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interesting take on fitz from espn (not cimini)

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page...-new-qb-ryan-fitzpatrick-great-value-jets-nfl

Ryan Fitzpatrick could be a short-term steal for the Jets

Mike Sando, NFL Insider

The New York Jets rank 30th in passer rating and 29th in Total QBR over the past five seasons, counting playoffs. And an ugly situation became downright bizarre two weeks ago when a teammate slugged projected starter Geno Smith, leaving the third-year pro with a broken jaw.

Analysts correctly pointed out that Smith's unfortunate injury probably actually upgraded the team's quarterback situation by pushing veteran Ryan Fitzpatrick into the starting lineup. That line of thinking said more about Smith's futility -- he was 32nd and last among NFL starters when ESPN surveyed 35 coaches and personnel evaluators -- than it said about Fitzpatrick's excellence. But in the wacky world of NFL economics, Fitzpatrick has to rank among the great values in the league this season. The evidence suggests he's a player the Jets can win with as long as their defense returns to the form it showed before the past couple of seasons.

As the chart shows, Fitzpatrick's production over the past five seasons lines up almost exactly with the production over the same span for veteran starters playing on much more expensive contracts. Jay Cutler, Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton average $16.87 million in annual salary compensation, compared to $3.625 million for Fitzpatrick, but there is virtually no difference between those players' production. All have completed about 61 percent of their passes. They have averaged right around 7.0 yards per pass attempt with roughly 100 touchdowns and 72 interceptions. Their passer ratings are in the low 80s. Their Total QBR scores are right around 50, the level associated with average play.

SINCE 2010JAY CUTLERCARSON PALMERANDY DALTONRYAN FITZPATRICK
Comp1,3131,4091,3711,328
Att2,1382,2752,2342,177
Pct.61.4%61.9%61.4%61.0%
Yards15,41316,64115,47615,169
Yards/Att7.27.36.97.0
TDs10496100102
INTs68757274
TD/INT1.51.31.41.4
Passer Rating86.384.583.683.4
QBR51.950.148.746.9
Avg. Pay$18,100,000$16,500,000$16,000,000$3,625,000

Cutler and Palmer have first-round draft pedigrees. They're more gifted than the other two from a physical standpoint, and sometimes that translates to the field. But the way a quarterback is perceived often has much to do with the team around him. Middling quarterbacks paired with elite defenses will win games and sign contracts worth more than $15 million per season. Cutler, Palmer and Dalton prove that point.

Palmer in particular has played at a higher level recently, ranking ninth in QBR (67.6) since Week 8 of the 2013 season. He has a 13-2 starting record over that span. Why the change? Palmer is talented, for one, but there is more to the equation. Team situations matter greatly for quarterbacks. Palmer has gone from playing in a terribly dysfunctional environment (Oakland in 2011-12) to playing in Arizona for Bruce Arians, one of the game's top offensive coaches. The Cardinals have ranked fifth in defensive expected points added (EPA) during that 13-2 starting streak for Palmer (the Raiders' defense was 31st when Palmer was in Oakland).

Cutler posted a 27-13 starting record with the Chicago Bears from 2010 to 2012 despite ranking 16th in QBR at 47.9 over that span. The key? The Bears' defense ranked first in EPA across those three seasons. Dalton has a 40-23-1 starting record since 2011 despite ranking 22nd in QBR at 50.8. Defense is the key variable once again as the Bengals have ranked third in defensive EPA over that span.

Until last season, when Fitzpatrick posted a 6-6 starting record with Houston, he had always played for teams with among the worst defenses in the league. Using EPA per start, only Tony Romo has received less defensive support per start than Fitzpatrick has received since 2010 among the 26 quarterbacks with at least 40 qualifying starts. With so little help, is it any wonder Romo has been known more for spectacular failures than for ranking among the statistical leaders at the position?

Similarly, with so little help, is it any wonder Fitzpatrick's recent teams -- Buffalo and Tennessee in particular -- were so eager to part with him? The Bills and Titans have only gotten worse at the position since Fitzpatrick moved on. Without question, the Texans will have a hard time improving upon the 95.3 passer rating and 56.7 QBR score Fitzpatrick posted for them last season.

As if on cue, Fitzpatrick is joining a defense that ranked as one of the NFL's worst last season. The Jets ranked 25th in defensive EPA and 29th in QBR allowed (68.4). They gave up 31 touchdown passes, the third-highest total in the league. They picked off six passes, which tied for the league low. But after signing cornerback Darrelle Revis as part of a defensive overhaul this offseason, the Jets could have the talent to improve significantly on that side of the ball, with improvements in the secondary and up front. And if that happens, Fitzpatrick could become a winning quarterback without performing at a dramatically higher level than he has achieved over the past five seasons
I believe the eloquently sums up what I expect out of this year. As I've said, geno is considered the worst starting qb in the nfl, and some fans have turned hoping geno turned it around this year, into assuming he was going to suddenly going to learn how to be a qb just because.

If our starter has to go down, we are lucky to be in the position we are in. Look at ne...

Fitz has near zero reps with the starters. Our receivers have devoted themselves to learning chemistry with geno, to suddenly have to start over with Fitz (may be a none issue, but could be demoralizing. ) and he's recovering from having a broken leg and related muscular atrophy /rust.

Fitz is a great backup for us. Either he proves himself, or we go a couple weeks until geno comes back just like any other team. Petty has now benefited from getting lots of second team reps.



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The most alarming thing I saw last night was Fitzpatrick's reluctance to go down the field, or perhaps it was Bowles and Gailey recognizing his limitations (that chicken-wing he calls an arm) and reacting accordingly.

Even scarier, from my observation he threw ONE intermediate route to Brandon Marshall, about a 20 Yard Button-Hook at the left hash, and the pass literally died before it got there. It traveled about 18 Yards and BAM!!, it fell like it was shot, resulting in an incomplete pass that hit the ground before it reached Marshall who was open and should have secured a first down. I believe thats how the series ended in yet another 3 and Out.

We can't have it, you can't win games in this league if your QB can't even drill a 20 Yard Button-Hook at the hash. I understand that he can't throw the deep out and that in itself is a huge problem. If you can't make a defense cover the whole field in this league, particularly the better defenses, they will game-plan accordingly and eat your lunch. You can at least be competitive verses poor to mediocre defenses, so long as you can make all of the throws between the hash marks including a deep post, but if you can't even do that on passes beyond 20 Yards, you might as well not even play the games.

Honestly, you would be better off starting a "not ready for primetime" Bryce Petty and going strictly to a shotgun spread offense like he ran at Baylor. Thats why he looked pretty good last night. Gailey essentially put him in the spread on 80% of the snaps, other than designed runs between the tackles, but you don't want to telegraph your offense like that in the regular season and you can design runs from the shotgun, so just put him in the spread and let him stay in his comfort zone, and live with the inevitable growing pains.

I know its not ideal, trust me, I KNOW THAT, I spent a lot of time pointing out that I like Petty's potential, but he's not ready for the NFL, his rookie year needs to be viewed by the team and fans as a quasi redshirt year, then if all else fails and you want to get him some real game experience late in a lost season, that would be fine, at that point you have nothing to lose and it might be helpful to at least get him a taste of the NFL and the speed of the game on Sunday's.

That was my position from the outset, even while I was lobbying for Petty in the draft, but that was before Geno had his jaw broken and before I saw a 20 Yard Button-Hook DIE at about 18 Yards, and he wasn't even pressured on the throw, its not like he was throwing off his back foot, he was able to plant and throw it and still he didn't have enough arm to get it there. And please lets not pretend that I'm basing all of this on one throw. I'm not and you know that I'm not. I'm just using this one throw to exhibit what we've all known to begin with, Fitzpatrick's main problem is his lack of arm strength, only even his harshest critics never imagined that would also pertain to intermediate routes between the hashes.

The other thing you have to be concerned about, as I eluded too at the beginning, is his penchant to checkdown to the underneath routes, play after play after play. If I saw it once last night (last week too), I saw it a million times. He was getting the time to set up in the pocket and make some throws downfield, and you could see him looking downfield, but you could also see his reluctance to pull the trigger, then turning his attention to the underneath safety valve. The Jets beat guys are noticing it too. One reporter is already calling him "Captain Checkdown", and thats not good.

Anyway, if the alternative is Fitzpatrick, I seriously have to consider designing the offense to fit Petty's skill set and comfort zone, then letting the kid go out there and wing it. For sure we'll make a lot more mistakes, but it won't be boring and at least the kid can force defenses to defend the whole field, and he will score points in his offense. If Gailey essentially gives him a variation of the Baylor offense to run, he will score points.

Everyone mocks the check down. I get it. But the last guy to do that was chad Pennington. You put chad on one of those Sanchez run teams we make the Super Bowl and possibly win it with that defense. I'll take 63% completion any day of the week over 57% and turnovers
 
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Everyone mocks the check down. I get it. But the last guy to do that was chad Pennington. You put chad on one of those Sanchez run teams we make the Super Bowl and possibly win it with that defense. I'll take 63% completion any day of the week over 57% and turnovers

Not sure about that, The D didn't play all that well in those games. But I never really had a problem with Pennington other then he was made of glasss
 
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Give me Captain Checkdown any day over Captain PickSix and Behind the Back Fumble
 

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Everyone mocks the check down. I get it. But the last guy to do that was chad Pennington. You put chad on one of those Sanchez run teams we make the Super Bowl and possibly win it with that defense. I'll take 63% completion any day of the week over 57% and turnovers
USA, I love Chad as much as the next guy, class act and he had all of the intangibles you could ever hope for in a QB, sadly he wasn't blessed with much of an arm and after his first torn rotator cuff his arm strength went from slightly below average to well below average. If he never got hurt do I believe he could have taken us to the Super Bowl on those Sanchez led teams? YES, but I can't say that with confidence because even before he got hurt he would tend to struggle verses some of the better defenses, defenses that can really capitalize on a QB who doesn't force them to defend the whole field, but after he blew up his shoulder it was even more glaring. He was still good enough to get by on savvy and heart, two things he always had in abundance, but he didn't have the tools to get a team to the SB, which normally requires beating an elite defense or two along the way.
 

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If they're calling your QB "Captain Checkdown", and its not a case of the NY media just being snarky as usual, but it actually applies and you know it applies, your team is in a lot of trouble.

Thats why I'm advocating Petty, even knowing Petty is not ready.

I'd rather have a not ready Petty in a variation of the Baylor spread, than Captain Checkdown putting Jets fans to sleep.
and that will be the quickest way to destroy Petty's confidence. :id-hit-it-banana-sm
 

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The veteran quarterback is entering his 11th season in the NFL, after signing for his sixth team during the offseason. Fitzpatrick was signed to be Geno Smith's backup for the New York Jets, reuniting with former offensive coordinator Chan Gailey. An untimely injury to Geno Smith then inserted Fitzpatrick into the starting lineup. Generally when a team goes from its decided-upon starter to a newly acquired backup who has been in the league for more a decade, it is seen as a major negative. Because of Geno Smith's slow start to his career and Fitzpatrick's relatively strong standing for a backup, that is not the case here.
There were widespread examples of pieces suggesting that Fitzpatrick would be an improvement over Smith after the young quarterback broke his jaw. Most of that optimism was based around the idea that Fitzpatrick is a competent, established player while Smith has already proven to be too flawed to start at this level. This despite Smith being just 24 years of age while Fitzpatrick is on the wrong side of 30. Fitzpatrick's statistical output over his career is unspectacular, but it doesn't raise alarm bells about his quality. He has completed 60.2 percent of his passes while averaging 6.6 yards per attempt. His touchdown-to-interception ratio is an acceptable 123:101, while he has added 11 rushing touchdowns with 54 total fumbles. In comparison, Smith has completed just 57.5 percent of his passes for 6.9 yards per attempt with 32 total touchdowns and 34 interceptions, plus 16 fumbles.

(Ed. Note: I should add Football Outsiders to the list of websites suggesting that going from Smith to Fitzpatrick would be a small improvement. In FOA 2015, we projected Smith with -15.8% passing DVOA this season, and Fitzpatrick with -8.7% passing DVOA: still below average, but an improvement. -- Aaron Schatz)

Statistically, Smith is worse than Fitzpatrick. Yet, their play on the field hasn't been that different. Smith is still at an early stage of his career and has played with awful supporting casts to this point. Fitzpatrick is past his prime and has played with various levels of support over his career. Last season was statistically his most impressive. He completed 63.1 percent of his passes for 8.0 yards per attempt, both career highs. His touchdown-to-interception ratio was better than ever before as he threw 17 touchdowns with just eight interceptions. Those numbers suggest that Fitzpatrick was the game-managing option the Houston Texans hoped he would be when they named him their starting quarterback. Unfortunately, those numbers only help to paint the mirage that Fitzpatrick has become.

Fitzpatrick only played in 12 games for the Texans last year. He was injured late in the year, but had been benched previously for poor performance. Fitzpatrick's numbers remained impressive, but largely for reasons out of his control.

The Texans had a run-first offense based around the talents of Arian Foster. Therefore, Fitzpatrick only threw 312 passes in 12 games. Just eight of those 312 passes were caught by an opposing defender in bounds, but Fitzpatrick could have thrown many more interceptions. Football Outsiders game charting lists Fitzpatrick with 13 adjusted interceptions thanks to five possible picks dropped by defenders. My own Interceptable Passes project, an even more detailed charting of possible picks (with less strict definitions for "possible interceptions"), assigned 18 interceptions to Fitzpatrick last season, with just two of his caught interceptions being deemed someone else's fault. Some of those were caught, but most weren't. The Interceptable Passes project was designed to isolate the actions of the quarterback and recognize opportunities when he threw passes that were likely to be intercepted because of his actions. It wasn't because of anything Fitzpatrick did that defenders kept dropping or misreading the flight of bad passes he threw, nor should he be forgiven when his two dominant talents at wide receiver -- DeAndre Hopkins and Andre Johnson -- pull inaccurate passes away from waiting defenders.

The Texans starter finished as one of the worst players tracked in that project. He shared a tier with Andy Dalton and Derek Carr, ranking above just four of the 31 charted quarterbacks. Geno Smith ranked five spots higher than Fitzpatrick and was dramatically better over the second half of his season than he was the first.
Fitzpatrick was the same turnover-prone player he has been throughout his career; luck and a talented supporting cast simply conspired to keep his official interception tally low.

Despite what his reputation suggests, Fitzpatrick is one of the least intelligent quarterbacks to have seen the field during the regular season over recent years. His Harvard education, though often pointed to, carries little applicable value. Not until Harvard revamps its class structure to let students knock each other out while trying to read a blackboard with NFL coverages on it from 20 yards away will any form of that academic education become relevant to being an effective quarterback. What is relevant is what Fitzpatrick has repeatedly done throughout his career: make bad decisions on the field.

Fitzpatrick predetermines decisions and has major problems with timing. He lacks poise in the pocket, so he doesn't understand when to get rid of the ball against pressure or when he needs to hold it in a clean pocket. He can't effectively read a progression on a regular basis. He does move his eyes from receiver to receiver on occasion, but he doesn't actually see the field well. He looks for receivers without recognizing that they are open or about to come open. Often he just cycles through his targets before checking the ball down or forcing it into a receiver who isn't open.

These issues are all prevalent on his interceptions and interceptable passes, particularly those that deal with reacting to pressure. However, they also permeate through the rest of his play.


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Take the above play for example. It's third-and-9 on the Pittsburgh Steelers' 28-yard line. The Steelers essentially rush just three players because their fourth rusher coming from the top of the screen is caught in traffic initially. Fitzpatrick has as much time as he could want in the pocket. He looks to the right initially, before frenetically bringing his eyes back to the middle of the field and bouncing them back into the right flat to find Arian Foster. He checks down to Foster, who is well covered just 2 yards downfield. Fitzpatrick had a huge amount of time in the pocket to survey the defense without even resetting his feet. He could have manipulated the defense to create space for one of his receivers or simply let the receiver's routes develop before dropping his eyes to Foster.

The route combinations to the top of the screen could have resulted in a touchdown or a first down if given the chance to develop, while there was a tight end running towards the seam close to where Foster had drawn a linebacker into the flat. Fitzpatrick didn't use the time afforded to him to locate or work an opening in the defense. He immediately gave up on any potential first down to settle for a field goal.

Although this play doesn't stand out as obviously awful like a bad turnover does, it's the kind of play that can destroy an offense when it's repeated so often. Fitzpatrick offered another example of his inability to function effectively from the pocket against the Atlanta Falcons last week.

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It was third-and-9 inside Jets territory. Fitzpatrick had plenty of time and space when he got to the top of his drop. His eyes had immediately focused on the right side of the field, where Brandon Marshall was running a deep curl route from the slot and Bilal Powell was running underneath him from the outside on an in route. At this point of the play, it is blatantly obvious that Marshall won't be open at any point. He has three defenders who have been drawn towards him, leaving Powell alone underneath. Throwing short of the first-down marker on third down isn't always advisable, but in this situation an accurate, simple throw would give Powell a chance to run to the space over the middle of the field and possibly get a first down.



Waiting for Marshall to come open invited pressure upfront, which then forced Fitzpatrick to drop his eyes and scramble. He ran for 3 yards and never had a chance of even getting close to the first-down marker. The offense was forced to punt the ball away.
This is what makes Fitzpatrick a mirage. He avoids the big mistake often enough to make him seem appealing, but all the time he is systematically destroying your offense by not executing simple reads. He is essentially a worse version of Alex Smith, another quarterback who doesn't understand the need to be more adventurous with the ball for his offense to function properly.


Fitzpatrick's lack of timing and field awareness is compounded by his porous arm talent.

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This chart tracks every pass Fitzpatrick threw last season that wasn't intentionally thrown away or tipped at the line of scrimmage. His completion percentage last year was 63.1 percent, but his accuracy percentage was 66.9 percent, as there are 207 accurate passes and 102 inaccurate passes on the above chart. Fitzpatrick obviously had accurate throws that were dropped by his receivers, but the difference between his actual completion percentage and his accuracy percentage suggest that his receivers were routinely bailing him out on inaccurate throws. No receiver did that more than DeAndre Hopkins, a receiver who established himself as one of the very best in the NFL last season.


Hopkins only had 76 receptions for 1,210 yards and six touchdowns, but it doesn't take long watching him to realize he could have had huge numbers if given even average service from his quarterback. At 6-foot-1 and 218 pounds, Hopkins isn't huge when compared to other top NFL receivers. He does offer his quarterback a huge catch radius though, one that extends around his whole body and is fluid enough to quickly adjust to poorly placed passes. Hopkins has exceptional strength in his grip to not only catch the ball away from his body, but do so against tight coverage before absorbing any hits or knocks to maintain possession of the ball to the ground. On numerous occasions last year, Fitzpatrick could essentially just throw the ball up for grabs and expect Hopkins to dominate the defensive back covering him to come down with the ball. Hopkins offered Fitzpatrick a huge margin for error on back-shoulder throws in particular.

As the above play shows, Fitzpatrick sometimes tested just how far he could stretch that margin for error. This throw against the Philadelphia Eagles favored the cornerback much more than the receiver. The cornerback never got an opportunity to play the ball because he couldn't turn his head while playing aggressive coverage against Hopkins. Even though Hopkins was expecting to reach back for the ball, he instead had to reach through the defensive back to pull the ball in from above his head. This pass was catchable, but inaccurate. It's the type of throw that Fitzpatrick makes to every level of the field with incredible consistency.


Hopkins' exceptional ability to play the ball downfield was repeatedly shown off last year. Fitzpatrick's completion percentage on 20-plus-yard throws was the highest in the NFL, but nine of his 17 completions came on just 13 attempts to Hopkins.

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Hopkins created huge passing windows on back-shoulder throws, plucked the ball out of the air when defensive backs had more favorable positions, and even ran outstanding routes to put himself in vast amounts of space, all of which elevated Fitzpatrick's production despite the quarterback's constant poor ball placement on downfield throws. Throwing downfield to other receivers on the roster was a major challenge. That was even so for Andre Johnson who struggled to win at the catch point because of Fitzpatrick's lack of timing and ball placement.


Hopkins and Johnson are both amongst the best accuracy-boosting receivers in the NFL. Both players have exceptional strength, fluidity, and awareness at the catch point to dominate defensive backs, but they can also create separation and run precise routes to always be open when they're supposed to be open. In Eric Decker and Brandon Marshall, the Jets have one player with that kind of talent who is on the back end of his career, and one player who is too rigid in his skill set to be that effective.


Poor ball placement downfield puts a huge amount of stress on receivers, but poor ball placement on shorter throws is even worse.




Most offenses don't call downfield shots that often, so the passing game is primarily built on short and intermediate throws. Chan Gailey isn't likely to ask Fitzpatrick to push the ball downfield a huge amount in New York this season. Fitzpatrick's issue is that his ball placement is a constant problem, not just a result of his lack of arm strength on deeper passes. The Texans ranked 28th in the NFL in yards after the catch last year. Fitzpatrick's inability to place the ball correctly even on throws as simple as screen passes played a huge role in that low ranking. The above gif is a great example of how his inaccuracy cost his receivers opportunities.




Fitzpatrick continues to get opportunities in the NFL, even if just as a backup, because of how he fails. How you fail as a quarterback in the NFL is very important to coaches. If you stick to the design of the play and play from the pocket but simply can't execute the way you need to, you are much more likely to hang around a team over a player who stands out more as an individual but relies more on his creativity than the coach's creativity. Furthermore, if you have consistent subtle failures instead of less regular major failures, you will be viewed more favorably from a distance. That is where Fitzpatrick falls.


While Geno Smith isn't a high bar to clear, he was still a developing young quarterback who had finished both of his seasons in the NFL playing with consistency and precision. Fitzpatrick is the opposite of that. He has long since proven who he is at this level. There aren't 32 quality quarterbacks to start in today's NFL and he's not one of the exceptions.


No matter how much you can make him look like one.
 

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The above article is from Football Outsiders. Long read but good read. Doesnt give Fitzpatrick a glowing recommendation...
 
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Good article IMO until the last paragraph where they called Punchy, statistically the worst starting QB in the NFL a "developing young QB" once again based on the mirage of two defacto meaningless scrimmages in Miami.

If Fitzpatrick saves the Jets from a third year of such "development", god bless him
 

Elias

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Good article IMO until the last paragraph where they called Punchy, statistically the worst starting QB in the NFL a "developing young QB" once again based on the mirage of two defacto meaningless scrimmages in Miami.

If Fitzpatrick saves the Jets from a third year of such "development", god bless him

i think the stance of the article is the same exact one that I have. We know what we have in Fitzpatrick and he isn't much better than Geno so stick with Geno who has a .01% of actually developing into something. The early bye week would have helped us tremendously and made all parties happy. We would have see Geno start and if he sucked replaced early by Fitz. Now the opposite may happen. We'll see. Maybe this scenario relieves some pressure from Geno and he can play the way he played in the meaningless two games at the end of the seaso.
 
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Very interesting, thanks for that.

I'm sure it's true, and goes a long way to explaining why Fitz is not elite, but is very much average.

But, can't most of this kind of information be shown for the other bottom 12-14 qb's in the league?
If they are all average or worse, aren't there similar reasons why they all fall into that category?

This information explains exactly why he is considered to be average or worse, but the same detail can be generated for the other dozen or so 'average' quarterbacks.

If anyone here believes that Fitz is 'the man', this information surely debunks that belief. But for the other 99.9% of us, this explains why he is average - it doesn't push him down in our estimation. We already know he's average at best...
 

Elias

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Very interesting, thanks for that.

I'm sure it's true, and goes a long way to explaining why Fitz is not elite, but is very much average.

But, can't most of this kind of information be shown for the other bottom 12-14 qb's in the league?
If they are all average or worse, aren't there similar reasons why they all fall into that category?

This information explains exactly why he is considered to be average or worse, but the same detail can be generated for the other dozen or so 'average' quarterbacks.

If anyone here believes that Fitz is 'the man', this information surely debunks that belief. But for the other 99.9% of us, this explains why he is average - it doesn't push him down in our estimation. We already know he's average at best...

Fair point but there are a few people out there that believe Fitz is a huge upgrade over Geno. This article shows that he isn't.
 
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Very interesting, thanks for that.

I'm sure it's true, and goes a long way to explaining why Fitz is not elite, but is very much average.

But, can't most of this kind of information be shown for the other bottom 12-14 qb's in the league?
If they are all average or worse, aren't there similar reasons why they all fall into that category?

This information explains exactly why he is considered to be average or worse, but the same detail can be generated for the other dozen or so 'average' quarterbacks.

If anyone here believes that Fitz is 'the man', this information surely debunks that belief. But for the other 99.9% of us, this explains why he is average - it doesn't push him down in our estimation. We already know he's average at best...

Agree.

Everyone knows Fitz is a place holder until the Jets get a long term QB here. Hopefully it's Petty.

Fitz is still the best QB on the team right now. IMO the Jets can make the play-offs with him. He won't win many games in the 4th quater when their trailing by 20, but he won't give many games away either. If the rest of the team plays as advertised.

If we are calling "average the 18-14 best QB in the league, it beats the heck out of 32nd QB
 

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Just hoping he can hold the fort. He's not the answer, and it really dims my excitement about the season. I don't think Geno was special, but I was at least looking forward to him taking another step. Sigh.
 
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Fair point but there are a few people out there that believe Fitz is a huge upgrade over Geno. This article shows that he isn't.
Not a huge upgrade but definitely an upgrade.

IMO we are talking about one season until Petty takes over and I'd definitely rather play that season with a guy ranked pretty much every season in the teens to 20 than a guy ranked in both his seasons in 31-36.

If we had a QB who could protect the football and play average for any of the last four seasons, we would have had four better seasons and certainly not be "the best 4 win team in the league"
 
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i think the stance of the article is the same exact one that I have. We know what we have in Fitzpatrick and he isn't much better than Geno so stick with Geno who has a .01% of actually developing into something. The early bye week would have helped us tremendously and made all parties happy. We would have see Geno start and if he sucked replaced early by Fitz. Now the opposite may happen. We'll see. Maybe this scenario relieves some pressure from Geno and he can play the way he played in the meaningless two games at the end of the seaso.

Our only disagreement, E is that after two abysmal seasons as the bottom QB in the NFL, many, maybe the majority of Jet fans strongly believe that Smith's chance of developing into something is 0.000000 or less
 

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If Geno does by some chance become the starter during the season, and plays well, there is going to be some MAJOR crow eating around here. And I'll be the first one checking in to hear all about it. I hope it happens just to see the hyper-spin from all of his biggest detractors. You can bet your backside that his teammates will get all the credit for anything good he does.

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