Cromartie on Milliner: Don’t say he’s a bust

Superman55

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Ok. Let's play that game. Year one was a wash.... But do you really want to use getting torched by the best QB in the game as a measuring stick vs, Geno playing, being historically awful, getting benched in 2014?

QB is far harder to play, no doubt. But Milliner hasn't done as poorly vs his peers at the same position as Geno has against his. You expect a rookie to have growing pains in year one. You don't expect them to regress in year two.

And yes... Despite his stat improvement in 2014' I believe Geno regressed in year 2. It just doesn't look as bad due to the anomaly of week 17 against Miami.

add to the fact that you can disguise bad CB play a lot easier than bad QB and can afford a longer learning curve. If your QB is playing awful, you simply cannot hide it. Rex tried last year and we ended up as a joke.

Milliner going into 2015 is like Geno going into 2014 in my eyes....however even then it will be harder to gauge his play as he wont be starting. I wouldn't even think about cutting bait with the kid until at least the 2016 season.

I never said cut either of them, and I respect that view, I just think they're both in "show me" years...with less pressure on Milliner.
 

maxmet

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what are the rules these days if he starts on PUP? how and when allowed back?

I think he needs further opportunity and I think we need to protect him so that he doesnt come back at 80 or 85% - need him fully healthy to learn and show what he can do
 

Superman55

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FLORHAM PARK, N.J. – It took his own teammate and a fellow cornerback to ask the most brazen of questions when New York Jets cornerback Dee Milliner addressed the media on Tuesday. It was Antonio Cromartie, who put his teammate Milliner on the spot about offseason rumors that he might be out of New York.

Milliner, already labeled a bust here in New York after two injury-riddled seasons with the Jets, spoke to the media on Tuesday at the start of minicamp, his first public comments since the end of last year. He's had two rough seasons in New York, including multiple benchings during his rookie season and then last year where he had season-ending an Achilles injury in mid-October.

Between the end of the year and now, the Jets signed three starting cornerbacks, two of who have Pro Bowl resumes in Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie. They are moves that likely make Milliner a backup on the depth chart.

So on Tuesday, Cromartie, who was in a jovial mood when he grabbed the microphone of the SNY television camera joined the scrum around Milliner, hit his teammate with two questions.

The first one was rather innocuous, with Cromartie asking: “Question here: How do you feel?”

“I feel great. I've been doing my rehab like I was supposed to, my treatment. I've been moving around, being able to cut, do some movements,” Milliner responded with a grin to Cromartie. “So I feel great.”

The grin slid away when Cromartie followed up:

“Do you feel confident going into the season? There's a lot of talk saying you're on the roster bubble, [that] you're here to make the team. Do you feel and have the confidence that you and in your ability that you can do the things you're supposed to do?”

Boom. With teammates like this, who actually needs an opponent come the regular season? Milliner, to his credit, answered the ticking time bomb well.

“Oh most definitely. When I come out there I do what I'm supposed to do. Do my work, get better each day,” Milliner said. “Compete like I'm supposed to, like nothing ever happened. Just be out there.”

Cromartie then turned to the reporters and smiled and walked away, handing over the SNY microphone and leaving the scrum. After Cromartie walked away, Milliner was asked by a reporter if he wanted his teammate's job. His response was timeless.

“Which one?” Milliner said. “Announcer or corner?”
 
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Mainejet

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Are people forgetting that he missed the entire 2014 season with an injury??

What we saw in 2013 was poor play the first 8 games but steady improve the final 8, and the last two games in particular he was lights out.

I don't understand why giving up on him is even a remote possibility. Nor should he be traded.

Cromartie is on a very team friendly deal, if he doesn't live up to standards, we are going to need another CB. Or imagine if someone gets injured.... Look what happened last year.

Milliner should be part of our long term plans.

From the number 1 Milliner critic lets get some things straight....

NO ONE is saying the Jets should give up on Milliner. It would be foolish to simply give up the 9th overall pick from just two seasons ago. Milliner will at least get this entire season, and I would advocate one more, to prove himself.

But when it comes to your post?! Enough with the lame A$$ nonsense. The article mentioning Milliner spells it out quite nicely. He came to the Jets with an injury. After finally being ready to play in the 2013 season, it was determined very quickly that his play was AWFUL. He got benched several times because he was offering up a gigantic hole on his side of the field.

Saying he improved through the 2nd half of the season is complete nonsense as well. He really only started to see a lot more playing time at the week 12 point of the season. When he started he was OK, nothing more, nothing less.

His last 2 games he played admittedly above average including one game against the pathetic and very underwhelming Miami Dolphins.:sleeping:

Last season he was a train wreck from start to finish. No other or more impressive way to put it.

At this point, this guy is nothing more than 100% bonafide BUM. A complete WASTE of the 9th overall pick.

My take on this guy is that he's a walking injury and an excuse maker. If this keeps up, the Jets should cut bait with the loser.

And that's the FACTS.
 
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sg3

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From the number 1 Milliner critic lets get some things straight....

NO ONE is saying the Jets should give up on Milliner. It would be foolish to simply give up the 9th overall pick from just two seasons ago. Milliner will at least get this entire season, and I would advocate one more, to prove himself.

But when it comes to your post?! Enough with the lame A$$ nonsense. The article mentioning Milliner spells it out quite nicely. He came to the Jets with an injury. After finally being ready to play in the 2013 season, it was determined very quickly that his play was AWFUL. He got benched several times because he was offering up a gigantic hole on his side of the field.

Saying he improved through the 2nd half of the season is complete nonsense as well. He really only started to see a lot more playing time at the week 12 point of the season. When he started he was OK, nothing more, nothing less.

His last 2 games he played admittedly above average including one game against the pathetic and very underwhelming Miami Dolphins.:sleeping:

Last season he was a train wreck from start to finish. No other or more impressive way to put it.

At this point, this guy is nothing more than 100% bonafide BUM. A complete WASTE of the 9th overall pick.

My take on this guy is that he's a walking injury and an excuse maker. If this keeps up, the Jets should cut bait with the loser.

And that's the FACTS.
Actually in amongst another long winded overstated raving rant, there is pretty much not even one single fact
 
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Mainejet

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Came to the Jets with an injury - FACT

Got benched several times by Rex because he was a liability on the field - FACT

Got injured in the 2014 preseason - FACT

Played a few very underwhelming games before going on injured reserve for the remainder of the 2014 season with a ruptured Achilles - FACT

That's NOT an opinion. Those are FACTS.
 

Mugatu

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Came to the Jets with an injury - FACT

Got benched several times by Rex because he was a liability on the field - FACT

Got injured in the 2014 preseason - FACT

Played a few very underwhelming games before going on injured reserve for the remainder of the 2014 season with a ruptured Achilles - FACT

That's NOT an opinion. Those are FACTS.


It's pretty much universally agreed on that he started 2013 poorly (as many rookies do), but he showed progress in the later part of the year. If you have issues calling it the second half, the call it the last third, or the last 1/5th. What does it matter, the point is that he showed progress.

Then he gets hurt early in 2014 and then has the Achillies injury (which has nothing to do with his pre existing issue with the shoulder)

Yet you want to slam him for missing 2014? Why?
That's a fluke injury that has nothing to do with performance.

Talk about being reactionary..
 
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Mainejet

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It's pretty much universally agreed on that he started 2013 poorly (as many rookies do), but he showed progress in the later part of the year. If you have issues calling it the second half, the call it the last third, or the last 1/5th. What does it matter, the point is that he showed progress.

Then he gets hurt early in 2014 and then has the Achillies injury (which has nothing to do with his pre existing issue with the shoulder)

Yet you want to slam him for missing 2014? Why?
That's a fluke injury that has nothing to do with performance.

Talk about being reactionary..

That's not being reactionary, that's called identifying the situation we find ourselves in.

Injuries matter when you're talking about how successful a young player has been. It directly affects the players bust/success status.

Well, Milliner has been injured 3 times in two seasons. Milliner has primarily had terrible play when he's been on the field. He has played a grand total of HALF the games since being drafted.

Now, you can stroke the loser all you want. But what is mentioned above constitutes, at this point, with all things considered, a BUM. A bust pure and simple.

That's not being reactionary, that's acknowledging all of the facts, good and bad, and then telling like it is.

As Ham already posted in another thread, and I still can't stop laughing about, Milliner needs to get a job before he can lose it.
 

jetfrantik

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It's pretty much universally agreed on that he started 2013 poorly (as many rookies do), but he showed progress in the later part of the year. If you have issues calling it the second half, the call it the last third, or the last 1/5th. What does it matter, the point is that he showed progress.

Then he gets hurt early in 2014 and then has the Achillies injury (which has nothing to do with his pre existing issue with the shoulder)

Yet you want to slam him for missing 2014? Why?
That's a fluke injury that has nothing to do with performance.

Talk about being reactionary..
Midget wants to slam any player that Idzik drafted (of course Wrecks had no say) to support his mancruch for his beloved Rex Ryan and his firing. He's hurt, and now a Buffalo Bills troll. This includes Smith, Amaro, McDougle, Milliner, Pryor and on and on. True story.
 
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sg3

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That's not being reactionary, that's called identifying the situation we find ourselves in.

Injuries matter when you're talking about how successful a young player has been. It directly affects the players bust/success status.

Well, Milliner has been injured 3 times in two seasons. Milliner has primarily had terrible play when he's been on the field. He has played a grand total of HALF the games since being drafted.

Now, you can stroke the loser all you want. But what is mentioned above constitutes, at this point, with all things considered, a BUM. A bust pure and simple.

That's not being reactionary, that's acknowledging all of the facts, good and bad, and then telling like it is.

As Ham already posted in another thread, and I still can't stop laughing about, Milliner needs to get a job before he can lose it.
Can you tell us how he got hurt in 2014 early in the season

In case you missed it up there deep in Pats territory, here is the FACT


Your beloved head coach WRECKS decided that it was critical to put his potential starting CB out on the field on the always all important Extra Point Coverage team. Maybe it was his idiotic never before in the NFL Special Teams coordinator, McGuaghey or maybe it was WRECKS himself but whichever it was irresponsible and just plain DUMB...

Maybe you can remember this FACT in your next hysterical rant on the greatness of WRECKS, how he was screwed by Woody and how it was ALL John Idziks fault.. a rant that is totally devoid of FACTS
 
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