Did the Jets make a mistake by hiring Adam Gase?

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There’s no worse feeling than driving off a used car lot thinking that maybe you just got swindled.

The salesman’s presentation was so slick, the pitch so convincing, that you felt that you got the deal of the century. You became enamored by the possibility of turning someone else’s garbage into your gold.

Then, doubt slowly creeps in.

Did you just get sold a bill of goods?

Jets fans have already reached a watershed moment with Adam Gase. Were they duped into thinking that this failed former head coach would be their savior?

Was CEO Christopher Johnson’s declaration that a guy with a career losing record was an “innovator” and “coaching football to where it’s going” just propaganda designed to rile up the masses?

Full disclosure: I believed that Gase was a good hire (even though it would have been just as smart — if not smarter — to hire the forward-thinking Todd Monken to develop Sam Darnold).


Thankfully, I didn’t fork over millions to Gase.

“In this society, everybody wants everything to be perfect right away,” Gase said. “But it doesn’t always work out that way.”

Earth to Adam: Jets fans have endured heartache for the better part of a half century. They haven’t sniffed the playoffs in nearly a decade. They don’t need or deserve a lecture about patience from someone who has yet to win a game for their team.

Truth be told, Gase has some terrific ideas swimming around his head. It’s always been unfair to marginalize him as nothing more than Peyton Manning’s caddie.

It’s premature to bury Gase three games into his Jets tenure, but there have been troubling signs that must be addressed during the bye week.

“He’s never wrong,” said a league source who has worked with Gase in the past. “It’s always somebody else’s fault.”

Know this: The Jets will fail if Gase doesn’t change some specific elements of his leadership style and decision-making.

Gase and his apologists have scurried for excuses for Gang Green’s 0-3 start. But the truth stings. His offense ranks dead last in scoring, total yards, yards per play, passing yards and first downs per game. The Jets are 31st in third-down offense, 28th in rushing and 29th in yards per rush attempt.

Gase has lost six consecutive games as a head coach dating back to last year with the Dolphins. His teams have been outscored, 170-74, during that stretch. The average margin of defeat: 16 points. Gase’s last win: The Miami Miracle on Dec. 9, 2018 (Week 14).

By every objective measure, that stinks to high heaven.

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The folks downing pitchers of Kool-Aid compliments of the head coach have used the quarterback crutch as their primary lifeline for this offensive ineptitude, oblivious to the world around them.

The flawed refrain: How can we expect Gase to function without Darnold?

You know what type of people think like that?

Losers.

A snapshot of the NFL this week reveals that — gasp! — you can actually win games with inexperienced quarterbacks.

Exhibit A: The Panthers lost former NFL MVP Cam Newton. Did Ron Rivera and play caller Norv Turner whine? Nope. They got a second-year undrafted quarterback who spent the bulk of last season on the practice squad (Kyle Allen) to throw four touchdowns and generate 413 total yards in his second career start in a 38-20 road win.

Exhibit B: The Jaguars lost former Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles. Did Doug Marrone and play caller John DeFilippo feel sorry for themselves? Not exactly. They got a mustachioed rookie sixth-round quarterback (Gardner Minshew) to throw two touchdowns in a primetime win in his second career start.

Exhibit C: The Steelers lost future Hall of Famer Ben Roethlisberger. Did Mike Tomlin and play caller Randy Fichtner cry? No sir. They got second-year, third-rounder Mason Rudolph to throw two touchdowns and take a fourth-quarter lead before Pittsburgh’s defense gave up a game-winning score in the final minute.

Translation: You can play competitive football with an inexperienced signal caller that isn’t a high draft pick.

Gase was propped up by Johnson as a quarterback guru, but every Jets quarterback — including Darnold — hasn’t played well for him to this point. Gase’s offense has generated 11 points in 12 quarters and has been outscored by Gregg Williams’ defense (15 points) for Pete’s sake.

The Jets managed an unthinkable 2.2 yards per play and 105 total yards (third worst in franchise history) on Sunday.

That’s simply unacceptable regardless of the signal caller.

So, it was no secret why Le’Veon Bell admitted that Gase was outcoached after the debacle against the Patriots.
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When your best player makes that observation, you need to re-evaluate as a coach.

Will Gase do that?

It’s hard to know. On Sunday, Gase said that his game-plan would have been fine if the players executed his calls. After rightfully getting criticized for that, he walked it back on Monday.

Gase took a similar approach after his team choked away a 16-point lead to the Bills in the season opener. He initially absolved himself and the quarterback from blame, while throwing everyone under the bus. He changed his tune days later after getting public heat. So, it’s hard to truly know whether Gase actually believes what he’s saying after getting criticized.

Gase clearly is flawed, but I’m not ready to say that he can’t evolve. An 0-3 start is humbling, so perhaps he’ll grow and become a real leader through this experience.

Or maybe I’m just naive.

Either way, Gase’s leadership isn’t the only thing that must improve. He needs to be a better at X’s and O’s.

“We kept putting ourselves behind the sticks,” Gase said about his team’s woeful offensive performance in Foxborough. “We basically got knocked out of exactly what we wanted to do.”

Correction: You knocked yourself out of what could have done due to dubious play-calling.

Gase lamented facing too many third-and-longs on Sunday, but a closer look reveals that his decision making on first downs had a significant hand in putting his team in those unenviable positions.

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In a day and age when passing gets you to the next level, Gase had more than twice as many runs calls (13) than passes (6) on first downs. The Jets produced a grand total of 30 yards on those 13 runs, putting his team behind the sticks.

Smart coaches pass more often on first downs. Instead, Gase believed that running Bell into a wall of defenders made more sense. Then, he criticized his offensive line on Sunday and Monday.

I feel Gase’s pain with the line. His team isn’t close to perfect, but the supposed offensive guru didn’t do much of anything to help his team play competitive football.

He played it safe for the most part. He never actually called the game like he wanted to win it. This was a game that screamed for outside-the-box thinking. An onside kick, a flea-flicker, something unorthodox to try to spark his team.

The notion that the trickery would have been futile is a loser’s mindset. Winners try to figure out ways to make the impossible possible. Losers try to marginalize creativity by saying none of the razzle dazzle would have changed the outcome.

How can we win with all these injuries?!

Gase saved his worst decision for last by punting on 4th and 2 with 2:44 left in the fourth quarter of a two-score game instead of actually trying to win. Roberto Duran would have been proud.

It’s premature to discard Gase, but it’s fair to start wondering. Why should Jets fans have faith that he’s the right guy to turn things around?

“Well, the good thing is I’ve been in this position before,” Gase said when presented the question. “So, what I got to do is basically take this week, kind of get our offense straightened (out)… It’d be nice to get (Darnold) back. That always helps things. Because he makes some bad things go away.”

Gase needs to be honest with himself and stop blaming others. He has potential and promise, but he must make targeted changes in his leadership and decision-making or this entire operation is doomed to fail. He’s been a part of the problem.

It’s up to him to be a part of the solution now.
 

munchmemory

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I thought it was a mistake when we were even considering Gase. BTW, might be a good idea to attach a poll to your thread to see how folks here feel.
 

jets82

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I never even thought Gase was an option but he fit into the framework of what I wanted as a HC. He was under 40 years old, an offensive minded HC and in particular a former QBs coach. Ironically he fit into all of this but still he seems to be the wrong guy. The shit just ain’t fare! I will give him to the end of next year and I will be screaming to the high heavens to cut this guy loose if we aren’t headed in the right direction.
 

Bigmoe

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Oh no we must give him time

Peyton made a phone call

We must keep the continuity

Hes cut from the no nonsense Parcells cloth

If he turns this around
I’ll eat shit and bark at the moon

And pigs will fly outta my ass
 

Old#15

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People were saying the same thing about Frank Reich last year. The jets have been hamstrung by a series of injuries and illness to extremely key players. I think he has handled that pretty well, the record notwithstanding. The biggest culprit has been the offense because we have playing with a 3rd string QB for the last two weeks and the OL looks horribly out of sync. Not clear what is driving that, perhaps the QB situation, perhaps the OL is just a real bad fit for Gase's offensive scheme. If that's the case, Gase needs to make an adjustment because he can't overturn MikeM's criminal neglect of the unit. I want to see how both Gase and the team responds before any rash decisions.
 

AZSOJ

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After 52 years of watching the parade of fools ( not all coaches were bad) they call HC, I think I have an idea who competent and who maybe incompetent. IMHO, AG is the ladder. The article above paints a accurate picture and it would seem - based on his statements and posture on the sidelines - that has not learn from his Miami experience.

Frankly, the only reason the score wasn't higher last week was because BB did an uncharacteristic thing and took his foot off the gas. he probably recognized that the NYJ O was inept. When you can make last year's O team look good, you have issue. When you have 2/3 of the OL from last year playing (and that OL was rated as middel of the pack) and they seem confused, and suddenly totally incomptent resulting in being inept, then you part of the problem not the solution.

Even when AG got "his" type of players in Miami he still lost... what does that say about our prospects. Look I bought into the hype that AG was spinning but facts are facts. He is a losing HC that is ego centric and seems to stubborn (or to stupid) to look and the mirror and recognize he has issues beyond a losing record. Unless he changes, we are in for more dysfunction.

Finally, even when some of the players return, this team is flawed and is IMHO hampered by a conservative HC who just so happens to be the OPC in the likes of TB, I. E., 4th and 2 and punts, need I say more.
 

magicjohnson

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You bet it was a mistake. Not to say that Gase can't win a few games, but from the beginning of the season this team has been unprepared in every respect...both in game planning and depth.

There are plenty of examples of teams losing players to injury and/or sudden retirement who still remain competitive. The old boy scout motto was "Be Prepared"...so no Jets coaches or front office personnel were boy scouts in their youth??...if so they would have known to be prepared for every eventuality.

Coaching is all about having as many plans as necessary to get the job done and get it done correctly, even if you need to use the entire alphabet. (Plans B-Z)

I'm not a big fan of hiring someone simply based on a 3rd party opinion.
 
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Old#15

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How much of a genius was BillB last week when he had his 2nd string QB in the game? Fortunately for him, he could put Brady back in the game. Consider that we are playing our 3rd string guy for god's sake. I know it was only preseason, but Darnold running Gase's offense looked pretty good against opponents' #1s. Keep in mind that Darnold and the rest of the team was learning a new offense, so that makes it more impressive. I'm not being an apologist, but this needs time IMHO.
 

hatnlvr

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Honestly it's going to be tough to assess until Darnold, Herndon & Thomas are healthy and on the field. That being said, with our O Line play the offense is never going to be successful (we need to fire the O line coach like yesterday), and I saw ZERO creativity in game one with the offense.
 

NYJETSDAN16

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I feel like it is extremely early to state whether it was a bad decision.

Lets start off with the OLine: Never played a down together in the preseason. Enormous issue as this specific facet of the team needs to gel together inorder to get the most out of our prized off season acquisition in LeVeon Bell. Plus, if the the protection fails, the development of Sam Darnold will not only regress, but will end up like Trevor Siemien.

The defense:

Lets be clear, when we started off vs Buffalo, we were pitching a shut out. CJ Mosley is worth every penny owed. He anchored a no nonsense attitude that reverberated throught out the DLine and secondary...minus him, the ship had no captain.

Injuries: Like it or not, with out your key players and subbing them with below average players cant add up to victories....Luke Falk fellas, c'Mon..Luke Falk: A practice squad QB vs the New England Patriots and we're here blaming Gase??

What i'am advocating is giving Adam every possibility to game plan with a full arsenal:
Hendon, CJ, Darnold.. a cohesive OLine...

Make no mistake, In 2016 Gase started off 1-4 and ended the season at 10-6... The roster he currently has at hand with the Jets blows that Miami squad out of the water.

I wouldn't count AG just as yet.
 

butterscotch

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How much of a genius was BillB last week when he had his 2nd string QB in the game? Fortunately for him, he could put Brady back in the game. Consider that we are playing our 3rd string guy for god's sake. I know it was only preseason, but Darnold running Gase's offense looked pretty good against opponents' #1s. Keep in mind that Darnold and the rest of the team was learning a new offense, so that makes it more impressive. I'm not being an apologist, but this needs time IMHO.

Learning a new O......retreat first O
 

SackExchange

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I'd get rid of him now. And whomever comes in had better win. Does Gase's replacement get three losses before he's fired? Four? Maybe two?

Let's just fire the HC after every loss. That's how the best teams do it. No continuity. No building a system. Just fire people all the time.
 

munchmemory

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I'd get rid of him now. And whomever comes in had better win. Does Gase's replacement get three losses before he's fired? Four? Maybe two?

Let's just fire the HC after every loss. That's how the best teams do it. No continuity. No building a system. Just fire people all the time.

I'd argue that we don't do it that way. We kept both Rex and Bowles for years past when they should have been shit canned.
 

AZSOJ

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I'd argue that we don't do it that way. We kept both Rex and Bowles for years past when they should have been shit canned.

Thank you... AG is 0-6 his last six games. Sack, you mentioned that sometimes you have to let you playmakers make plays behind the LOS... agree but AG calls a conservative game, he did it in Miami and he is doing it here. His players are not suited for zone blocking yet he runs it and you have unblocked free runners to the QB...

I am all for continuity but they make pencils with erases for a reason.....
 

magicjohnson

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I'd get rid of him now. And whomever comes in had better win. Does Gase's replacement get three losses before he's fired? Four? Maybe two?

Let's just fire the HC after every loss. That's how the best teams do it. No continuity. No building a system. Just fire people all the time.

This discussion is more about whether or not it was a mistake to hire Gase to begin with...not so much about weather he should be fired. The Jets made their bed, now they must sleep in it, good or bad, at least for a while. If the team shows improvement throughout the season, then Gase may be forgiven for his slow start.

However, if there is no improvement and no wins...then yes, the F word is perfectly acceptable in this case given the fact that Adam Gase doesn't really have a whole lot of positive head coaching experience behind him.
 
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