Christian Hackenberg optimism?

[gmf1369]

The report was a damning assessment of a rookie quarterback. According to ESPN, an anonymous Jets coach said the second-round draft pick "couldn't hit the ocean" with a pass, and team officials said he "regressed" during the season. Not all felt this way. There was some sense among the coaching staff that Hackenberg did get better throughout the season. All will wait until spring practices to see how much better. In the meantime, there are clearly mixed feelings about Hackenberg within the organization.

 

[Namath12]

Regardless of Hack's merits or demerits, it was despicable for the anonymous coach and "official" to put this out there.

 

[NewMFS62]

Birds have been chirping here since this was posted.
My keen, analytical, mind is telling me that there's probably not a lot of optimism here.

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[BlindsideD'Brick]

Birds have been chirping here since this was posted.
My keen, analytical, mind is telling me that there's probably not a lot of optimism here.

Later

Hackenberg was always considered a developmental project. The team never had any intention of playing him last season. But that doesn't stop Manish and the gang from starting rumors about how people "really feel" about him.

Tabloid journalism. I'll wait and see how Hack looks next year before assuming anything.

 

[lounap23]

Hackenberg was always considered a developmental project. The team never had any intention of playing him last season. But that doesn't stop Manish and the gang from starting rumors about how people "really feel" about him.

Tabloid journalism. I'll wait and see how Hack looks next year before assuming anything.

Amen.... They said from the moment they drafted him they were gonna sit him for a year or two and then Manish makes up another story.... I'm starting to question not only the intelligence of some of the posters here but I am literally questioning their common sense as well.

 

[mykcuz]

Amen.... They said from the moment they drafted him they were gonna sit him for a year or two and then Manish makes up another story.... I'm starting to question not only the intelligence of some of the posters here but I am literally questioning their common sense as well.

I didn't like the pick, I wanted a contributor at 2. However, mac was exceptionally clear that hack was a redshirt player at least for year 1, and he was a pick based on huge potential.

I personally put my blinders on to hack and acted as if he wasn't on the team.

Now I see him as a second round pick this year. A guy that should push the starter in camp, and possibly win the spot, or who can backup and continue to learn.

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[lounap23]

I didn't like the pick, I wanted a contributor at 2. However, mac was exceptionally clear that hack was a redshirt player at least for year 1, and he was a pick based on huge potential.

I personally put my blinders on to hack and acted as if he wasn't on the team.

Now I see him as a second round pick this year. A guy that should push the starter in camp, and possibly win the spot, or who can backup and continue to learn.

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And I think that's the only way we should look at it..

 

[NewMFS62]

When he was drafted, folks were saying that if he had come out a year or two earlier, he would have been a high first round selection. It was noted that he didn't have much surrounding him his last year or two at PSU. But we were told the skills were there.
So I could live with a one year of sitting on the bench, honing his skills and learning the plays.
Then, middle of the year, we were told that would have to be put on hold because his mechanics had to be totally rebuilt.
Weren't those deficiencies apparent when he was scouted before he was selected? Or was this like Rick Petersen saying he could fix a pitcher's motion "in fifteen minutes"? If they saw those deficiencies, then why wasn't he drafted with a lower pick? And if they didn't see them, why are they still employed?

To use your term, that's "common sense".

And, I've been watching pro football for about 60 years, and can understand what I see. And even though I could probably spot you 25 points and still beat you in an IQ test, I wouldn't question the intelligence of anyone who didn't see what I saw or call them names.


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[mykcuz]

When he was drafted, folks were saying that if he had come out a year or two earlier, he would have been a high first round selection. It was noted that he didn't have much surrounding him his last year or two at PSU. But we were told the skills were there.
So I could live with a one year of sitting on the bench, honing his skills and learning the plays.
Then, middle of the year, we were told that would have to be put on hold because his mechanics had to be totally rebuilt.
Weren't those deficiencies apparent when he was scouted before he was selected? Or was this like Rick Petersen saying he could fix a pitcher's motion "in fifteen minutes"? If they saw those deficiencies, then why wasn't he drafted with a lower pick? And if they didn't see them, why are they still employed?

To use your term, that's "common sense".

And, I've been watching pro football for about 60 years, and can understand what I see. And even though I could probably spot you 25 points and still beat you in an IQ test, I wouldn't question the intelligence of anyone who didn't see what I saw or call them names.


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I guess you're replying to me? Try replying to my post so there's a linear discussion. Why are you insulting my iq? We are Jets fans having a discussion, I don't get the insults, especially to a complete stranger.

Hack had defects, as every drafted player does. The question is, do you have faith they can be fixed or managed,and help the team. There's a lot of factors. You need to remember,at the time of the draft the Jets probably felt confident that their historic offense could manage at least one more decent season while a guy like hack sat on the bench and learned. The season went a totally different direction with several key injuries, a bad start,and key guys going on ir. It was just a complete mess.

In hacks rookie year in college, he was a top recruit in the country, went into a pro system and looked like a top tier qb. If you stop the clock right there, he's a very tempting pick. However, he lost his coach, lost most of the talent around him to the nfl, and spent 2 years getting murdered. If you stop the clock there, you have to surmise whether he had a fluke rookie year, or if he's a talented guy who got punished for 2 years, and if so,can he recover from the damage?

The Jets felt his talent was real and they had a realistic chance to fix the bad habits he developed while trying to survive. I'd imagine the Jets felt they had a cushion of time to let him get fixed. They may still feel he's special. It's very simple,either it's a bad pick, or it works out and Mac looks like a genius.

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[lounap23]

I guess you're replying to me? Try replying to my post so there's a linear discussion. Why are you insulting my iq? We are Jets fans having a discussion, I don't get the insults, especially to a complete stranger.

Hack had defects, as every drafted player does. The question is, do you have faith they can be fixed or managed,and help the team. There's a lot of factors. You need to remember,at the time of the draft the Jets probably felt confident that their historic offense could manage at least one more decent season while a guy like hack sat on the bench and learned. The season went a totally different direction with several key injuries, a bad start,and key guys going on ir. It was just a complete mess.

In hacks rookie year in college, he was a top recruit in the country, went into a pro system and looked like a top tier qb. If you stop the clock right there, he's a very tempting pick. However, he lost his coach, lost most of the talent around him to the nfl, and spent 2 years getting murdered. If you stop the clock there, you have to surmise whether he had a fluke rookie year, or if he's a talented guy who got punished for 2 years, and if so,can he recover from the damage?

The Jets felt his talent was real and they had a realistic chance to fix the bad habits he developed while trying to survive. I'd imagine the Jets felt they had a cushion of time to let him get fixed. They may still feel he's special. It's very simple,either it's a bad pick, or it works out and Mac looks like a genius.

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On point.... Nobody anywhere has questioned the immense talent Hack has... So it really is a matter of if the Jets CS can get the light bulb to turn on or not.

 

[NewMFS62]

I guess you're replying to me? Try replying to my post so there's a linear discussion. Why are you insulting my iq? We are Jets fans having a discussion, I don't get the insults, especially to a complete stranger.

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Sorry, but when you said you questioned the intelligence and common sense of people who were negative it put the red flag up for me. It turns out everything you said is really very similar to what I said.
But some of the negative people on him, like I am, are frustrated that they so badly underestimated what it would take to turn him into a productive QB.
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[mykcuz]

I guess you're replying to me? Try replying to my post so there's a linear discussion. Why are you insulting my iq? We are Jets fans having a discussion, I don't get the insults, especially to a complete stranger.
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Sorry, but when you said you questioned the intelligence and common sense of people who were negative it put the red flag up for me. It turns out everything you said is really very similar to what I said.
But some of the negative people on him, like I am, are frustrated that they so badly underestimated what it would take to turn him into a productive QB.
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As a rule of thumb, I'm not insulting posters. But let's be honest fans are mostly,extremely fair weather, and not objective.

I think there is an assumed timeline when you draft a qb in the 2nd round, and fans aren't listening to the cs. Hack is a project, he's ready when he's ready. There is no timeline, there's estimates, but he needs to be fixed.

Think of the alternative, trading 3 first rounders to draft a top 3 qb. If hack costs us a 2nd rounder and 2 years on the bench, he's a steal if he ever turns into a starter.

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[NewMFS62]

That, I can agree with.

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[Xmarco]

I liked the pick then and still do...Just want consistent passes ... Wrong reads and such are teachable...Put passes on the numbers is needed

 

[hatnlvr]

All of this will come down to who the Jets hire as their QB guru! We can draft a QB every year and keep looking for retreads in free agency, but unless we get a bonafide QB coach on the staff to help develop this guys and get them to play up to potential we will keep spinning our wheels and ruining guys careers.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

As a rule of thumb, I'm not insulting posters. But let's be honest fans are mostly,extremely fair weather, and not objective.

I think there is an assumed timeline when you draft a qb in the 2nd round, and fans aren't listening to the cs. Hack is a project, he's ready when he's ready. There is no timeline, there's estimates, but he needs to be fixed.

Think of the alternative, trading 3 first rounders to draft a top 3 qb. If hack costs us a 2nd rounder and 2 years on the bench, he's a steal if he ever turns into a starter.

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This draft will probably see some team foolishly trade up for one of the top three QB's and surrender a lot of high draft picks. It's inevitable. Trubisky, Watson, and Kizer all have flaws that should keep them at the bottom of the first round or even 2nd round. But because it is the premium position it is, someone's gonna mortgage the future and gamble on one, or even all of them.

I can only hope some team tries to move up to #6 to do it. Let some other team be the fool, and the Jets can benefit from it.

 

[mykcuz]

This draft will probably see some team foolishly trade up for one of the top three QB's and surrender a lot of high draft picks. It's inevitable. Trubisky, Watson, and Kizer all have flaws that should keep them at the bottom of the first round or even 2nd round. But because it is the premium position it is, someone's gonna mortgage the future and gamble on one, or even all of them.

I can only hope some team tries to move up to #6 to do it. Let some other team be the fool, and the Jets can benefit from it.

In thinking a qb will fall. They aren't rated very high at all, they'll only get drafted top 10 because they play qb.

My worry is what we do if someone drops to 6. Do we draft a player or an over valued qb?

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[Fudbutter]

Lineman please

Lineman please

In thinking a qb will fall. They aren't rated very high at all, they'll only get drafted top 10 because they play qb.

My worry is what we do if someone drops to 6. Do we draft a player or an over valued qb?

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You need to surround ANY QB with a productive team. Look at Archie Manning. Would have been a huge star if he played on decent teams. Another example is David Carr, very talented but by the time the Texans developed any competency, he was shot

OL and DL makes winning teams. Opening holes makes RB's look like Jim Brown, give any QB time to sit back in the pocket and someone wil get open. Stuff the run and put huge pressure on the QB and any CB looks good.

Football is won and loss on the line of scrimmage

Plus, the Jets have enough undeveloped QB's. You want more, you can pick them up from other teams

 

[mykcuz]

You need to surround ANY QB with a productive team. Look at Archie Manning. Would have been a huge star if he played on decent teams. Another example is David Carr, very talented but by the time the Texans developed any competency, he was shot

OL and DL makes winning teams. Opening holes makes RB's look like Jim Brown, give any QB time to sit back in the pocket and someone wil get open. Stuff the run and put huge pressure on the QB and any CB looks good.

Football is won and loss on the line of scrimmage

Plus, the Jets have enough undeveloped QB's. You want more, you can pick them up from other teams

I'd tend to agree, I'd like solid contributors in the first round. But you never know which qb is going to hit.

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[ReallyBigfan]

I have such mixed feelings about drafting a QB high, but I could probably get on board with Watson. Two major factors:
-he has shown that he can win the big game under pressure, and no stage is too big for him
-he has got tremendous accuracy, even full out on the run. He's been at 67%+ completion percentage every year. In the National Championship game it wasn't just that he hit his receivers, it was that for the most part he put the ball in unbelievable spots - either leading his receivers open, or throwing it where only his guy had a chance to catch it; low, outside, high - whatever it took on a given play.

He's obviously got special athleticism and impressive toughness, but the ability to win against the toughest competition really stands out.