Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[Bigmoe]

Ok we didn't " sign " him
Semantics
After the trade along with the 7th which was moved to a 6 th
The Jets took on Fitzpatrick's base salary of $3.25 million for the 2015 season.
Same shit to me to make my point
Oh and this was the remaining of his 7.25 mil 2year deal with the Texans .

 

[gmf1369]

I believe your starter clause is illegal.

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no its not... they are entitled to name him the starter in his contract for this said year, but leave no guarantees he will be the starter thereafter... there aren't any illegalities nowadays that they aren't privy to add into an athletes contract... everyone wants some form of guarantees and being that he is not getting offers like his agent thought he would put him in this predicament he is in now...

 

[jetgreen13]

When you sign guys, it's 2 humans talking. Forte has stated today, he signed because he was lead to believe Fitz is a done deal. He had 4 other offers. The point is, if the gm breaks his word to his stars, he might just lose the locker room. These players aren't slaves, you can't just say shut up and do what I tell you.

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if forte was lead to believe signing fitzpatrick was a "done deal" he's being disingenuous or nieve..

this ain't forte's first or second rodeo.. he really has no idea how the FA period can change (extremely quickly) when other teams start throwing around stupid money?? come on..

glad you brought up how a GM might lose his locker room.. nickel & diming the team's starting QB/leader ain't great for business either..

& of course guys making the kind of money NFL players make is not "slavery.." definitely not an analogy i would ever use.....

 

[mykcuz]

Ok we didn't " sign " him
Semantics
After the trade along with the 7th which was moved to a 6 th
The Jets took on Fitzpatrick's base salary of $3.25 million for the 2015 season.
Same shit to me to make my point
Oh and this was the remaining of his 7.25 mil 2year deal with the Texans .

I'm sorry, what's your point?

Fitz did well in buffalo, signed a mega contract and fell of the horse. After that he was stuck playing on terrible teams with no talent. He really didn't have a chance to succeed until Houston and the jets. That's life in the nfl, you're unlikely to get a second shot. He really did well in Houston until breaking his leg, and then continued his top 15 play here.

Our qb play had been so bad since Vinny, it's amazing how negative fans are, and don't realize what they have.

This will get worked out, I'm routing fir Fitz, he's our leader.

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[gmf1369]

Jets offered him a fair contract of what he truly is worth to this team...

His agent out priced him expecting many teams to be clamoring for his services, to possibly to drive the price even further north...

Do the Jets really need to re-sign him?
What are their other options? Trade 4 Glennon? Trade 4 Nassib?
Sign RG3? (NO)
Sign Hoyer? (HELL2THENO)
Start Geno? (if all other options don't pan out)
Start Petty? (Maybe, if they think he can handle it)

At the end of the day, the Jets have time to make a decision while they try to fill the roster and focus towards the draft...

 

[jetgreen13]

Jets offered him a fair contract of what he truly is worth to this team...

His agent out priced him expecting many teams to be clamoring for his services, to possibly to drive the price even further north...

Do the Jets really need to re-sign him?
What are their other options? Trade 4 Glennon? Trade 4 Nassib?
Sign RG3? (NO)
Sign Hoyer? (HELL2THENO)
Start Geno? (if all other options don't pan out)
Start Petty? (Maybe, if they think he can handle it)

At the end of the day, the Jets have time to make a decision while they try to fill the roster and focus towards the draft...

LOLz at the end of "this day" if the breaking news is fitzpatrick signs with denver the "decision" will have been made for them.. at least as far as fitzpatrick is concerned..

 

[mykcuz]

if forte was lead to believe signing fitzpatrick was a "done deal" he's being disingenuous or nieve..

this ain't forte's first or second rodeo.. he really has no idea how the FA period can change (extremely quickly) when other teams start throwing around stupid money?? come on..

glad you brought up how a GM might lose his locker room.. nickel & diming the team's starting QB/leader ain't great for business either..

& of course guys making the kind of money NFL players make is not "slavery.." definitely not an analogy i would ever use.....

Slavery is absolutely accurate. I'm describing the mentality of "i bought you, I own your actions, you must do whatever I say."
Athletes get paid a lot of money to play a game, but they are adults and humans. Just like any company the management can't treat the accountants like trash and boss them around and not lose morale. The employees are still going to do their job, but not like they would if they were apart of a team and had each others backs. But this is now a tangent.

Forte made it very clear Fitz resigning is happening. I didn't mean to infer it was a promise by mac, only that he probably spoke to Marshall and Fitz. I mean it may be promising considering the stalemate that they both want the contract, it's just a disagreement in value. I meant it's a good sign.

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[mykcuz]

no its not... they are entitled to name him the starter in his contract for this said year, but leave no guarantees he will be the starter thereafter... there aren't any illegalities nowadays that they aren't privy to add into an athletes contract... everyone wants some form of guarantees and being that he is not getting offers like his agent thought he would put him in this predicament he is in now...

I'm confused by your wording. But I believe it's illegal to pay based on stats, starts may be included. It's illegal in baseball. But how could you give him a contract to be the starter for 1 year? That's the coaches decision.

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[gmf1369]

I'm confused by your wording. But I believe it's illegal to pay based on stats, starts may be included. It's illegal in baseball. But how could you give him a contract to be the starter for 1 year? That's the coaches decision.

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they can name him to be the starter for 2016 season in his contract, with no guarantees for the years after... they also can guarantee $$$ in one year but not the other... this is NOT baseball, and the NFL is a whole other catalyst that do things that shouldn't be done...

as for the coach his decision is just as much involved into the negotiations with Fitz as our GM Mike Maccagnan...

 

[jetgreen13]

Slavery is absolutely accurate. I'm describing the mentality of "i bought you, I own your actions, you must do whatever I say."
Athletes get paid a lot of money to play a game, but they are adults and humans. Just like any company the management can't treat the accountants like trash and boss them around and not lose morale. The employees are still going to do their job, but not like they would if they were apart of a team and had each others backs. But this is now a tangent.

Forte made it very clear Fitz resigning is happening. I didn't mean to infer it was a promise by mac, only that he probably spoke to Marshall and Fitz. I mean it may be promising considering the stalemate that they both want the contract, it's just a disagreement in value. I meant it's a good sign.

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no.. that is completely inaccurate at best & slightly offensive at worst.. NFL players have unions, contracts & stipulations that the owners must abide by..

black slaves (for instance) we're stolen from their homeland, brought over under unspeakable conditions & thrown overboard for the sharks if they didn't survive the trip..

don't even get me started on what happened after arriving..... or do.. i can keep going in far more detail how ridiculous your analogy is..

 

[gmf1369]

LOLz at the end of "this day" if the breaking news is fitzpatrick signs with denver the "decision" will have been made for them.. at least as far as fitzpatrick is concerned..

Denver is NOT signing Fitz... Denver priced Fitz at $5 M per, that is $2 M less than the Jets offered Fitz originally...

I am for one just over with this shit... I was a backer for him and know could care less where he goes...

 

[mykcuz]

Denver is NOT signing Fitz... Denver priced Fitz at $5 M per, that is $2 M less than the Jets offered Fitz originally...

I am for one just over with this shit... I was a backer for him and know could care less where he goes...

Where did the 5 come from?

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[OCCH]

Our qb play had been so bad since Vinny, it's amazing how negative fans are, and don't realize what they have.

Actually, it's been so bad that people see WAY more in Fitz than he actually brings to the table.

"Better than anything else we've have in awhile" is very different from actually good. I'll take the guy for the right price but will see nothing but SOJ if we overpay to keep him . . .

 

[gmf1369]

Where did the 5 come from?

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“That’s the hard part,” Elway said on Pro Football Talk. “When you look at where the salaries are on quarterbacks, either above $15 million or below $5 [million]. There’s no middle class of quarterbacks.”

Like Elway said there is no middle point either top QB = top money or you have the rest which gets the lower tier... For the Broncos, there is no way they view him at a top tier QB so there is no way they offered top tier money that means they offered $5 and under if they offered at all as some media stated... Then they traded for Mark Sanchez getting paid lower tier money, at worst for them Sanchez could be a stop gap starter until they develop someone else, or like most believe they traded to get a piece to entice Kelly & 49ers to trade Kaep. ...

Maybe I was reading in between the lines but this is how you can determine on what may been offered by previous statements that people like him make... The funny part this was before Osweiler leaving for the Texans and Peyton retiring...

 

[mykcuz]

Like Elway said there is no middle point either top QB = top money or you have the rest which gets the lower tier... For the Broncos, there is no way they view him at a top tier QB so there is no way they offered top tier money that means they offered $5 and under if they offered at all as some media stated... Then they traded for Mark Sanchez getting paid lower tier money, at worst for them Sanchez could be a stop gap starter until they develop someone else, or like most believe they traded to get a piece to entice Kelly & 49ers to trade Kaep. ...

Maybe I was reading in between the lines but this is how you can determine on what may been offered by previous statements that people like him make... The funny part this was before Osweiler leaving for the Texans and Peyton retiring...

Nice info.
I'd imagine Fitz would have signed already if the Champs offered 15. So if the jets gave the highest offer, and we give him the chance to become anyc folk hero, why no deal yet?

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[SackExchange]

no.. that is completely inaccurate at best & slightly offensive at worst.. NFL players have unions, contracts & stipulations that the owners must abide by..

black slaves (for instance) we're stolen from their homeland, brought over under unspeakable conditions & thrown overboard for the sharks if they didn't survive the trip..

don't even get me started on what happened after arriving..... or do.. i can keep going in far more detail how ridiculous your analogy is..

This.

The mere point of compensation makes the argument ridiculous.

 

[Parcells123]

It's interesting to hear some posters saying "give Fitzpatrick 11 MM or give Fitzpatrick 3 years at "X" amount". Are these the same posters that will be all over the front office when the Jets sign to Fitzpatrick to these kinds of numbers and his play is mediocre next year and the Jets have no cap space to improve the roster? Will they be ok with a sub-.500 team contractually obligated to pay starting QB money to a journeyman player who will not get any better but in reality may play worse? Do posters really feel that paying Fitzpatrick that kind of money is the best way to handle cap restraints when they have other players to sign in 2017?

I think the front office is playing this contract negotiation the way they have to. They probably see Fitzpatrick as a short term place holder for a QB who may not be on the roster yet (Glennon? Draft pick?). Why commit big dollars to this kind of player? If Fitzpatrick is so great, why are no other QB desperate teams lining up to sign him?

As a fan you have to decide if you want the Jets to be built for the long term or short term. If it's for the long term, Fitzpatrick must lower his demands or the Jets will need to move on. The salary cap dictates as such...

 

[lounap23]

Denver is NOT signing Fitz... Denver priced Fitz at $5 M per, that is $2 M less than the Jets offered Fitz originally...

I am for one just over with this shit... I was a backer for him and know could care less where he goes...

Where was the Den offer of $5 mill reported?

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

It's interesting to hear some posters saying "give Fitzpatrick 11 MM or give Fitzpatrick 3 years at "X" amount". Are these the same posters that will be all over the front office when the Jets sign to Fitzpatrick to these kinds of numbers and his play is mediocre next year and the Jets have no cap space to improve the roster? Will they be ok with a sub-.500 team contractually obligated to pay starting QB money to a journeyman player who will not get any better but in reality may play worse? Do posters really feel that paying Fitzpatrick that kind of money is the best way to handle cap restraints when they have other players to sign in 2017?

I think the front office is playing this contract negotiation the way they have to. They probably see Fitzpatrick as a short term place holder for a QB who may not be on the roster yet (Glennon? Draft pick?). Why commit big dollars to this kind of player? If Fitzpatrick is so great, why are no other QB desperate teams lining up to sign him?

As a fan you have to decide if you want the Jets to be built for the long term or short term. If it's for the long term, Fitzpatrick must lower his demands or the Jets will need to move on. The salary cap dictates as such...

I'm coming around to this way of thinking. Fitz does give us the best chance in 2016, but that's not the whole story. It's easy for fans (and Gary Myers) to say "just pay him already". Setting market values aside, does anyone really think it's smart to pay a mediocre QB 16-18 million dollars over 2-3 years? I personally believe that Fitz is in the best situation with the Jets because of Chan Gailey. He plays his best football under him. Away from Gailey, Fitz hasn't been very good. But he's a 33 year old QB who's had more average to below average years in this league than good years. I respect Macc's decision to stay firm with his offer. Don't overpay by that much if you aren't sure.

 

[OCCH]

I'm coming around to this way of thinking. Fitz does give us the best chance in 2016, but that's not the whole story. It's easy for fans (and Gary Myers) to say "just pay him already". Setting market values aside, does anyone really think it's smart to pay a mediocre QB 16-18 million dollars over 2-3 years? I personally believe that Fitz is in the best situation with the Jets because of Chan Gailey. He plays his best football under him. Away from Gailey, Fitz hasn't been very good. But he's a 33 year old QB who's had more average to below average years in this league than good years. I respect Macc's decision to stay firm with his offer. Don't overpay by that much if you aren't sure.

+1

Everyone is using contracts like Osweiler's/Cousin's/Bradford's etc. as reasons why Fitz "has" to get paid more than he's worth. My question is, do we really want to be like Houston, Washington or Philly? Do we really think those teams are on the cusp on greatness because they paid "whatever necessary" to keep/obtain a mediocre QB?

I have no problem with Fitz, but part of me hopes he's "Plan B" for Macc.

(Of course I have no idea what Plan A would be, I just want him to have one:9 . . .