Do you believe that the current regime views Hackenberg as the future starter?

[jets82]

After thinking on it, I'm happy they did not draft a QB this year. Unless they would have found the next Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady, then there was no point in it this year. It would have made things more complicated. Now they can strictly focus on Hack's development and maybe even Petty. Let them fight it out for the position and play the entire year. I'm guessing Hack has the green light as long as he earns the job. If Hack is half way decent, they win about 5-6 games and draft in the top ten for a monster oline men or a monster skilled offensive player. If he is horrible, then win 1-2 games and they draft that QB with the number 1 or 2 pick. .

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I don't want to draft a QB next year. I want Hack or Petty to be the franchise guy. Plenty of later round QB's have been great QB's. Much more likely to be a bust in the 1st round. Getting rid of the old guys, Richardson/Pryor and losing Smith hopefully for good and replacing with young athletic guys could make for an interesting season. Lets hope Mac hit home runs this year.

 

[lounap23]

After thinking on it, I'm happy they did not draft a QB this year. Unless they would have found the next Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady, then there was no point in it this year. It would have made things more complicated. Now they can strictly focus on Hack's development and maybe even Petty. Let them fight it out for the position and play the entire year. I'm guessing Hack has the green light as long as he earns the job. If Hack is half way decent, they win about 5-6 games and draft in the top ten for a monster oline men or a monster skilled offensive player. If he is horrible, then win 1-2 games and they draft that QB with the number 1 or 2 pick. .

Try to remember this... Dak was never gonna see any significant action if it wasn't for 2 major injuries...and even then the cowboys almost signed a veteran to start and the Jones' made the decision to just let the young guys roll and see what happens. When Dak, Russel and Tom were drafted and Aaron quite frankly not one of those teams knew what they were getting... They all, with the exception on GB and Aaron, all where hoping to develop a quality backup in their system possibly starter. None thought franchise guy.. So When you ahve 2 young guys that you haven't seen much of the Jets are hoping 1 becomes a very good starter and the other a very good backup... If they knew there was a Dak , Russel etc they would have drafted him at 6 without hesitation... You don't know when you are gonna find a guy like that. The Mannings, the Lucks of the world are rare.. Very few guys you know without a doubt will be a franchise guy and

 

[jets82]

Try to remember this... Dak was never gonna see any significant action if it wasn't for 2 major injuries...and even then the cowboys almost signed a veteran to start and the Jones' made the decision to just let the young guys roll and see what happens. When Dak, Russel and Tom were drafted and Aaron quite frankly not one of those teams knew what they were getting... They all, with the exception on GB and Aaron, all where hoping to develop a quality backup in their system possibly starter. None thought franchise guy.. So When you ahve 2 young guys that you haven't seen much of the Jets are hoping 1 becomes a very good starter and the other a very good backup... If they knew there was a Dak , Russel etc they would have drafted him at 6 without hesitation... You don't know when you are gonna find a guy like that. The Mannings, the Lucks of the world are rare.. Very few guys you know without a doubt will be a franchise guy and

And you try and remember this, obviously Dak, Russell and Tom weren't expected to be great QBs or they would have been picked in the first round but what's makes the difference here is the player. Either you have it or you don't. Yes the system can make a difference but a player that has it will do well at least in any system. In a great system they will do great obviously. Dak may have been slated to sit but he was ready to play from day one at a decent rate atleast and proved it every chance he got. That's why they decided to go with him and we all saw the results.

In our situation it's no different, either Hack has it or he doesn't. Some may take alittle longer to get there but they still will get there. So the fact he sat a year doesn't mean anything RIGHT NOW but it will if he doesn't so some sort of promise this year, IMHO. A. Rodgers situation was different. He probably was ready to go and play decent atleast year one but look who he was playing behind. He waiting theee years because of the Brett Farve controversy, not because he wasn't ready to play. So this year will be a very interesting one and we'll all get a chance to see a young team grow together.

 

[lounap23]

And you try and remember this, obviously Dak, Russell and Tom weren't expected to be great QBs or they would have been picked in the first round but what's makes the difference here is the player. Either you have it or you don't. Yes the system can make a difference but a player that has it will do well at least in any system. In a great system they will do great obviously. Dak may have been slated to sit but he was ready to play from day one at a decent rate atleast and proved it every chance he got. That's why they decided to go with him and we all saw the results.

In our situation it's no different, either Hack has it or he doesn't. Some may take alittle longer to get there but they still will get there. So the fact he sat a year doesn't mean anything RIGHT NOW but it will if he doesn't so some sort of promise this year, IMHO. A. Rodgers situation was different. He probably was ready to go and play decent atleast year one but look who he was playing behind. He waiting theee years because of the Brett Farve controversy, not because he wasn't ready to play. So this year will be a very interesting one and we'll all get a chance to see a young team grow together.

No one going into the draft or right after the draft believed Dak could play as a rookie. I remember in rookie OTA's they talked about they like what they saw but he was rw and needed some polish and were happy he can sit 2 years min behind Romo and learn ... LOL But He proved it once the chance was thrust upon him at training camp. With that said I have said it for years. 3 things go into a QB Success.

1. The right system (OC)
2. The right coaching (HC)
3. Timing

And right now #1 is questionalble because we have no clue exactly what Morton will do. #2 is a huge question mark.. Last year was a big learning year for Bowles I hope and #3 well, I think the timimg is right for one of these young guys to step up and be successful if #1 and 2 are there.

 

[jets82]

No one going into the draft or right after the draft believed Dak could play as a rookie. I remember in rookie OTA's they talked about they like what they saw but he was rw and needed some polish and were happy he can sit 2 years min behind Romo and learn ... LOL But He proved it once the chance was thrust upon him at training camp. With that said I have said it for years. 3 things go into a QB Success.

1. The right system (OC)
2. The right coaching (HC)
3. Timing

And right now #1 is questionalble because we have no clue exactly what Morton will do. #2 is a huge question mark.. Last year was a big learning year for Bowles I hope and #3 well, I think the timimg is right for one of these young guys to step up and be successful if #1 and 2 are there.

This is exactly what I'm saying and thank you for pointing it out. If the Cowboys or anybody else thought that Prescott was going to turn out to be what he is then they would've drafted him in the first round. The same thing with Brady and Wilson. What made the difference, of course the coaching staff and the system has something to do with it but it's primarily the player. Either you have it or you don't and Dak and all of these other players obviously has it. Hopefully that will be the case the Hack. To your third point of timing, I guess and hopefully it's a second-year thing for Hack. Just like it was for Brady but for Dak and Wilson it was the first year thing. For Rogers it was a fourth year thing, which was shitty for him because he probably was ready to go year one or two at max.

 

[lounap23]

This is exactly what I'm saying and thank you for pointing it out. If the Cowboys or anybody else thought that Prescott was going to turn out to be what he is then they would've drafted him in the first round. The same thing with Brady and Wilson. What made the difference, of course the coaching staff and the system has something to do with it but it's primarily the player. Either you have it or you don't and Dak and all of these other players obviously has it. Hopefully that will be the case the Hack. To your third point of timing, I guess and hopefully it's a second-year thing for Hack. Just like it was for Brady but for Dak and Wilson it was the first year thing. For Rogers it was a fourth year thing, which was shitty for him because he probably was ready to go year one or two at max.

LOL I had a feeling we were arguing the same point...

 

[gastineau]

Since the Merger not many QB's from 5 to 7th round become a Franchise Player & those who did Played better after their freshman year & not worse. Hackenburg has a big arm but not accurate passer from screen to long bombs down field. He panicked all the time at QB making very poor decisions. This was why he was ranked as a boom or bust player & ranked for 6-7th rounds. But who knows, maybe after 3 years he can be a functional average QB. I hope he is & always pull for every QB Jets Draft even QB's like Sanchez. Sanchez with limited games in College looked better than Hackenburg & how is Sanchez now? Looking to be a back up.

 

[lounap23]

Since the Merger not many QB's from 5 to 7th round become a Franchise Player & those who did Played better after their freshman year & not worse. Hackenburg has a big arm but not accurate passer from screen to long bombs down field. He panicked all the time at QB making very poor decisions. This was why he was ranked as a boom or bust player & ranked for 6-7th rounds. But who knows, maybe after 3 years he can be a functional average QB. I hope he is & always pull for every QB Jets Draft even QB's like Sanchez. Sanchez with limited games in College looked better than Hackenburg & how is Sanchez now? Looking to be a back up.

You have a lot of hate for Hack... I'm not sold on him either but as stated before most scouts, experts and pundits had him as Rd2 or Rd 3 pick.. Not 6th or 7th

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profil...erg?id=2555416

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...ian-hackenberg

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingre...hackenberg.php


Hate him all you want.. Say you think he should have been a 6th or 7th round guy.,. But he wasn't ranked to be a 6th or 7th rd guy... Some hated him like you but most had him late 1st and 2nd and consensus was probably a 3rd....

 

[jets82]

LOL I had a feeling we were arguing the same point...

I was thinking the same thing????????, Lol!!!!!!!!!!

 

[USANYJ]

I think he took such a beating it regressed him. I have never seen a beating like that. Reminded me of David Carr in his Texan days. There seem to be reports of optimism... Brandon Marshall said so and buster skrine just came out and said the kid has it

 

[isired]

And you try and remember this, obviously Dak, Russell and Tom weren't expected to be great QBs or they would have been picked in the first round but what's makes the difference here is the player. Either you have it or you don't. Yes the system can make a difference but a player that has it will do well at least in any system. In a great system they will do great obviously. Dak may have been slated to sit but he was ready to play from day one at a decent rate atleast and proved it every chance he got. That's why they decided to go with him and we all saw the results.

In our situation it's no different, either Hack has it or he doesn't. Some may take alittle longer to get there but they still will get there. So the fact he sat a year doesn't mean anything RIGHT NOW but it will if he doesn't so some sort of promise this year, IMHO. A. Rodgers situation was different. He probably was ready to go and play decent atleast year one but look who he was playing behind. He waiting theee years because of the Brett Farve controversy, not because he wasn't ready to play. So this year will be a very interesting one and we'll all get a chance to see a young team grow together.

Our situation is VERY different. One of the primary issues with young/inexperienced QBs is the game being too fast for them. Experience usually slows it down. The only other thing that can help slow it down prior to experience kicking in is a great OL. Dallas has one. We don't.

 

[jets82]

Our situation is VERY different. One of the primary issues with young/inexperienced QBs is the game being too fast for them. Experience usually slows it down. The only other thing that can help slow it down prior to experience kicking in is a great OL. Dallas has one. We don't.

Correct but that's no excuse for Hack not to play this year and contribute in some kind of good way. Once again, either he has it or he doesn't. Not expecting him to put up Dak kind of numbers but even on this shitty team, he should show some kind of promise. He has sat a full year, didn't dress at all until the last 3-4 games and should have learned enough to get him on the field. The experience part will have to come and show in training camp and pre-season. Hopefully it will enough for him to be the game one starter and show some promise through the year. If not, Sam Donald will be a Jets because they will win 2-3 games at most, if Hack sucks that bad, LOL!!

 

[USANYJ]

Joe Namath just gave his vote of confidence. Whatever that's worth at this point.

 

[NewMFS62]

Paraphrasing a line from the movie Starship Troopers, "Hack, The job is yours, until you get killed or I find somebody better".

Later

 

[isired]

Correct but that's no excuse for Hack not to play this year and contribute in some kind of good way. Once again, either he has it or he doesn't. Not expecting him to put up Dak kind of numbers but even on this shitty team, he should show some kind of promise. He has sat a full year, didn't dress at all until the last 3-4 games and should have learned enough to get him on the field. The experience part will have to come and show in training camp and pre-season. Hopefully it will enough for him to be the game one starter and show some promise through the year. If not, Sam Donald will be a Jets because they will win 2-3 games at most, if Hack sucks that bad, LOL!!

Oh I agree, I think Hack has to play this year and show something. If not, they're taking one of the top 4 QBs, and they're not taking a QB that high to sit him. IMO if Hack shows nothing this year, he's fighting for QB2 for the remainder of his time here.

 

[NCgreen12]

My ideal would be for the Jets to play extremely competitive games that they barely lose, securing the top pick and being able to hand-select the top QB of their choice. They will then be setting that QB into a franchise where there is a lot of young, rising talent, and in a couple years, they all mature into a top-caliber team.

+1. Keep the team competitive and optimistic for the following year and FINALLY get our stud under center for the next umpteenth years.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

NO, I don't believe they view Hack or Petty as the answer, otherwise both would have played more last year and they would be leaking glowing reports about one or the other to the media, but I do believe one of the other, maybe both, will be given a real opportunity to show what they can do this year, if nor Bowles should be fired.

Lastly, IMO we didn't draft a QB this year because the QB class stunk and next years QB class is off the charts, so we figured we might as well see what these kids can do, and if they can't get it done, we can draft an elite QB prospect in next years draft.

 

[mykcuz]

Not crazy. Here's my thinking:

You already have two projects on the roster, Petty and Hack. Was there a QB at all in this draft who was more than a project? Trubisky needs reps. Watson wins, but his measurables are off. Mahomes has great attributes and rough mechanics and decision-making skills.

Unless you're drafting a sure thing in 2017, let your current projects pan out or fail before bringing in yet another project. Next year is your year to get a sure thing, if Hack or Petty fail.

Bingo, all projects this year, and no room on the depth chart, and no qbs were worth a first round pick.

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[mykcuz]

This was the plan when hack was drafted, except petty is hurt. There weren't any qbs this year that made mac change directions.

Hack say the year as planned, now will compete in a full pre season as a possible qb1. With petty hurt, hack and mccown will have equal reps until one emerges as the clear starter.

If its not hack, then he will compete with petty for qb2. The loser will be cut next year in favor of Sam darnold. Next year we will only carry 2qbs.

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