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Jets mailbag: Marcus Mariota, draft scenarios and Darrelle Revis
February, 21, 2015
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By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com
INDIANAPOLIS -- Answering your questions from the center of the NFL universe, the scouting combine:
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@RichCimini in YOUR opinion, what is our best case scenario if mariota is off the board at #6 ? [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Jetsmail][URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=JetsMail]#JetsMail [/URL] [/URL]
1:54 PM - 20 Feb 2015
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@RichCimini: If Marcus Mariota is gone by the Jets' pick, it means someone probably traded up to get him because I don't think the Tennessee Titans will take him at No. 2. In this scenario, I see Mariota, Jameis Winston, Leonard Williams and Amari Cooper somewhere in the top 5. That would leave one of the top pass-rushers, Randy Gregory or Shane Ray, for the Jets. In a perfect world, I think the Jets would like to pick a cornerback. Todd Bowles really, really, really wants a cornerback. Could they take Trae Waynes at six? That might be considered a bit of a reach, but Waynes' stock could rise if he aces the 40 at the combine or his pro day. You want to know the real best-case scenario? If Mariota is gone, the Jets should trade back a few spots and take Waynes or the top corner. The question is, who'd want the sixth pick if both quarterbacks are gone? We have two months to analyze the various scenarios.
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@richcimini [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Jetsmail][URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=JetsMail]#JetsMail [/URL] [/URL] If Mariota gets past #2 on draft day, wouldn't the Eagles try to make a deal w/Jax, Oak or Was 2 get ahead of Jets?
12:59 PM - 20 Feb 2015
@RichCimini: You raise a very good point. If the Eagles really want Mariota, it makes sense to jump ahead of the Jets. In a situation like this, you wouldn't want to negotiate with another quarterback-needy team because it hurts your leverage. The Jets could say to the Eagles, "Sorry, Chip, if you don't give us this, this and this, we'll just take Mariota ourselves." The Eagles could talk to the aforementioned teams, but how high can they realistically go? The cost to jump from 20 into the top-5 would be enormous. The Washington Redskins at 5 could be an interesting partner because they could be looking to stockpile draft picks after getting ripped off with the RG III trade a few years ago.
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@RichCimini if Revis doesn't stay in NE do you think he is more likely to go to the Jets or the Bills? [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Jetsmail][URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=JetsMail]#JetsMail [/URL] [/URL]
1:01 PM - 20 Feb 2015
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@RichCimini: Let me start by saying I think Darrelle Revis will work out a deal with the New England Patriots. They have until the start of the league year (March 10) to get that done. If not, they probably will release him because the cap charge on his existing contract is a prohibitive $25 million. If that happens, I'd put the Jets over the Buffalo Bills. I'd be surprised if he ends up in Buffalo. We all know he has a great relationship with Rex Ryan, and I'm sure Ryan is interested, but I think Revis wants to play in a big market. He really likes New York, the big-city feel. He was looking to buy a place in Manhattan before the trade in 2013. Bottom line: Revis is in a great negotiating position.
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@RichCimini Under Rex the Jets would consistently focus on defense in the draft. Is there any possibility they do an about face? [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Jetsmail][URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=JetsMail]#JetsMail [/URL] [/URL]
12:38 PM - 20 Feb 2015
@RichCimini: Actually, it goes back to before Rex Ryan's arrival. The Jets have picked a defensive player in the first round in seven of the last eight drafts, starting with Revis in 2007. The lone offensive pick was Mark Sanchez in 2009. But, hey, that's what happens when you have defensive-minded coaches, Ryan and Eric Mangini. Obviously, Todd Bowles is from the same side of the ball, so don't be shocked if they go defense again. But, you're right, it's time to start investing in the offense. The last time they drafted a first-round wide receiver was Santana Moss in 2001. This is an offensive-minded league, but you don't want to reach to fill a need because that's when you get burned. That's what happened with Sanchez in '09, when they traded up because they were desperate for a quarterback.
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@RichCimini Who's the better OLB prospect: Gregory or Beasley? [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Jetsmail][URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=JetsMail]#JetsMail [/URL] [/URL]
12:35 PM - 20 Feb 2015
@RichCimini: Depends on your defensive scheme. At 6-foot-6, 245 pounds, Gregory is a classic 3-4 outside linebacker. That's where he'd fit in Bowles' system. Gregory is an excellent pass-rusher, but he could use some sand in the pants, as scouts like to say. In other words, he needs more size and strength to anchor at the point of attack. Initially, he could be used as a third-down rusher. Some scouts say he's similar to Dion Jordan, which isn't a flattering comparison. Vic Beasley (6-3, 245) is a terrific player, but his size has some teams wondering about his position. He wouldn't be a good fit in the Jets' system, but he could fit as a weakside 'backer in a 4-3 system.
February, 21, 2015
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By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com
INDIANAPOLIS -- Answering your questions from the center of the NFL universe, the scouting combine:
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@RichCimini in YOUR opinion, what is our best case scenario if mariota is off the board at #6 ? [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Jetsmail][URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=JetsMail]#JetsMail [/URL] [/URL]
1:54 PM - 20 Feb 2015
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@RichCimini: If Marcus Mariota is gone by the Jets' pick, it means someone probably traded up to get him because I don't think the Tennessee Titans will take him at No. 2. In this scenario, I see Mariota, Jameis Winston, Leonard Williams and Amari Cooper somewhere in the top 5. That would leave one of the top pass-rushers, Randy Gregory or Shane Ray, for the Jets. In a perfect world, I think the Jets would like to pick a cornerback. Todd Bowles really, really, really wants a cornerback. Could they take Trae Waynes at six? That might be considered a bit of a reach, but Waynes' stock could rise if he aces the 40 at the combine or his pro day. You want to know the real best-case scenario? If Mariota is gone, the Jets should trade back a few spots and take Waynes or the top corner. The question is, who'd want the sixth pick if both quarterbacks are gone? We have two months to analyze the various scenarios.
Richard Fronapfel @jesterbeast
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@richcimini [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Jetsmail][URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=JetsMail]#JetsMail [/URL] [/URL] If Mariota gets past #2 on draft day, wouldn't the Eagles try to make a deal w/Jax, Oak or Was 2 get ahead of Jets?
12:59 PM - 20 Feb 2015
@RichCimini: You raise a very good point. If the Eagles really want Mariota, it makes sense to jump ahead of the Jets. In a situation like this, you wouldn't want to negotiate with another quarterback-needy team because it hurts your leverage. The Jets could say to the Eagles, "Sorry, Chip, if you don't give us this, this and this, we'll just take Mariota ourselves." The Eagles could talk to the aforementioned teams, but how high can they realistically go? The cost to jump from 20 into the top-5 would be enormous. The Washington Redskins at 5 could be an interesting partner because they could be looking to stockpile draft picks after getting ripped off with the RG III trade a few years ago.
Bryan Parrott @someperson50502
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@RichCimini if Revis doesn't stay in NE do you think he is more likely to go to the Jets or the Bills? [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Jetsmail][URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=JetsMail]#JetsMail [/URL] [/URL]
1:01 PM - 20 Feb 2015
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@RichCimini: Let me start by saying I think Darrelle Revis will work out a deal with the New England Patriots. They have until the start of the league year (March 10) to get that done. If not, they probably will release him because the cap charge on his existing contract is a prohibitive $25 million. If that happens, I'd put the Jets over the Buffalo Bills. I'd be surprised if he ends up in Buffalo. We all know he has a great relationship with Rex Ryan, and I'm sure Ryan is interested, but I think Revis wants to play in a big market. He really likes New York, the big-city feel. He was looking to buy a place in Manhattan before the trade in 2013. Bottom line: Revis is in a great negotiating position.
Steve D. @SteveDietrich13
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@RichCimini Under Rex the Jets would consistently focus on defense in the draft. Is there any possibility they do an about face? [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Jetsmail][URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=JetsMail]#JetsMail [/URL] [/URL]
12:38 PM - 20 Feb 2015
@RichCimini: Actually, it goes back to before Rex Ryan's arrival. The Jets have picked a defensive player in the first round in seven of the last eight drafts, starting with Revis in 2007. The lone offensive pick was Mark Sanchez in 2009. But, hey, that's what happens when you have defensive-minded coaches, Ryan and Eric Mangini. Obviously, Todd Bowles is from the same side of the ball, so don't be shocked if they go defense again. But, you're right, it's time to start investing in the offense. The last time they drafted a first-round wide receiver was Santana Moss in 2001. This is an offensive-minded league, but you don't want to reach to fill a need because that's when you get burned. That's what happened with Sanchez in '09, when they traded up because they were desperate for a quarterback.
Hans @LookItsHans
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@RichCimini Who's the better OLB prospect: Gregory or Beasley? [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Jetsmail][URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=JetsMail]#JetsMail [/URL] [/URL]
12:35 PM - 20 Feb 2015
@RichCimini: Depends on your defensive scheme. At 6-foot-6, 245 pounds, Gregory is a classic 3-4 outside linebacker. That's where he'd fit in Bowles' system. Gregory is an excellent pass-rusher, but he could use some sand in the pants, as scouts like to say. In other words, he needs more size and strength to anchor at the point of attack. Initially, he could be used as a third-down rusher. Some scouts say he's similar to Dion Jordan, which isn't a flattering comparison. Vic Beasley (6-3, 245) is a terrific player, but his size has some teams wondering about his position. He wouldn't be a good fit in the Jets' system, but he could fit as a weakside 'backer in a 4-3 system.