He's a player in his 30s with a degenerative hip...I just hope he's plan c or d and not a day 1 signing...that would seem silly for a team with $50 mill in cap space....
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ucrenegade
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His expertise alone knowing the system would be worth bringing back for the right amount
It has to be for a cheap deal, and it has to be after the big names have already landed. I do not want Cromartie to be the "big upgrade" to the CBs this team makes.
well he may be a day 1 signing because of the possible ease of getting a deal done. but if the jets need as much help as at CB as many (including you) think, then i can see them adding cro right away and still adding a younger CB like jackson or maxwell.
for me, i was fine moving on from cro last year. but i guess he proved me (and the jets) wrong with his strong play. i agree with those above that say we shouldn't give him a huge deal, especially given his hip condition which could recur at any point. but a 2 or 3 year deal without a ton of guaranteed money makes a lot of sense if it's the direction bowles and mac want to go. and it wouldn't inhibit us from going after another CB.
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That is the main thing we can bring cro aboard and still have money to get another CB I think maxwell will lean towards atlanta, but with MAC having ties to the texans we should have a shot at kareem.
I'd actually try to sign him early - non huge but not rock bottom number.
Signing him lets us negotiate from a better posture with the other CB we sign
And if we strike out on guys on our list above him, there is risk that the market pushes his contract up to an unduly high level - if he is perceived as the last cover CB out there.
Discuss - once allowed - Cro, you have a house here, we want you back, you want to come back, whats a fair number. ...Get the deal done and then find another CB.
Signing him lets us negotiate from a better posture with the other CB we sign
And if we strike out on guys on our list above him, there is risk that the market pushes his contract up to an unduly high level - if he is perceived as the last cover CB out there.
Discuss - once allowed - Cro, you have a house here, we want you back, you want to come back, whats a fair number. ...Get the deal done and then find another CB.
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Agree
I would get Cro and Lupati signed the first day of FA.
Revis is probably going to re-sign with the Pats for what appears to be a monster contract. That is going to make the other CB's greedy. Cro wants to be here. Don't think he'll play cheap, but will take a fair deal. Can't let what happened last year happen again.
If we sign Cro, Maxwell and/or Jackson are not coming here. Cro can't play nickel at 32 with bad hips...he has to play outside. No way a 26 and 27 year old free agent CB, 2 of the best on the market, sign here knowing they will compete with Milliner to start...it wont happen. if we sign Cro, maxwell and Jackson sign elsewhere as the number 1 or number 1b CB...they wont undervalue themselves in a market where the cap is jumping $24 mill this year for all teams to potentially be a nickel back...wont happen.
I'd prefer Justin Houston and Maxwell....
if Houston is tagged, Maxwell and OG Franklin...
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flgreen
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Just don't see how signing Cro for 4 million affects any of the other CB's. If anything, it would encourage another CB to sign with the Jets. Just like Peterson is lobbying for Cro to return to the Cards, CB's want another dependable CB opposite them.
Right now Milliner isn't in the equation at all. He is off an Achilles, didn't play real well when he was healthy. Wasn't drafted by the current GM. If they sign Jackson to a big deal he won't be competing with Milliner, Cro will.
These guys will sign with who ever gives them the most money
That seems a bit pessimistic about Milliner. I'm not sure how much you can count on, but he's 7 years younger than Cromartie. Hip injuries are pretty much as bad for CBs as ankle injuries are.
I'd secure one of the two top CBs first, and then consider Cro. But I would not take him above, or before, them.
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We're not talking about a high ankle sprain here, it's an Achilles. In most cases worst then a knee. For a skill position player that is pretty pessimistic. Certainly not saying that it means his career is over, just that at best an Achilles takes two seasons to get to 100%.
He wasn't playing real well before the injury. He may be on the Pro Bowl team in 2016, but for 2015 you can't COUNT on him for anything
Yeah, I didnt get that point on Milliner other than this regime is not married to him. I agree this reginme is no more married to milliner than they are to geno...or Richardson, Amaro, or pryor...but I am sure this regime will give the kids a whirl and see where they land.
IMO, Milliner will get every shot to start...do the jets invest a ton of money in Jackson and/or Maxwell at $6-9 mill per season and gamble Milliner isnt a starting CB...maybe, I just dont honestly think they will invest that much in a CB "just in case" Milliner isnt good...because what if he is?
Also, the CB in trouble to me is McDougle...other guys in trouble may be Winters and Campbell from the old regime. I think Aboushi and Dozier will prove they're players and belong on the roster in some way shape or form...not sure Campbell, Winters, or mcDougle will...(remember, mcDougle hasnt played any football with live bullets in over 2 years, I think NFL speed is going to cause him to struggle, but lets hope not)....
I don't agree at all. Cro is an aging cb with no ego. And maxwell/Jackson would rather come to a team that doesn't suck. If the other cb is inferior, they will be targeted by opposing qb's, decreasing int opportunities for your number 1 cb. Increasing their leverage by improved stats.
There's no way either maxwell or Jackson think they are going to compete against Milner, that's silly. They know they are far superior to him, and he's coming off a bad injury. Hypothetically even if there was a true open competition, either maxwell or Jackson is first cro next, trailed by projects Milner and Mcdougle.
The cap is jumping 24 million? ??
I recall Milliner finishing up very well in 2013, after a rough start. He was thrown into the fire, took his knocks, and played outstanding those final 3-4 games. I'm not counting him out by any means. I think he's gonna be a good one.
But the injury to the Achilles is nonetheless a concern. He has to bounce back from that first.
Umm, well, that immediately crosses the jets off the list...dude, the jets suck. maybe we wont next year, but no one knows about next year, so I am 100% sure the free agents look at this 4-12 team as a 4-12 team, aka, they suck.
Also, you think free agents WRs look at the Bears and say, "yes, I'm Torrey Smith and the bears have Jeffrey and marshall, who may be aging but still is going to start, and in my prime I want to sit behind those two until Marshall decides it's time to retire," or he says, "I can go start in Minnesota, play for Norv turner and a young upcoming QB, and make more money?" You think he picks the Bears in this scenario?
Dude, players want to play. No NFL starting CB is coming here to play nickel....you can think that if you want, but reality is, Maxwell is going from starting in Seattle and in the Super Bowl, to having to battle Milliner for a starting spot? Not going to happen. he's signing where he knows he's the man..not where he "might be the man." if you want to think that's possible, that's fine too...I'm just saying reality is, that is not how the scenario would play out.
I think we'll add two corners this offseason Jackson or Maxwell and Cro. In regards to Cro, I'd offer him a one year deal(two max). His hip issue is reportedly chronic. It could be fine the whole year like it was in 2014, or it could act up in the preseason like it did in 2013, and he'd be useless for the season. I believe the hip is the real reason why he wasn't brought back for the 2014 season. He's shown a lot of maturity and leadership in recent years and obviously never wanted to leave. He needs to be used as a "bridge" player to developing, drafted talent.
I don't understand your premise, maxwell Jackson would not be competing with Milner they would be guaranteed number 1's, and there's no way we're getting both. So the scenario is maxwell or Jackson 1,Cromartie 2,with 2nd year guys behind them.
Why are you so hung up on Milner? The guy can't play and won't be100%for another season. Nobody is coming here thinking, "I don't know, Milner might stay over me?" And comparing Milner to Brandon Marshall! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't want to insult you, but that's insane. Milner is a severely injured bust. He's a project at best, and maybe there's a20%chance he will recover, improve, and become a pro bowler.
When I say the team sucks I mean, maxwell looking at Milner and Mcdougle as our only cb's, vs them as reserves with cro at 2, and themselves becoming the 1.suddenly that's a great nfl defense combined with our d line.
Credit to him, but honestly those were throw away games with eliminated opponents who were more concerned with not being injured. And coming back from Achilles, he may never be what he was, and won't be 100%for another year according to Dr's.