Can someone explain to me our strategy?

[Elias]

Not ragging on Mac just yet but it seems to me like we are very keen to retaining our free agents but we are letting them test the market. Not sure how that is ever a good idea with so many teams with a lot more cap money than we have.

These are the people we want to retain:

Demario Davis
Erin Henderson
Snacks
Fitz

Here's the latest example:

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[Mainejet]

I am beginning to wonder what the hell the Jets are doing? This is becoming a little worrisome. I always thought the best move the Jets could make this offseason was to tag and trade Mo and that would allow them to resign any other FA they wanted to resign. Because we were not going to be able to retain all of them.

Now it seems like they are letting all of them go? Snacks, Fitz, and Powell I thought were virtual locks to come back. In stead, we have a hole bunch of greedy a$$holes trying to rob the team to the point we might have to start from scratch. And make no mistake about it, if we lose Snacks, Fitz, and Powell? We will absolutely take several steps back in 2016. We will not even make the playoffs, GUARANTEED. Regardless os what we do in the draft.

 

[McJet]

I'd imagine all these league sources are agents trying to drum up interest for their clients.
Snacks and such are all going to say the right things about wanting to come back but in the end their agents will steer them to FA and go to the team that offers top dollar.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Not ragging on Mac just yet but it seems to me like we are very keen to retaining our free agents but we are letting them test the market. Not sure how that is ever a good idea with so many teams with a lot more cap money than we have.

These are the people we want to retain:

Demario Davis
Erin Henderson
Snacks
Fitz

Here's the latest example:

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From reading the latest numbers, it looks like we've only got around 6 million in cap space. Im surprised that Brick hasnt agreed to restructure yet. That would certainly free up some money. I really hope we don't get into a stare down with him and his agent. Other than Fitzpatrick, all the names you've mentioned have been reported to have interest from several teams. That's not surprising. Most teams with lots of cap space are trying to find fixes at those positions. Erin Henderson was a decent player last year, but I'll hardly be crying over losing him. I'm shocked that we're interested in bringing Demario Davis back. He's a liability in coverage and didn't have a very good year last season.

The Jets were not going to be capable of retaining all of their players. We all knew that. If Snacks gets an insane offer somewhere else, we should be resigned to the fact that we will probably lose him. That's not Maccagnan's fault. That's the nature of the business. You don't pay guys ridiculous money who aren't three down players.

Tis the season for overpaying free agents and ruining your future cap space.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I am beginning to wonder what the hell the Jets are doing? This is becoming a little worrisome. I always thought the best move the Jets could make this offseason was to tag and trade Mo and that would allow them to resign any other FA they wanted to resign. Because we were not going to be able to retain all of them.

Now it seems like they are letting all of them go? Snacks, Fitz, and Powell I thought were virtual locks to come back. In stead, we have a hole bunch of greedy a$$holes trying to rob the team to the point we might have to start from scratch. And make no mistake about it, if we lose Snacks, Fitz, and Powell? We will absolutely take several steps back in 2016. We will not even make the playoffs, GUARANTEED. Regardless os what we do in the draft.

Tagging Mo is the easy part. Trading him is the issue. Nobody giving a 1st round pick for a huge contract and a broken leg. And maybe we need to take a few steps back and get much younger. Fitz had his best season he is capable of and still couldn't win the game he had to. Fitz, Mo and Snacks want way more than they are worth and we don't have enough money. Snacks would be a loss but we need to find gas to get after the QB. Snacks is a luxury at this point. I like that Mac is looking to get younger and cheaper. I will let it play out.

 

[jetgreen13]

excellent thread E.. one i would recommend sticky-ing at least until we get a better idea what the hell mac's game plan is.. because potentially letting most/all of your "valued" UFA's get picked off is not a game plan, it's career suicide..

for the record, i have absolutely no idea what's going on the surface but there simply has to be a game plan we have not been made aware of yet..

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

We have a LT that isn't worth the money. A QB that is only worth backup money. Mo needs a new contract to lower cap or trade him. A declining CB making top dollar. A RB that faded so he is easily replaced. Everyone just needs to let this play out and see where we are. Lots of holes were covered up by the Jets beating an awful schedule. People should really evaluate let season and realize it was just a fun run not a stepping stone. This team has to get younger and cheaper.

 

[isired]

I think letting Fitz test the market is OK - there are only a few potential "win now" suitors, and each of them has their downsides, with the exception of Denver if Osweiler chases the money elsewhere. If Den/Os gets done, I don't see him leaving.

As for the others, we'd like to keep Powell and Henderson, but they're not irreplaceable. Snacks, I'm afraid, is a luxury we can't afford without doing a deal with Mo. He's the one big loss.

And as far as 'taking a step back' if we don't resign them, we're taking a step back even if we do resign them and don't improve significantly somewhere - we're playing a tougher schedule with an older roster.

 

[jetgreen13]

I think letting Fitz test the market is OK - there are only a few potential "win now" suitors, and each of them has their downsides, with the exception of Denver if Osweiler chases the money elsewhere. If Den/Os gets done, I don't see him leaving.

As for the others, we'd like to keep Powell and Henderson, but they're not irreplaceable. Snacks, I'm afraid, is a luxury we can't afford without doing a deal with Mo. He's the one big loss.

And as far as 'taking a step back' if we don't resign them, we're taking a step back even if we do resign them and don't improve significantly somewhere - we're playing a tougher schedule with an older roster.

i'm quite sure we're all in agreement that keeping all the guys we want to keep was never going to happen.. hell, perhaps that ends up being a good thing.. but potentially losing fitzpatrick, wilkerson & harrison?? i understand we are being strangled by the cap but like brick said in this thread, where are the restructuring of contracts??

oh, & we only have 6 draft picks to speak of com april.. at least at this point anyway..

this should end up being a very interesting thread.....

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

They need to trade Mo. He is not worth Malik Jackson money at 6yr/$90M.

 

[jetgreen13]

They need to trade Mo. He is not worth Malik Jackson money at 6yr/$90M.

before or after we start losing UFA's??

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

before or after we start losing UFA's??

We don't have any money so unless we start cutting players like Brick then we probably won't have much to spend.


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[Mugatu]

You guys are gonna just wrap your head around the fact that elite players are going to get paid. If we want to keep our elite players they are going to have to be paid. You can't use contracts of yesteryear to determine value with the massive increase in the salary cap.

There's always a bigger contract coming down the pipe, it's a sure thing....like death and taxes.

This ever increasing cap makes deals more affordable as a contact matures IF you're paying younger stars (like Mo).

 

[jetgreen13]

We don't have any money so unless we start cutting players like Brick then we probably won't have much to spend.


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just looked up ferguson's '16 contract details..

apparently he's scheduled to make 8.6 million.. that's clearly not going to happen but here's what i found that was interesting.. he would recoup just over 3 million with a "restructuring bonus" if he does rework his deal.. how/why hasn't this happened yet?? because if cut, ferguson would be a 14 million dollar cap hit.. so that ain't happening either..

found these numbers at spotrac.. how accurate they are, i have no idea..

 

[gmf1369]

2017 we are going to have some nice compensatory picks... :global (31):

 

[isired]

i'm quite sure we're all in agreement that keeping all the guys we want to keep was never going to happen.. hell, perhaps that ends up being a good thing.. but potentially losing fitzpatrick, wilkerson & harrison?? i understand we are being strangled by the cap but like brick said in this thread, where are the restructuring of contracts??

oh, & we only have 6 draft picks to speak of com april.. at least at this point anyway..

this should end up being a very interesting thread.....

Well, no, that's not what I'm saying, and losing all 3 is very unlikely, no?

I don't think we're losing Fitz. I think once Denver gets Osweiler done, there's no real market. The Texans are the only other one that makes sense, and I don't see the same regime looking to make the same 'mistake' twice. Besides, O'Brien said he wasn't smart enough to run his offense, so I'm sure Fitz isn't too happy to run back there anyway.

And we're not losing Mo unless we trade him, right? And if we trade him we probably don't lose anybody else that we don't want to. Admittedly, we're probably late unless something comes out of the blue, so we're probably keeping Mo and losing Snacks.

 

[gmf1369]

Well, no, that's not what I'm saying, and losing all 3 is very unlikely, no?

I don't think we're losing Fitz. I think once Denver gets Osweiler done, there's no real market. The Texans are the only other one that makes sense, and I don't see the same regime looking to make the same 'mistake' twice. Besides, O'Brien said he wasn't smart enough to run his offense, so I'm sure Fitz isn't too happy to run back there anyway.

And we're not losing Mo unless we trade him, right? And if we trade him we probably don't lose anybody else that we don't want to. Admittedly, we're probably late unless something comes out of the blue, so we're probably keeping Mo and losing Snacks.

no guarantees that Osweiler signs with Denver, there is a chance he goes to Texans...
Foles from Rams to Browns, opens the door for the Rams needing a QB...
If Denver loses Osweiler they will be looking for a competent veteran, and Fitz could be that guy...

I truly believe the front office is more structured with a plan that will add players to fit our current core rather than just signing name brands to fill the media market here in New York...

 

[Pattycakes]

Mo will be on the team this year. NO ONE is going to take on his $15.7M plus give up two first round picks. It's not going to happen.

I'm getting worried, too. I'm hoping that much of what's going on with Fitz is posturing. I just don't understand why he would leave to chase a few extra million at this point in his career. We're going to be in a world of hurt if he does end up elsewhere.

I'm resigned to losing Harrison and Ivory at this point. With where we are at you can't break the bank for either of them, though I'd hate to see Harrison leave.

I really would like to see Powell stay, he was pretty explosive this past year.

We will have to wait it out, but i agree we appear to be a boat without a paddle currently.

 

[isired]

no guarantees that Osweiler signs with Denver, there is a chance he goes to Texans...
Foles from Rams to Browns, opens the door for the Rams needing a QB...
If Denver loses Osweiler they will be looking for a competent veteran, and Fitz could be that guy...

I truly believe the front office is more structured with a plan that will add players to fit our current core rather than just signing name brands to fill the media market here in New York...

I know, and Denver is my biggest (really only) concern. It makes perfect sense for both sides. I don't see Fitz going to get his ass kicked in LA behind a crap OLine with no WR talent and a new first time OC.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Not ragging on Mac just yet but it seems to me like we are very keen to retaining our free agents but we are letting them test the market. Not sure how that is ever a good idea with so many teams with a lot more cap money than we have.

These are the people we want to retain:

Demario Davis
Erin Henderson
Snacks
Fitz

Here's the latest example:

[TWEET]707241653896142848[/TWEET]

The way to protect your cap is by not overspending on non elite players. If you can retain them at a fair price, fine, but if another team wants to overpay them, you have to let them walk. Thats how all of the smart franchises operate.

THAT SAID:

Demario Davis is JAG (Just Another Guy), if he leaves, so be it.

Ditto Erin Henderson, I'd like to keep him at a reasonable price, otherwise let him walk.

Snacks is a first rate NT and this is the one I'd really love to keep, but you have to be careful about overpaying someone who has already outlived his shelf life. There's a reason why he went undrafted and it wasn't talent, scouts knew he was good, and it wasn't his small school status, scouts were quite aware of him and his upside. It was because he had multiple knee surgeries (both knees) and teams feared the stress that so much weight would put on his knees, and they didn't see him lasting too long before it became an issue. I doubt any of them thought he would last as long as he already has without serious knee issues, so thats good, but that also means he's living on borrowed time. I still want him back, but you have to be careful about the dollars and years.

As for Fitzy, I'd like him back too, but I don't want to overpay someone who is coming off a career year. I also don't anticipate him ever getting as lucky as he did this year with the weather. Until the last game (where he stunk), he didn't play in a bad weather game all year, at home or away, and thats always been the knock on him, not enough arm to excel in bad conditions. Again, he's another guy I would like to have back at the right price, but I commend Mac for not overpaying.