Disgraceful remarks by Jets coaches

[Namath12]

ESPN had this story yesterday and Brian Costello reiterated these remarks in today's NY Post. Both stories stated that "Jet coaches (plural) said that Hack could not throw the ball into the river and had regressed this year. This is the most disgraceful statement I have ever seen from a coach on any level. First of all, this statement betrays a trust to the highest degree. Secondly, if it is true, what does that say about these coaches???!!!

This story accentuates the point that I made in the "Indictment of Gailey and Patullo (the QB coach) thread.It stands to reason that one of those two is the source for this story. Whichever one it was (Or, I guess the source could also have been a defensive coach who saw Hack when he ran the scout team offenses), he is an absolute low-life.

This story shows that Bowles not only needs to get better control of his players, but of the coaches as well. I'm curious to see if these poisonous stories end after much of the coaching staff is sent packing.

I'm neutral on Bowles. He has obvious defects, which hopefully will be reduced next year. One step would be to ditch disloyal coaches as well as players.

 

[Fudbutter]

Fredo, you’re my older brother, and I love you. But don’t ever take sides with anyone against the Family again. Ever.

 

[butterscotch]

& if they are true?

 

[jetgreen13]

& if they are true?

LOLz i hope you're not asking me??

 

[soj]

Well they might be distasteful, disrespectful and maybe even disloyal but if they are true then we are F****ed and it is an indictment of both Gailey and Patullo.

if Petty needs more coaching and I think he does along with more reps, what the hell does that say about Hack.

The real culprit is TB because he allow this to happen. Like Rex he focused on D and let CG run the O and we all saw how that worked. Frankly I am not very optimistic about 2017 guys.... esp with our sphinx HC who has shown he has neither the capacity to adjust to circumstances (remember how he preached about situational football...LOL) or the will to do so...because like REX he believes he is a good coach and knows what he is doing even though like us he saw the shit show that HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR!!!!!

 

[butterscotch]

Well they might be distasteful, disrespectful and maybe even disloyal but if they are true then we are F****ed and it is an indictment of both Gailey and Patullo.

if Petty needs more coaching and I think he does along with more reps, what the hell does that say about Hack.

The real culprit is TB because he allow this to happen. Like Rex he focused on D and let CG run the O and we all saw how that worked. Frankly I am not very optimistic about 2017 guys.... esp with our sphinx HC who has shown he has neither the capacity to adjust to circumstances (remember how he preached about situational football...LOL) or the will to do so...because like REX he believes he is a good coach and knows what he is doing even though like us he saw the shit show that HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR!!!!!

How about he guy that drafted hack LOL LOL LOL

But lets see what happens I just would not want to think hack is going to lead us in 2017.....We need another Cab for that

 

[hatnlvr]

Whether it is true or not, this is something that should never leave the organization (especially to the media)!!

I hope TB can figure out who did it because they need to go.

 

[Namath12]

Exactly my point. Hopefully, the culprits are among those who were fired.

 

[Mainejet]

I call that REFRESHINGLY HONEST! By saying that they are letting us know a few things:

1) Hack does absolutely suck. The pick was a complete waste of time and a very egregious instance of neglecting the need for immediate help like OL.

2) Mac is ALMOST as much to blame for this shit show as Todd Bowles.

I'm glad to hear things like this. Now, we know if the Jets do not do an immediate about face in 2017, it's time to fire both the HC and the GM.

 

[butterscotch]

I call that REFRESHINGLY HONEST! By saying that they are letting us know a few things:

1) Hack does absolutely suck. The pick was a complete waste of time and a very egregious instance of neglecting the need for immediate help like OL.

2) Mac is ALMOST as much to blame for this shit show as Todd Bowles.

I'm glad to hear things like this. Now, we know if the Jets do not do an immediate about face in 2017, it's time to fire both the HC and the GM.

MJ I am thinking if things get much worse would Woody think/try to move the jets for a fresh start......think about it

 

[gastineau]

Coaches saying that about Jets QB Drafted in 2nd round while predicted for 6-7th is NO surprise. Look Hackenburg was one of the WORST QB's in the Draft & the last time Hackenburg did well was his Freshman season. Any Scout woth his salt looking at him had to know this. Awful foot work passing & under Center in 3-5-7 step drop, inaccurate passer. He wasnt good at picking up Blitzes looking right at unblocked LB and didnt audible help on that side or quick pass to Blitzing side. High Risk QB with a lot of learn project player that could be a bust after 4 years in training. Jets shouldnt have Drafted him in 2nd. 1st & 2 rd players are must start players to fill needs.

 

[lounap23]

Coaches saying that about Jets QB Drafted in 2nd round while predicted for 6-7th is NO surprise. Look Hackenburg was one of the WORST QB's in the Draft & the last time Hackenburg did well was his Freshman season. Any Scout woth his salt looking at him had to know this. Awful foot work passing & under Center in 3-5-7 step drop, inaccurate passer. He wasnt good at picking up Blitzes looking right at unblocked LB and didnt audible help on that side or quick pass to Blitzing side. High Risk QB with a lot of learn project player that could be a bust after 4 years in training. Jets shouldnt have Drafted him in 2nd. 1st & 2 rd players are must start players to fill needs.

https://walterfootball.com/draft2016QB.php

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079275/christian-hackenberg

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/christian-hackenberg?id=2555416

I have no misgivings on what Hackenberg is but most scouts, draft sites, former nfl personnel guys had him projected anywhere from Round 1-3..... Was it a surprise he was taken by us at 2 .. YES.... and yes there were a few pundits that didn't lke Hackenberg at all to be drafted but the consensus had him in rounds 2 or 3.... Everyone knows Franklins runs a funky college Offense that a Pro Style QB doesn't fit..... Everyone knows how Franklin changed everything about Hackenberg's mechanics and footworks... Everyone knows Hackenberg is a project that was gonna be a 2-3 year project..... But us NY fans don't have the patience for that.... Maybe Hack does look bad right now.... Maybe these reports are bold face bullshit from these coaches..... Maybe these reports are completely fabricated nonsense (see anything Mehta writes).....

Bottom line is we need a QB guru that will help mold this kid properly. He has the size, he has the arm and he has the smarts... Oh and he is also only going to turn 22 in a month.... I have no idea if this kid will develop or not.. But I, and I might be the only one, am willing to wait till 2018 season or even the 2019 season to see what this kid has... Remember Aaron rodgers sat his first 3 years. granted Brett Favre was their and GB could be patient but this isn't a matter of could we be patient and develop this kid... it is a fact we should... short term pain for long term gain... And in the meantime you keep taking a QB in the draft till one of them hits a home run and becomes the guy....

We need to find that right recipe...

1. the right OC (Coaching wise)
2. the right QB
3. The right system.

We have to evaluate Hack and find the perfect coach and system for him.... and draft guys that will fit the OC coach and the system. If it was only that easy

 

[gmf1369]

Coaches saying that about Jets QB Drafted in 2nd round while predicted for 6-7th is NO surprise. Look Hackenburg was one of the WORST QB's in the Draft & the last time Hackenburg did well was his Freshman season. Any Scout woth his salt looking at him had to know this. Awful foot work passing & under Center in 3-5-7 step drop, inaccurate passer. He wasnt good at picking up Blitzes looking right at unblocked LB and didnt audible help on that side or quick pass to Blitzing side. High Risk QB with a lot of learn project player that could be a bust after 4 years in training. Jets shouldnt have Drafted him in 2nd. 1st & 2 rd players are must start players to fill needs.

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Sorry Gas but your take on this kid is completely wrong... Was he a project, yes but he has the platform to build upon... I had this kid ranked 61st overall but a third round prospect... Why we took him with the 2nd could only be that the Texans were planning to grab him with their 3rd (which was way ahead of ours)... He was the fifth QB on the board in overall body of work, right before Dak Prescott but after Connor Cook... He was the fourth taken off the board... Before anyone says oh well Dak is better, no Dak is in a better situation... If Hackenberg went to Dallas he would be as successful maybe even more so with his effortless throwing motion...

There are no guarantees in this world but in a perfect world, Geno Smith wouldn't of gotten killed behind our project O-Line and Petty nor Hack would of seen the field this season as the team wanted to do so... Having two prospects to develop over time while allowing the veterans to have their shots was the plan but it never works out that way especially in New York with the Jets...

Understanding defenses and pre snap reads is what he is good at, college to pros are two different beasts but the concepts he is able to grasp at better than any quarterback coming out of college... His moxy, willing to take a beaten and come back to the huddle to fight with his team mates shows his willingness and desire... He has that effortless throwing motion, able to hit all levels... His footwork based on his freshman season showed he is capable... But after that season he was always running for his life because his o-line sucked worse than our current lineup...

Christian's upside is steep but there is room for potential... With the right qb coach and game plan he can develop into a good maybe great signal caller... One thing he has than any other qb we drafted in the last decade is he is a northeast product... Meaning he can play in rain, snow and windy weather as he did in college station... As we seen Petty flounder playing in the rain in Foxboro, this won't be the same for this kid...

This off season is his off season with Petty shelved in recovery...

 

[rxd]

The most ridiculous thing about this is how does a player you are coaching regress? What does that say about your ability to coach?


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[Namath12]

The most ridiculous thing about this is how does a player you are coaching regress? What does that say about your ability to coach?


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That and the fact that a coach would leak the info to a reporter.

 

[Elias]

The most ridiculous thing about this is how does a player you are coaching regress? What does that say about your ability to coach?


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That and the fact that a coach would leak the info to a reporter.

absolutely right. A young player like Hack should only be developing and improving. If true, we'll find out soon enough. It either speaks volumes about Hack not putting in the work or speaks volumes about the scum coach we have/had.

 

[mykcuz]

absolutely right. A young player like Hack should only be developing and improving. If true, we'll find out soon enough. It either speaks volumes about Hack not putting in the work or speaks volumes about the scum coach we have/had.

I think the story is bs. Bowles brought in brand new coaching staff, I doubt any of these strangers befriended Manish. It's probably a towel boy or a complete lie.
Hack definitely has talent and potential. There are no guarantees any qb will actually develop, but this story is out of line with what we have seen. He was always a red shirt, the Jets made a rare move to protect him and do things the right way.

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[lounap23]

I think the story is bs. Bowles brought in brand new coaching staff, I doubt any of these strangers befriended Manish. It's probably a towel boy or a complete lie.
Hack definitely has talent and potential. There are no guarantees any qb will actually develop, but this story is out of line with what we have seen. He was always a red shirt, the Jets made a rare move to protect him and do things the right way.

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It's complete BS.... From the minute he was drafted the Jets FO and CS did things and even said things that made it very clear he was a project with huge upside that they wanted to develop. And he wasn't gonna see the filed this year... So this article claiming Hack's mechanics are bad, , his accuracy is terrible, him not playing this year speaks volumes; is a complete made up, piece of shit story. From a POS beat writer that does nothing but write headline attention grabbing BS stories.....And quite honestly, sorry guys, I am losing respect for anyone on this board that puts any weight in anything MM writes.... Like I said a few weeks ago on another thread... Next year I will be writing my article of the week.. gonna pull straight from my A** and I guarantee it will be more accurate and more entertaining then anything he writes.

 

[gastineau]

Normally guys like a Project Player ,he is a 6th-7th round pick in Draft. Now NFL teams & Scouts run big rumors around as the Draft gets closer building up Project Players in hope some team will fall for this & hope some team grab him way before. They do this to move up in the round. So Jets taking a KNOWN big Project Player Hackenburg who was the worst QB in Draft at 2nd round was a huge move up for all teams. This is why as the Draft gets closer teams build up certain Players like Hackenburg so better odds Players falling to them if some new GM falls for it. Look this kid has done nothing in college except freshman year. He has horrid foot work & inaccurate passer with many other basic issues to fix before even being a back up. Bryce Petty is light years ahead of Hackenburg on many basics, but has a lot to learn about NFL Offensive system because of the College he came from. Dak Prescott at 4th was obviously a better pick looking at his College play than Hackenburg & he fell to 4th. Any way you cut it Jets got duped into Drafting a 6th-7th round pick over known better College QB's in their last 2-3 seasons at QB where Hackenburg hasnt played good in last 3 years of College. Jets will waste time & money on Hackenburg to get him close to being a back up & then cut him & another team will then grab himknowing they might have to spend on 1-2 years for him as a starter. Why waste time & money for helping another team with him? swallow Jets pride & Cut him! I bet very few teams will grab him, if any.

 

[lounap23]

Normally guys like a Project Player ,he is a 6th-7th round pick in Draft. Now NFL teams & Scouts run big rumors around as the Draft gets closer building up Project Players in hope some team will fall for this & hope some team grab him way before. They do this to move up in the round. So Jets taking a KNOWN big Project Player Hackenburg who was the worst QB in Draft at 2nd round was a huge move up for all teams. This is why as the Draft gets closer teams build up certain Players like Hackenburg so better odds Players falling to them if some new GM falls for it. Look this kid has done nothing in college except freshman year. He has horrid foot work & inaccurate passer with many other basic issues to fix before even being a back up. Bryce Petty is light years ahead of Hackenburg on many basics, but has a lot to learn about NFL Offensive system because of the College he came from. Dak Prescott at 4th was obviously a better pick looking at his College play than Hackenburg & he fell to 4th. Any way you cut it Jets got duped into Drafting a 6th-7th round pick over known better College QB's in their last 2-3 seasons at QB where Hackenburg hasnt played good in last 3 years of College. Jets will waste time & money on Hackenburg to get him close to being a back up & then cut him & another team will then grab himknowing they might have to spend on 1-2 years for him as a starter. Why waste time & money for helping another team with him? swallow Jets pride & Cut him! I bet very few teams will grab him, if any.

Hindsight in the comparison to Dak is 20/20..... Most people felt Hack was a 2nd or 3rd round pick.... and lots, Lots, LOTS of teams get duped in the draft with players all the time.... Also Tom Brady was a 6th Rd pick..... If some team grabbed him in the 2nd rd cause maybe the saw something no one else did and e went on to have the same career with the Superbowl appearances and victories he had... And guess what if Brady was cut by said team after year 1, not many if any teams would ahve picked him up either. But that Front Office that would ahve taken a gamble and grabbed Brady in the 2nd rd would go down as the best talent evaluators ever... My point is until Hack gets on the field and plays we all should reserve judgement on him and the pick.... And we certainly shouldn't listen to any reports that come from MM. And for the record Hack graded out as a 1st rd pick and as it got closer to the draft he started grading out lower....

So none of us can say one way or the other what he will be but it's so much easier saying a guys gonna be a bad pick and he is a bad pick... So much harder saying a guy is a good pick and will be a good pick...... I'm not saying either but what I am and have said is Hackenberg is the best kind of QB to have... Tall, Smart, great arm, great throwing motion... needs to work on footwork. I'll take a gamble on that guys especially if you throw in as a freshman he ran a pro offense extremely well and as a sophomore and junior he was asked to change everything about the way he throws and plays and he digressed.... All the info going into the draft said 2nd and 3rd rd..... and rumors had several teams taking Hack before we would get back on the board in Rd 3. The Browns,Pats ( yes the pats), Bears Bills and Cowboys all had been reported to want him in Rd3 before us.... So again lets wait and see what the kid can do when he plays before we pass judgement...