Fear of player revolt is why Bowles won't name Petty Jets starter

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Daily News -- Todd Bowles' curious refusal to name Bryce Petty the starting quarterback from this point forward makes a little more sense when you uncover the coach's delicate balancing act.

There are rumblings on One Jets Drive that Bowles is concerned his team will check out if he plays the second-year signal caller against the Patriots on Nov. 27. There's little debate that Ryan Fitzpatrick is better than Petty and rookie Christian Hackenberg, but it's fair to question the logic of playing a veteran quarterback who won't be back next season for a 3-7 team that’s already out of the playoff picture.

The cold harsh truth is that Petty, for all the improvements that he's made since entering the league from Baylor's spread system, still has a very long way to go before gaining faith from the organization. Eye witnesses in practice believe Petty is still so far behind Fitzpatrick and that Bowles would lose credibility with his players if he went with the inferior signal caller with six games left in the season.

General manager Mike Maccagnan insisted this week that he'll consult with Bowles, but the head coach will make the ultimate decision on the starting quarterback. The general manager and head coach are on parallel tracks in Woody Johnson's power structure, so Maccagnan isn't in a position to deliver an edict (which is another problem for a different day).

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On the surface, it seems like a no-brainer: Give Petty a two-month audition to properly evaluate him before determining the best course of action in the offseason.

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Bryce Petty has a long way to go in convincing the Jets that he can be the team’s quarterback in 2017.

"You'd like to see young players play, but you also want to make sure they're ready for that," Maccagnan said. "It's a more complicated decision than some people realize."

"You think of different aspects when you decide on making a change, especially at that position, because it affects other players on the team, too," the GM. added. "If you're trying to determine what gives you the best chance to be successful, but also if you're looking how players develop and progress, I think the point I would simply make is you just don't do it. You don't just wing it. ... It's not a decision you take lightly. You also want to make sure the player … is ready to a degree to set them up for success."

Two-part translation: A) The brain-trust thinks Petty isn't close to ready yet and B) They're worried that some veterans will quit on Bowles if they don't treat the quarterback position as a meritocracy.

Bowles has been maligned for various reasons during this forgettable season, but he's no dummy. He knows that Fitzpatrick clearly gives him the best opportunity to win now, but the organization needs time to properly evaluate Petty. He shouldn't even have to worry about players quitting on him. Alas, he does.

The concern in the building is that Petty won't have the proper support from some veterans, who will mail it in. It's a precarious position for Bowles, who, frankly, doesn't need this headache right now.

Sure, true professionals should play hard no matter which choice the brain trust makes, but the reality is that some players will indeed quit if they believe that the organization has closed the book on 2016 with an eye on evaluating players for the future. (The Jets should get rid of those players when they reveal themselves in the coming weeks, by the way).

Bowles isn't immune from criticism though. Ask yourself this question: If Fitzpatrick wasn't healthy enough to start last week against the Rams, then why was he active at all? Why wasn't Hackenberg the No. 2 quarterback behind Petty?

The answer: Hackenberg is light years away from being ready to play in a real game. Bowles, Maccagnan and just about everyone else in the organization knows and sees that. The rookie is not any kind of option at the moment.

"We also want to make sure we don't set a timetable in there to what he may eventually be," Maccagnan said. "Our goal is to develop him. If he can fulfill his potential, then, obviously, that's good for us."

Holding your breath on this one is not recommended. It could be a while.

So, the Jets, who have started 29 quarterbacks since a guy in a fur coat delivered their one and only Super Bowl five decades ago, have a familiar conundrum. Petty and Hackenberg, who have one career start between them, are the only quarterbacks under contract for next season. Throwing them into the fire over the final two months would make perfect sense if not for some of the realities facing Bowles & Co.

"You're kind of looking at short term and long term at the same time," Maccagnan said. "I don't necessarily think you're locked into just saying, 'Okay, let's just go with the young guy and see what happens.' At some point in time, we may decide to do that. You do want to set your players up for potential for success, too. It's obviously a very difficult position to play."

It becomes more difficult when players in your locker room aren't on board with the decision.
 

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If this is the case, it is worth starting Petty to see who does lay down so they can be benched and cut
 

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If this is the case, it is worth starting Petty to see who does lay down so they can be benched and cut
I feel like you can't build a team workout these types of players in today's nfl. Too many teams leads to a lower percentage of players with a true love of football. Some people are just poor kids making millions off a kids game.

That's the challenge in today's watered down nfl, getting the right mix of star power and role players,then inspiring them to play their hearts out. Remember most players are barely adults.

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If this is the case, it is worth starting Petty to see who does lay down so they can be benched and cut

Exactly. This team lacks leadership and needs to be blown the F up!! Leonard Williams might be the only positive on this team worth keeping.
 

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Forget about petty, why is Revis still our cb1? Every time he's come off the field, his backup has fared well. Why has Bowles not coached Revis? Why is he not putting the defense in the best position to win? Revis sucks and Bowles won't change our d. Belichick won a super bowl with Revis at cb2 and getting help. We stick him in a bad spot for him to succeed,for what? To see if he can let up a historic amount of yardage?

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If this is the case, it is worth starting Petty to see who does lay down so they can be benched and cut

I agree 100%.... I do feel like this story is fabiricate but if it is true then cut them all.. Blow it up and start over... I would be 100% ok with another terrible season if it means ridding us of players with character that refuses to play for Petty when clearly Fitz has been hot garbage all year..
 

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I agree 100%.... I do feel like this story is fabiricate but if it is true then cut them all.. Blow it up and start over... I would be 100% ok with another terrible season if it means ridding us of players with character that refuses to play for Petty when clearly Fitz has been hot garbage all year..
you would think right??

parcells, (who bowles is somehow a disciple of) would embrace this situation.. that said, parcells only needed one season at a new spot to weed out guys who were just in it for the paycheck..

not saying bowles doesn't recognize guys in his locker room that don't give two spits about accountability.. hell, he was absolutely a lunch pail NFL player, with marginal NFL talent, who had a long NFL career & was legitimately part of a championship in washington..

i'm saying bowles doesn't hold his players anywhere close to the accountability level he clearly had to hold himself to when he was playing..
 

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A lot of old deadwood on this team. I personally would put Revis on special teams and second string for the rest of the season. Let 'em rot.
 

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Bowles worried players are GOING to quit?!?
It looks to me that most of the highest paid players have mailed it in. The last time i saw Wilkerson hustling was on that treadmill in the offseason.
Richardson, if he would only play as good of a game as he talks about or thinks he's playing, that would be great.
Revis, it is that time to see if he can play free safety. The only time you see #21, Gilchrist, is on the back end of an ESPN highlite, with the other team scoring a TD.
If Bowles is worried about this lot, then he really hasn't been watching the game film and is definitely not holding everyone accountable for their play.
 

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Bowles worried players are GOING to quit?!?
It looks to me that most of the highest paid players have mailed it in. The last time i saw Wilkerson hustling was on that treadmill in the offseason.
Richardson, if he would only play as good of a game as he talks about or thinks he's playing, that would be great.
Revis, it is that time to see if he can play free safety. The only time you see #21 is on the back end of an ESPN highlite, with the other team scoring a TD.
If Bowles is worried about this lot, then he really hasn't been watching the game film and is definitely not holding everyone accountable for their play.


So true..... But seriously I think the story is typical Manish BS!!! It's a sensational piece that is easy to believe.
 

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It just lets everyone know what the media side on this matter is. That it doesn't matter what this team is doing if they continue losing. Put Fitz behind an OL that hasn't had all the pieces in place from the start of this season, or take the chance putting an inexperienced QB because he can't do any worse. Well, we've had both starting QB's go down to injury but the truth is really poor protection up front. The team has lost the identity of a run first team and for the lack of line production, placed the ball in Fitz hands to throw more than necessary. Coaching plays a big part here as well as execution of said call. Blame is really all around. This time of year is when fine tuning is done and it's known what type of team there is. But, when there's constant breakdowns in communication, missed assignments, poor tackling, dropped balls, and inaccurate passing, games get lost. Sure, throw in another QB cause it can't get worse. We could put Dak Prescott behind this line and witness the absolute same. This is team ball. One can make a difference but one can't win on their own. Everyone needs to do their jobs, and drop the egos. From the coaching, to the execution of plays, to keeping their assignments. Everyone on the same page. It's not easy watching games these days.

In voicing all of this, everyone should be put on notice. Anyone seen quitting on plays doesn't play period. It's a disservice to all who pay money to support this team and league. They're professionals, but that isn't what's being put out on the field. At this point I don't care what big named player plays, just play like you're a part of an organization determined and dedicated to winning; and do your damn job!
 
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Long and short of it is Todd Bowles is spineless, he has no balls. Things are supposed to work based on a top down directive, NOT the other way around. Instead, Bowles is getting worried about what the players might think? This guy is a fuckin pussy and I really wish Mac would stop wasting time and just shit can the incompetent retard............

EVERY fan should be getting off the Todd Bowles wagon as of now. ANY good Todd Bowles was ever going to do for this team, he's already done. In others words, he'll NEVER improve this team. It's all down hill from here and that I cannot even bear to think about.........
 

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Long and short of it is Todd Bowles is spineless, he has no balls. Things are supposed to work based on a top down directive, NOT the other way around. Instead, Bowles is getting worried about what the players might think? This guy is a fuckin pussy and I really wish Mac would stop wasting time and just shit can the incompetent retard............

EVERY fan should be getting off the Todd Bowles wagon as of now. ANY good Todd Bowles was ever going to do for this team, he's already done. In others words, he'll NEVER improve this team. It's all down hill from here and that I cannot even bear to think about.........
Chip Kelly shipped out dissidents, it got him fired.

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Chip Kelly shipped out dissidents, it got him fired.

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Chip Kelly has nothing to do with this. And whether or not Bowles chooses to ship out dissidents is IRRELEVANT. Either way it goes he should still be fired..............
 

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Chip Kelly has nothing to do with this. And whether or not Bowles chooses to ship out dissidents is IRRELEVANT. Either way it goes he should still be fired..............
If you read the headline of this thread, it is relevant. If he's afraid of the locker room.

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If it is true then he is a fool because IMHO a lot of player have already mailed it in weeks ago. Like Rex a few years ago, I truly believe he hasn't a clue about the locker room and frankly I said this before, I believe he lost this team. it shows on the field...
 

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If it is true then he is a fool because IMHO a lot of player have already mailed it in weeks ago. Like Rex a few years ago, I truly believe he hasn't a clue about the locker room and frankly I said this before, I believe he lost this team. it shows on the field...
This is a while new topic we are approaching,I think. But I believe in today's nfl, coaches have a difficult task of juggling personalities of hard core ball players and guys with talent who mostly care about making a buck. You have to manage both and make them work together,and maximize talent. I don't think we are in a world today where any coach can just eject players. I think it's a new reality caused by several factors. As much as I hate it, it's reality now. So right now we need to not get people killed,get kids playing time,and find out everything we can to decide what to do this offseason.

I think the best thing for petty,is to start 6 games at the end of the year. You don't want to destroy him by constantly losing, but if he can lose 3,won 2,and have a close game either way, we still pick top 5, petty learns without getting driven into the ground and told he sucks, and we have a better read on his skills.
A lot like pre season,is not about winning,it's about learning.

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Chip Kelly shipped out dissidents, it got him fired.

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I think Chip Kelly created a lot of the dissidents before he shipped them out. I mean a lot of his moves were dumping solid players for unproven guys with ties to Oregon.

I think Bowles may be a good HC some day, but the 'nice guys' aren't usually great in their first job. I think Kelly would be successful if he had a workable system for the pro game, but I don't think he does. These extreme systems work by exploiting the fact that you're choosing the players that fit your system so that your mix of average-to-excellent D1 talent can consistently defeat their mix of average-to-excellent D1 talent that wasn't recruited and built specifically to play vs. your system. But that system doesn't look like it works in the NFL vs. 11+ world class players, which shouldn't really be surprising considering many of the players that come up through these systems don't succeed in the NFL to nearly the same degree that they do in college.
 

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I think Chip Kelly created a lot of the dissidents before he shipped them out. I mean a lot of his moves were dumping solid players for unproven guys with ties to Oregon.

I think Bowles may be a good HC some day, but the 'nice guys' aren't usually great in their first job. I think Kelly would be successful if he had a workable system for the pro game, but I don't think he does. These extreme systems work by exploiting the fact that you're choosing the players that fit your system so that your mix of average-to-excellent D1 talent can consistently defeat their mix of average-to-excellent D1 talent that wasn't recruited and built specifically to play vs. your system. But that system doesn't look like it works in the NFL vs. 11+ world class players, which shouldn't really be surprising considering many of the players that come up through these systems don't succeed in the NFL to nearly the same degree that they do in college.
Well I suppose it's the evolution of Peyton mannings hurry up offense. His o linemen had to be lighter with more endurance, the theory being,you ate used to the unusually quick pace,bit defenses around the nfl are not, therefore you Tire them out at some point.

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