Charlie Casserly???

[Jetsfanatic]

That was an awful post. The Cubs didn't reboot the entire organization. They hired one guy over another. Of course Woody has an obligation. But that obligation isn't to "reboot", it's to win. You know who reboots every other year? The Redskins. The Raiders.

That's the point, Woody has never really rebooted. He has only done it half way, which is the worst thing to do. In 2012 he should have either kept both Rex and Tanny or fired both, not keep the HC and fire the GM.

 

[Jetsfanatic]

Hmmm 107 years. Maybe we can hire Theo as GM, seems like he'll fit

Theo Epstein is a top notch GM. He built the first Red Sox World Championship team in 86 years in 2004, and also the second only 3 years later in 2007.
I wish we had the football equivalent.

 

[Jetsfanatic]

This is a damn good post.

Thanks

 

[Savage69]

Theo Epstein is a top notch GM. He built the first Red Sox World Championship team in 86 years in 2004, and also the second only 3 years later in 2007.
I wish we had the football equivalent.

I remember him from Welcome Back Kotter..

 

[Jetsfanatic]

Excellent article on Idzik and the predicament we are in.

http://overthecap.com/looking-john-idziks-tenure-jets-black-monday-approaches/

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Excellent article on Idzik and the predicament we are in.

http://overthecap.com/looking-john-idziks-tenure-jets-black-monday-approaches/

Great article, but it doesn't show any GM's that did a better job.

 

[Deleted member 39]

If management feels someone else will do a better job than the person in currently in place they better pull the trigger. They owe it to their millions of fans. They can't worry about looking like the Raiders. It's not like Idzik doesn't deserve getting fired. His track record isn't that great and speaks for itself.

He hasn't done such an awful job to warrant all these campaigns with the penalty flag, helicopters but it's not like he's done a great job. If they decide to keep him, I'm okay with that, if they Fire him, I'm okay also. I trust Casserly/Wolf to make the right choice.

"Who's been wrong more than Charlie Casserly?" Bill Bellichick.

 

[flgreen]

I remember him from Welcome Back Kotter..

LOL

Voted most likely to take a life.

 

[flgreen]

Seems that right now this is all a moot point. When the Jets site starts bashing a GM, their gone

 

[jetgreen13]

Seems that right now this is all a moot point. When the Jets site starts bashing a GM, their gone

ballgame..

 

[flgreen]

"Who's been wrong more than Charlie Casserly?" Bill Bellichick.

LOL

Your really going to use this quote to attack Casserly? This was in response to Casserly once again catching Bellichick in a lie.

"During the 2009 season, when Casserly worked for CBS as an analyst, he reported that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was playing through three broken ribs. Casserly reported this entering the Patriots' regular season finale. His report was confirmed by at least one reporter who covered the Patriots.

Casserly's report angered Belichick, who ripped Casserly during an interview with WEEI radio in Boston:"

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/20...kely_consultant_for_jets_coaching_search.html

 

[Deleted member 39]

Excellent article on Idzik and the predicament we are in.

http://overthecap.com/looking-john-idziks-tenure-jets-black-monday-approaches/

Why is it that when someone writes and article that people agree with, we say it's a great article? why not try to read it closely and try to determine the motives of the writer and his potential bias? Right now I wouldn't trust anything written by any of the press about the Jets. I actually trust the posters here and fans more than the press. They stick together. They won't break ranks. At least with us fans, we're all looking to win.

After TB signed Sanchez to that awful contract and also traded for Tebow, without knowing the terms of his deal, the Jets were in cap hell. And I've got to give some credit to Idzik.

I know Idzik's a goner. But next year, the new GM will have a ton of cap space and he'll have a young left guard in Aboushi, at least 2 good RBs, 2 decent receivers, a good young tight end, 2 young CBs coming off major injuries, a young safety. the remainder of his selections I won't list. (Reilly, etc.) But if they turn out to be players, the credit should go to Idzik, no?

 

[Deleted member 39]

LOL

Your really going to use this quote to attack Casserly? This was in response to Casserly once again catching Bellichick in a lie.

"During the 2009 season, when Casserly worked for CBS as an analyst, he reported that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was playing through three broken ribs. Casserly reported this entering the Patriots' regular season finale. His report was confirmed by at least one reporter who covered the Patriots.

Casserly's report angered Belichick, who ripped Casserly during an interview with WEEI radio in Boston:"

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/20...kely_consultant_for_jets_coaching_search.html

You're right, I should never quote that evil creep. I'm sorry.

But Casserly did draft one of the biggest busts in 1st Round history Jay Schroder? I forget his name.
He also drafted Carr. I know he drafted Mario Williams. The point is that he's not infallible.

Can we start a thread on Casserly? I think his remarks in 2006 regarding Patriots filming deserve a salute or a bow. His background deserves a thread to hash out, and I don't think it should be buried here.

Also I think we need to start a whole thread covering the Hernandez trial. A day by day.

 

[Deleted member 39]

Theo Epstein is a top notch GM. He built the first Red Sox World Championship team in 86 years in 2004, and also the second only 3 years later in 2007.
I wish we had the football equivalent.

You don't see any similarities between Theo Epstein and John Idzik? Epstein used Moneyball. He used advanced statistics. Bill James and Sabermetrics. You don't you see that in Idzik? Look at his background. Now do you see? Do a Google for Quantitative Analysis in football, the NFL. Poke around. Look at Football Outsiders.

Why do you think the Pats win? There are 2 constants: Bellichick and Ernie Adams. I read an article a few years ago that some software company was displaying their program for football play calling. Several teams went to the presentation. From what I heard, Bellichick was unimpressed. Hmmm.

We're going back to Charlie Casserly, old-fashioned "smash-mouth football." We stand little chance.

 

[flgreen]

You're right, I should never quote that evil creep. I'm sorry.

But Casserly did draft one of the biggest busts in 1st Round history Jay Schroder? I forget his name.
He also drafted Carr. I know he drafted Mario Williams. The point is that he's not infallible.

Can we start a thread on Casserly? I think his remarks in 2006 regarding Patriots filming deserve a salute or a bow. His background deserves a thread to hash out, and I don't think it should be buried here.

Also I think we need to start a whole thread covering the Hernandez trial. A day by day.

We're good Little John. Casserly has certainly had his misfires, as Ozzie also has. He has also had some sensational drafts, and picking up UDFA, who become stars is his specialty.

The Skins with him either as Chief of Scouting, or other similar titles, including GM, have been to 4 Super Bowls, winning 3.

He'll probably go to the HOF eventually. Couldn't imagine a better pair then him and Ron Wolf looking for out next GM.

I understand your concern about constant upheaval in the Jets FO. Not a good formula for success. But you also have to cut bait when you realize you've made a mistake. Woody made a mistake last time. He probably got an intelligent businessman. Hopefully this time, hopefully, he'll get an intelligent football guy.

Doesn't matter, Idzik is gone. Period. I'm happy about that, your not. Cool

As far as a Hernandez is concerned of course you can start a thread. Guy is a pond scum, I'll pass

 

[Jet Blast]

What has he been stubborn about?

1) He has steadfastly refused to spend, in spite of the team having glaring needs. While there are some merits to his philosophy, his stubbornness and refusal to bend has stunted the team.

2) He has been very slow and deliberate, taking a hard line stance in negotiations. While this has netted the Jets some good deals, it has also caused us to lose some potential free agents (example: DRC). Here also, his stubbornness has cost us.

Don't you think he was told not to spend all the cap money?

Nope. I believe he was given an edict to clean up the cap mess he inherited. You say "not spend all the cap money", which obviously would not be ideal. It is also not ideal to keep a very large portion of the budget on ice, when the team needs improvement.

Or do you think that was is idea?

My guess is that it was.

Does that make sense?

No. Not to me, at least.

Do you think he didn't want to sign Revis?

I don't know. It may have been him, Woody, or both. All I know is that Rex's defense is predicated on cornerback play and Idzik did not do a good job providing serviceable replacements for Revis and then Cromartie (who IMO, should not have been let go). We had the best (or at least one of the best) CB tandems in the league. Now we have one of the worst.

 

[Deleted member 39]

1) He has steadfastly refused to spend, in spite of the team having glaring needs. While there are some merits to his philosophy, his stubbornness and refusal to bend has stunted the team.

2) He has been very slow and deliberate, taking a hard line stance in negotiations. While this has netted the Jets some good deals, it has also caused us to lose some potential free agents (example: DRC). Here also, his stubbornness has cost us.





Nope. I believe he was given an edict to clean up the cap mess he inherited. You say "not spend all the cap money", which obviously would not be ideal. It is also not ideal to keep a very large portion of the budget on ice, when the team needs improvement.

My guess is that it was.



No. Not to me, at least.



I don't know. It may have been him, Woody, or both. All I know is that Rex's defense is predicated on cornerback play and Idzik did not do a good job providing serviceable replacements for Revis and then Cromartie (who IMO, should not have been let go). We had the best (or at least one of the best) CB tandems in the league. Now we have one of the worst.

I agree with a lot of what you say, but I don't think he was stubborn or anything like that. Look at what happened: he made a very good offer to the CB who decided to stay with the Colts. He was a good bet AND he turned out that he's played well. The rest of the available CBs pretty much were either not matches for Rex or they were over-priced. He decided to go with Milliner and MacDougal and backed it up with Patterson and Walls. Disaster struck. Milliner and MacDougal were IR'd and Patterson did what no one could predict: he committed career suicide. Who could have predicted that? 3/4 of your CBs gone almost before the season began. Now you look back and say "hey you should have signed players X, Y and Z." Sure, in hindsight he should have signed 3 other CBs. But who could have seen 3/4 of your CBs gone.

The clincher on this issue was Revis. If Woody denied Idzik's desire to sign Revis then you can't blame Idzik. If Idzik expressed a lukewarm desire to sign Revis then sure, you should blame him. One day maybe we'll know.

One last side issue. Everyone points to what a genius Rex is on defense. How could this genius be predicated on one simple linchpin: the cover corner. Seems pretty simple to me to have CBs who can shut down the other team's best receiver. Once you give a D coordinator that advantage, where's the genius? You take out your opponent's best receiver. You have a great defensive line controlling the LOS.

 

[ucrenegade]

I agree that Idzik is gone. I'm just saying it's a huge mistake. The question is why even rely on Casserly in the first place?

"Who's been more wrong than Charlie Casserly?" Bill Belichick.

actually he has not been that bad considering he didn't always have a first rounder alot esp with the skins

yeah after reviewing his drafts I can say he is not bad.

in 89 he had no first or second rounder but manged to draft mark schlereth in round 10
in 90 he had no first rounder but he picked up brian mitchell in rd 5
in 91 a pretty bad draft in general he drafted keenan mccardellin round 12
in 92 in round 4 he picked desmond howard
in 93 rd 6 he found frank wychek
in 94 rd he picked tre johnson and then in rd 7 picked gus frerotte
in 95 he was one of the 11 teams that passed on sapp no notables picked
in 96 in the 4th he found stephen davis
in 97 no notables
in 98 rd 2 he found stephen alexander
in 99 rd 1 he drafted champ bailey and round 2 he drafted jan jansen

now take these picks with a grain of salt because as i was looking at all the drafts i noticed alot of time he did not have a high pick and the times he did have a high pick he was scarce in the middle rounds.

This is just a quick overview of his Skins picks I didn't include any trades he made.




now as a texans gm

02- newly formed team guess you need a QB took derek carr rd 2 to protect his qb took chester pitts
03- rd andre johnson
04- rd 1 dunta robinson and jason babin
05- was one of 23 teams that passed on aaron rodgers no notables
06- rd 1 mario williams rd 2 demeco ryans rd 4 owen daniels.

again didn't include any trades.

 

[Deleted member 39]

actually he has not been that bad considering he didn't always have a first rounder alot esp with the skins

yeah after reviewing his drafts I can say he is not bad.

in 89 he had no first or second rounder but manged to draft mark schlereth in round 10
in 90 he had no first rounder but he picked up brian mitchell in rd 5
in 91 a pretty bad draft in general he drafted keenan mccardellin round 12
in 92 in round 4 he picked desmond howard
in 93 rd 6 he found frank wychek
in 94 rd he picked tre johnson and then in rd 7 picked gus frerotte
in 95 he was one of the 11 teams that passed on sapp no notables picked
in 96 in the 4th he found stephen davis
in 97 no notables
in 98 rd 2 he found stephen alexander
in 99 rd 1 he drafted champ bailey and round 2 he drafted jan jansen

now take these picks with a grain of salt because as i was looking at all the drafts i noticed alot of time he did not have a high pick and the times he did have a high pick he was scarce in the middle rounds.

This is just a quick overview of his Skins picks I didn't include any trades he made.




now as a texans gm

02- newly formed team guess you need a QB took derek carr rd 2 to protect his qb took chester pitts
03- rd andre johnson
04- rd 1 dunta robinson and jason babin
05- was one of 23 teams that passed on aaron rodgers no notables
06- rd 1 mario williams rd 2 demeco ryans rd 4 owen daniels.

again didn't include any trades.

1994 didn't he draft Heath Shuler???? with the number 3 pick? It was ranked as one of the biggest draft busts in NFL history. How could that not be included on your list??

If Idzik drafted the likes of Heath Shuler ... imagine the furor!!! He drafted Pryor at 18 followed it by drafting Amaro and he's being crucified in the press.

 

[ucrenegade]

1994 didn't he draft Heath Shuler???? with the number 3 pick? It was ranked as one of the biggest draft busts in NFL history. How could that not be included on your list??

If Idzik drafted the likes of Heath Shuler ... imagine the furor!!! He drafted Pryor at 18 followed it by drafting Amaro and he's being crucified in the press.

Well he is not going to be perfect I was just pointing out he is not as bad a GM as you made him out to be.