Chargers are taking calls for the #3 Pick

[Green Jets & Ham]

Lots of rumors out there that the Chargers are willing to deal the #3 Pick and they are listening to offers.

Well in that case, here's what I believe the Jets should offer ...

Swap of 1st RD Picks (20 for 3) and we give them Mo Wilkerson.

EXPLANATION

First the bookkeeping:

If you study the VALUE CHART you will see that the difference between #3 and #20 is 1350 Value Points. If you then research 1350 VP's you will see its the equivalent of the #9 Overall Pick in the draft, so its the equivalent of a TOP 10 Pick, therefore we have to give them a TOP 10 Pick to make this trade or the equivalent of a TOP 10 Pick, and IMO Mo Wilkerson meets that criteria, particularly at 26 and in his prime.

All you need to do is ask yourself the following question, if Mo Wilkerson could re-enter this draft would he be a TOP 10 Pick? I say absolutely.

So that clears up the bookkeeping, now to how this makes sense for the Chargers and Jets?

For the Chargers it makes sense because 3-4 DE is arguably their single biggest need when you study their depth chart. They currently have a black hole at LDE and Wilkerson is an All Pro caliber player at the position, just entering the prime of his career. So with this deal not only do they fill their biggest need with an elite young talent, but they also stay in the 1st RD to address a secondary need with another 1st RD talent. So for them this trade makes a great deal of sense.

But how does it make sense for the Jets?

With the sudden retirement of Brick and a crying need for an upgrade at RT too, there is little doubt that OT is our biggest need other than QB, preferably someone who can play some RT for now, as long as Clady stays healthy (BIG IF), but who has all of the tools to slide over to LT and be a legit franchise LT when necessary. Heck, I would even consider installing Tunsil at LT immediately and shifting Clady to RT, but either way, Tunsil locks down the LT position for the next decade with an elite, stud LT prospect.

As for dealing Wilkerson, lets face it, having drafted Leonard Williams a year ago, we would be trading from excess. We would also be avoiding a contentious hold-out scenario and/or the circus that follows such rancorous situations, and lastly we would be freeing up a ton of cap space having essentially swapped Wilkerson for Tunsil. It used to be that the #3 Pick was paid a fortune, but thats no longer the case, now its far more reasonable.

Anyway, thats my offer and thats my case for making it.

PS. In the unlikely event that one of the TOP 2 teams should throw everyone a curveball and take Tunsil or Ramsey, then one of the TOP 2 QB's falls to us at 3, so there's really no way to lose here. Either we walk away with a franchise LT for the next decade, or we walk away with a blue chip QB prospect.

 

[Jet Blast]

Ham, that is essentially a trade of TWO first round picks for Tunsil. No thank you.

 

[hobson54]

by position need, it may make sense for the chargers. but then they need to pay mo the contract mo is looking for. i'm not familiar with the chargers cap situation and all their roster needs, but the #3 pick in the draft last year got 4 years, $23.5 million fully-guaranteed. i'm thinking mo wants a lot more than that

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Hobson,

Granted thats the one aspect I didn't research, the Chargers cap situation.

Assuming it works for them financially, its what a trade is supposed to be, both teams fill big needs with elite players.

When I make hypothetical offers, I don't make unrealistic offers where the other team gets hosed, those deals rarely happen so its an exercise in futility. The Chargers are reportedly shopping the pick and I'm trying to make a realistic offer that works for both teams. This, if it works for them financially, is a realistic trade.

 

[hobson54]

Hobson,

Granted thats the one aspect I didn't research, the Chargers cap situation.

Assuming it works for them financially, its what a trade is supposed to be, both teams fill big needs with elite players.

When I make hypothetical offers, I don't make unrealistic offers where the other team gets hosed, those deals rarely happen so its an exercise in futility. The Chargers are reportedly shopping the pick and I'm trying to make a realistic offer that works for both teams. This, if it works for them financially, is a realistic trade.

according to overthecap, the chargers have $12.4 million in cap space left. not really enough to sign mo.

but leaving that aside, a larger point on any trade proposals involving mo is whether a team would want to add his contract (based on what we think he's asking for). if it were just based on talent, i'm sure a number of teams would want him (the jets included). but you need to find a team willing to give up assets AND pay a premium contract. and when one suggests trading him for a draft pick, you should consider whether a team (especially a team picking 3rd, meaning they weren't that good) would rather add a high priced veteran or a cost effective rookie as they lock to reshape their roster

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Lots of rumors out there that the Chargers are willing to deal the #3 Pick and they are listening to offers.

Well in that case, here's what I believe the Jets should offer ...

Swap of 1st RD Picks (20 for 3) and we give them Mo Wilkerson.

EXPLANATION

First the bookkeeping:

If you study the VALUE CHART you will see that the difference between #3 and #20 is 1350 Value Points. If you then research 1350 VP's you will see its the equivalent of the #9 Overall Pick in the draft, so its the equivalent of a TOP 10 Pick, therefore we have to give them a TOP 10 Pick to make this trade or the equivalent of a TOP 10 Pick, and IMO Mo Wilkerson meets that criteria, particularly at 26 and in his prime.

All you need to do is ask yourself the following question, if Mo Wilkerson could re-enter this draft would he be a TOP 10 Pick? I say absolutely.

So that clears up the bookkeeping, now to how this makes sense for the Chargers and Jets?

For the Chargers it makes sense because 3-4 DE is arguably their single biggest need when you study their depth chart. They currently have a black hole at LDE and Wilkerson is an All Pro caliber player at the position, just entering the prime of his career. So with this deal not only do they fill their biggest need with an elite young talent, but they also stay in the 1st RD to address a secondary need with another 1st RD talent. So for them this trade makes a great deal of sense.

But how does it make sense for the Jets?

With the sudden retirement of Brick and a crying need for an upgrade at RT too, there is little doubt that OT is our biggest need other than QB, preferably someone who can play some RT for now, as long as Clady stays healthy (BIG IF), but who has all of the tools to slide over to LT and be a legit franchise LT when necessary. Heck, I would even consider installing Tunsil at LT immediately and shifting Clady to RT, but either way, Tunsil locks down the LT position for the next decade with an elite, stud LT prospect.

As for dealing Wilkerson, lets face it, having drafted Leonard Williams a year ago, we would be trading from excess. We would also be avoiding a contentious hold-out scenario and/or the circus that follows such rancorous situations, and lastly we would be freeing up a ton of cap space having essentially swapped Wilkerson for Tunsil. It used to be that the #3 Pick was paid a fortune, but thats no longer the case, now its far more reasonable.

Anyway, thats my offer and thats my case for making it.

PS. In the unlikely event that one of the TOP 2 teams should throw everyone a curveball and take Tunsil or Ramsey, then one of the TOP 2 QB's falls to us at 3, so there's really no way to lose here. Either we walk away with a franchise LT for the next decade, or we walk away with a blue chip QB prospect.

Nice breakdown. But I think your scenario relies on a lot of stars aligning here. Most notably, SD wanting to pay Wilkerson. He's asking for big money, and probably overvaluing himself. If for whatever reason this type of trade did happen, I wouldn't want Tunsil. He's a nice prospect, but I believe Clady is going to lock down that left side for 3 years. I'd rather take Jalen Ramsey. He's one of the safest picks in this draft, and our CB's would be lockdown.

 

[Elias]

In my opinion our best bet to unload Mo would be with Tennessee. Trade him for two second rounders.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Nice breakdown. But I think your scenario relies on a lot of stars aligning here. Most notably, SD wanting to pay Wilkerson. He's asking for big money, and probably overvaluing himself. If for whatever reason this type of trade did happen, I wouldn't want Tunsil. He's a nice prospect, but I believe Clady is going to lock down that left side for 3 years. I'd rather take Jalen Ramsey. He's one of the safest picks in this draft, and our CB's would be lockdown.

Someone on another board I post at said the same thing, and its not a bad idea. I would take Tunsil, but I can definitely make an argument for Ramsey too. I wouldn't complain either way.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

In my opinion our best bet to unload Mo would be with Tennessee. Trade him for two second rounders.

I'll take that deal if we can get it.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Just get rid of Mo so we can move on.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Just get rid of Mo so we can move on.

Easier said than done. I'll be surprised if anyone will be willing to pay his asking price, especially in a very deep and talented defensive line draft.

We might have to watch him walk next year for nothing except a possible 3rd round comp pick.

 

[flgreen]

Lots of rumors out there that the Chargers are willing to deal the #3 Pick and they are listening to offers.

Well in that case, here's what I believe the Jets should offer ...

Swap of 1st RD Picks (20 for 3) and we give them Mo Wilkerson.

EXPLANATION

First the bookkeeping:

If you study the VALUE CHART you will see that the difference between #3 and #20 is 1350 Value Points. If you then research 1350 VP's you will see its the equivalent of the #9 Overall Pick in the draft, so its the equivalent of a TOP 10 Pick, therefore we have to give them a TOP 10 Pick to make this trade or the equivalent of a TOP 10 Pick, and IMO Mo Wilkerson meets that criteria, particularly at 26 and in his prime.

All you need to do is ask yourself the following question, if Mo Wilkerson could re-enter this draft would he be a TOP 10 Pick? I say absolutely.

So that clears up the bookkeeping, now to how this makes sense for the Chargers and Jets?

For the Chargers it makes sense because 3-4 DE is arguably their single biggest need when you study their depth chart. They currently have a black hole at LDE and Wilkerson is an All Pro caliber player at the position, just entering the prime of his career. So with this deal not only do they fill their biggest need with an elite young talent, but they also stay in the 1st RD to address a secondary need with another 1st RD talent. So for them this trade makes a great deal of sense.

But how does it make sense for the Jets?

With the sudden retirement of Brick and a crying need for an upgrade at RT too, there is little doubt that OT is our biggest need other than QB, preferably someone who can play some RT for now, as long as Clady stays healthy (BIG IF), but who has all of the tools to slide over to LT and be a legit franchise LT when necessary. Heck, I would even consider installing Tunsil at LT immediately and shifting Clady to RT, but either way, Tunsil locks down the LT position for the next decade with an elite, stud LT prospect.

As for dealing Wilkerson, lets face it, having drafted Leonard Williams a year ago, we would be trading from excess. We would also be avoiding a contentious hold-out scenario and/or the circus that follows such rancorous situations, and lastly we would be freeing up a ton of cap space having essentially swapped Wilkerson for Tunsil. It used to be that the #3 Pick was paid a fortune, but thats no longer the case, now its far more reasonable.

Anyway, thats my offer and thats my case for making it.

PS. In the unlikely event that one of the TOP 2 teams should throw everyone a curveball and take Tunsil or Ramsey, then one of the TOP 2 QB's falls to us at 3, so there's really no way to lose here. Either we walk away with a franchise LT for the next decade, or we walk away with a blue chip QB prospect.

At first thought you were going to take Lynch at 3.

Actually what you propose could work. The early QB's are gone. The crazy trade up prices should be gone to.

Tunsil just might be that good. I've seen several big boards that have him as the #1 player in the draft.

I wouldn't be unhappy if they did it

 

[flgreen]

Yeah, the fact that Mo is asking an outrageous amount of money, and won't negotiate, really muddies the waters for a Mo trade.

Got to say I really didn't expect this from him. He's a local kid that's close to his family. Then again I didn't expect it from Fitz. He moved his family here. He likes it here.

I guess when we start talking 5-6 M difference it changes things.

Thing is, no other teams seem over excited to pay them their price either...................Geez

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Yeah, the fact that Mo is asking an outrageous amount of money, and won't negotiate, really muddies the waters for a Mo trade.

Got to say I really didn't expect this from him. He's a local kid that's close to his family. Then again I didn't expect it from Fitz. He moved his family here. He likes it here.

I guess when we start talking 5-6 M difference it changes things.

Thing is, no other teams seem over excited to pay them their price either...................Geez

Then I guess we have no way to get rid of him so we should just beat him into the ground and then let him go after the season.

 

[Mugatu]

No offence, but I absolutely hate that deal. Tunsil is a nice player but I don't think he's worth that kind of haul.

Stanley and Decker don't grade out THAT much lower and you might be able to snag one of them for far less if they're sitting there in the 10-15 spot.

I think this is the perfect draft to let things come to us.

i think Left tackle is becoming less important to a successful offence these days. I mean you need one to keep your QB from getting killed, but more along the lines that mobility in the pocket negate some of the value of the position vs 10 years ago. You also see pressure coming from all over the line these days.... It is far less predicated on pressure from the edge. Most of these QBs can move (even Fitz). Lynch can too.... So you're taking more and more snaps where the LT is less important.

Unless you've got a statue out there, then you really need to decide if paying an elite tackle is worth the dough.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

You know what just occurred too me?

If we were to make this deal today, hypothetically speaking, we could then turn around and sign Josh Norman.

Making this deal would free up enough cap space to put us in a strong position to make a run at Norman. So many teams are capped out this late into free agency, there are a precious few who have enough space to sign Norman, and we would be one of them if we got Wilkerson off the books, in fact we would probably be in the strongest position to sign Norman.

So look at it this way, this could turn into #20 and Wilkerson for #3 (Tunsil) and Norman.

 

[SackExchange]

I cannot stand this plan for a few reasons:

1. The Chargers are in desperate need for help at tackle, and would likely ask for far more for that spot.

2. I believe the coaching staff is very high on Qvale at RT, and while Clady may be a question mark with his health, LT is not right now a glaring need.

3. I like Tunsil, but I'm not sure he is any better than other OTs who have been taken early in the past several seasons. I definitely do not think he is worth trading a lot (and yes, that means more than what is offered here) for him.

By the way, is that the value chart from before or after the last CBA? With salary slots, those top spots cost more now in terms of pick and player compensation.

 

[SackExchange]

You know what just occurred too me?

If we were to make this deal today, hypothetically speaking, we could then turn around and sign Josh Norman.

Making this deal would free up enough cap space to put us in a strong position to make a run at Norman. So many teams are capped out this late into free agency, there are a precious few who have enough space to sign Norman, and we would be one of them if we got Wilkerson off the books, in fact we would probably be in the strongest position to sign Norman.

So look at it this way, this could turn into #20 and Wilkerson for #3 (Tunsil) and Norman.

And that would put even more cap space tied up in CB, while you have other holes, including at the most expensive position in the league.

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

You know what just occurred too me?

If we were to make this deal today, hypothetically speaking, we could then turn around and sign Josh Norman.

Making this deal would free up enough cap space to put us in a strong position to make a run at Norman. So many teams are capped out this late into free agency, there are a precious few who have enough space to sign Norman, and we would be one of them if we got Wilkerson off the books, in fact we would probably be in the strongest position to sign Norman.

So look at it this way, this could turn into #20 and Wilkerson for #3 (Tunsil) and Norman.

No way, no way, no way.

That would be a short term solution to a long term problem. That's a move Tannenbaum would make. The most prudent move would be to trade Mo to the Titans for three picks. Having six picks in rounds 2-4 allows Mac to draft his QB in the first round which it seems he wants to do. It then allows him to get an OL, ILB, OLB, CB, WR and RB/TE. This kind of move allows him to remove the old contracts off the books in the next year or two.

 

[Mainejet]

Lots of rumors out there that the Chargers are willing to deal the #3 Pick and they are listening to offers.

Well in that case, here's what I believe the Jets should offer ...

Swap of 1st RD Picks (20 for 3) and we give them Mo Wilkerson.

EXPLANATION

First the bookkeeping:

If you study the VALUE CHART you will see that the difference between #3 and #20 is 1350 Value Points. If you then research 1350 VP's you will see its the equivalent of the #9 Overall Pick in the draft, so its the equivalent of a TOP 10 Pick, therefore we have to give them a TOP 10 Pick to make this trade or the equivalent of a TOP 10 Pick, and IMO Mo Wilkerson meets that criteria, particularly at 26 and in his prime.

All you need to do is ask yourself the following question, if Mo Wilkerson could re-enter this draft would he be a TOP 10 Pick? I say absolutely.

So that clears up the bookkeeping, now to how this makes sense for the Chargers and Jets?

For the Chargers it makes sense because 3-4 DE is arguably their single biggest need when you study their depth chart. They currently have a black hole at LDE and Wilkerson is an All Pro caliber player at the position, just entering the prime of his career. So with this deal not only do they fill their biggest need with an elite young talent, but they also stay in the 1st RD to address a secondary need with another 1st RD talent. So for them this trade makes a great deal of sense.

But how does it make sense for the Jets?

With the sudden retirement of Brick and a crying need for an upgrade at RT too, there is little doubt that OT is our biggest need other than QB, preferably someone who can play some RT for now, as long as Clady stays healthy (BIG IF), but who has all of the tools to slide over to LT and be a legit franchise LT when necessary. Heck, I would even consider installing Tunsil at LT immediately and shifting Clady to RT, but either way, Tunsil locks down the LT position for the next decade with an elite, stud LT prospect.

As for dealing Wilkerson, lets face it, having drafted Leonard Williams a year ago, we would be trading from excess. We would also be avoiding a contentious hold-out scenario and/or the circus that follows such rancorous situations, and lastly we would be freeing up a ton of cap space having essentially swapped Wilkerson for Tunsil. It used to be that the #3 Pick was paid a fortune, but thats no longer the case, now its far more reasonable.

Anyway, thats my offer and thats my case for making it.

PS. In the unlikely event that one of the TOP 2 teams should throw everyone a curveball and take Tunsil or Ramsey, then one of the TOP 2 QB's falls to us at 3, so there's really no way to lose here. Either we walk away with a franchise LT for the next decade, or we walk away with a blue chip QB prospect.

I love the plan but I doubt the Chargers would consider that enough in return for the 3rd overall pick. But if it works, then Mac should definitely make that move.