Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[BigDan]

Macc, in part, is talking about Geno this way in order to convince other teams that he has some value. They would rather get something for him, however small, than nothing at all.

It is also part of the game they are playing with Fitz, but obviously both sides know any talk about using Smith is just 'blowing smoke'.

 

[soj]

I for one don't like Monkeyhines. We are farting around with Fitz & with Mo now for two plus years. Sit down at the darn table & make a good offer & get it done or move on. I know many of you will say that this is the way it is done & you would be correct but it is not the only way. Be honest & get players to respect you. Negotiations don't have to always be about you against me it can be about US to some degree..

I am not there so it maybe unfair of me to say this but If Wilk stays or goes this may leave scars on this team because of what has taken place the last two years.

I like that the Jets are keeping their mouth shut but with Wilk this has been has been too long. Cap or no Cap make a team that players want to come & play for. Yes it takes time & I hope Woody is staying out of the way until he learns how to be an owner if ever.

Again, we have Geno, Petty & maybe two draft picks for young Qb's this year. Along with trades & FA's. no excuse get us a QB that is our future. I don't want to hear Cap problems get It done. That is what good GM's do!!!!!!!!

Now some say you need to be patient..... I am .......but I want to see us going in the right direction. I hope we are!


I really believe in TB but he needs the players. I just hope big mac can feed the beast.. He needs our support & he does need time.

Lets leave Monkeyshines to the Fish, Browns etc not the Jets

What makes you think we are not going in the right direction?

 

[jets82]

Don't take my word for it. Just read what Maccagnan is saying. Is it possible that Macc is using Geno as a way to gain leverage against Fitzpatrick in negotiations? I suppose, but that's not what I'm getting from his comments. Macc is suggesting that Geno Smith can be a better QB. Now, some fans might vomit at the very suggestion that this could be possible, but our GM is saying otherwise. He's saying "I'm not certain what Geno gives us, but he could give us something".

Macc might be playing a game of poker with Fitzpatrick. Or maybe, Maccganan sees some potential in Geno Smith and considers him a viable option alongside Petty and another developmental QB. Regardless, Geno doesn't appear to be the piece of human waste that some fans of this team say he is. At least, not in the eyes of our respected GM.

I agree. Let's all remember that Geno was the starter last year until the jawbreaker hate. Didn't seem like Fitz was threatening his job at all until then. Had to of been a valid reason why. Bowles just did the right thing in saying before it even happened that if Fitz was playing well enough and they were winning then Geno wasn't getting his job back. When it happened most people including me just assumed Geno was going to be shown the door but it hasn't happened yet and doesn't appear right now like it will.

 

[mykcuz]

I for one don't like Monkeyhines. We are farting around with Fitz & with Mo now for two plus years. Sit down at the darn table & make a good offer & get it done or move on. I know many of you will say that this is the way it is done & you would be correct but it is not the only way. Be honest & get players to respect you. Negotiations don't have to always be about you against me it can be about US to some degree..

I am not there so it maybe unfair of me to say this but If Wilk stays or goes this may leave scars on this team because of what has taken place the last two years.

I like that the Jets are keeping their mouth shut but with Wilk this has been has been too long. Cap or no Cap make a team that players want to come & play for. Yes it takes time & I hope Woody is staying out of the way until he learns how to be an owner if ever.

Again, we have Geno, Petty & maybe two draft picks for young Qb's this year. Along with trades & FA's. no excuse get us a QB that is our future. I don't want to hear Cap problems get It done. That is what good GM's do!!!!!!!!

Now some say you need to be patient..... I am .......but I want to see us going in the right direction. I hope we are!


I really believe in TB but he needs the players. I just hope big mac can feed the beast.. He needs our support & he does need time.

Lets leave Monkeyshines to the Fish, Browns etc not the Jets

I don't understand what you want. Are you suggesting wr need to pay mo 18-20 mil a year because he says so?
You want us to pay Fitz 18 mil a year also? When no other team even wants him? He made 3 last year, we offered him 8. He's not the future, and he's an injury risk, and he's only productive on the jets.

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[mykcuz]

I agree. Let's all remember that Geno was the starter last year until the jawbreaker hate. Didn't seem like Fitz was threatening his job at all until then. Had to of been a valid reason why. Bowles just did the right thing in saying before it even happened that if Fitz was playing well enough and they were winning then Geno wasn't getting his job back. When it happened most people including me just assumed Geno was going to be shown the door but it hasn't happened yet and doesn't appear right now like it will.

Fitz wasn't healthy, that's why geno was first. Fitz had a broken leg and was trying to just get back in shape. Without the ikmvp punch, geno would have started with Fitz rehabbing into week 1 or 2. If geno failed, Fitz was the next man up. With the punch, it happened sooner.

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[mykcuz]

Macc, in part, is talking about Geno this way in order to convince other teams that he has some value. They would rather get something for him, however small, than nothing at all.

It is also part of the game they are playing with Fitz, but obviously both sides know any talk about using Smith is just 'blowing smoke'.

He also may need to rely on geno. He can't go around saying geno sucks, then in camp say hey kid I believe in you. OF course, you also want to over value your assets to the league in case of a deal.

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[mykcuz]

IMO as well..

unfortunately mac's "buffing" game seems to be lacking..

if smith is plan "B" why spring for dinner on griffin?? our guy is already in the locker room, right??

Spring for dinner? $300 for a multi million dollar contract.
If macc says we are desperate, then he's yielding leverage to any qb he signs. If he says yea we like Fitz, but geno can hold the fort worse case. Then he can negotiate with Fitz, keep genos confidence and potential trade value, and he can tell rg3 hey we like you, come compete for a spot, vs we suck we need you rg3.

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[VincentL]

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first and foremost we all have heard coaches and gm's and owners blow smoke while players are under contract .
Second and probably more important : I think it's more than " some" fans
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lmao!

 

[ucrenegade]

If the assumption is that Petty still isn't ready and the choice is between Geno and Petty, I think you have to go with Smith. If for no other reason than I don't want to witness yet another 'not ready' QB's ruination. If your also assuming that the season is a lost cause then have it be with Smith and give Petty another year to figure it out. At least that gives Petty a chance for the future. Both Sanchez and Smith were not ready to play much less start when they did. Both the short-sightedness and arrogance of Ryan thought his great defense would overcome two QBs who had no business playing when they did. Our best bet is to have Fitz for another year or two and if Petty is ever ready it should be year 3 for him.

aikman went 1-15, elway went 4-12, hell i think montana was 7-9 when they all first started like I said with petty their would be growing pains obv but the only ones that a trial by fire ruin seem to be the ones with the 10 cent heads ie rg3,manziel,geno,and suckchez to name a few. those QB's that learn as they go doesn't mean they will be ruined. I think petty is 10 times smarter than geno and suckchez.

 

[ucrenegade]

I agree. Let's all remember that Geno was the starter last year until the jawbreaker hate. Didn't seem like Fitz was threatening his job at all until then. Had to of been a valid reason why. Bowles just did the right thing in saying before it even happened that if Fitz was playing well enough and they were winning then Geno wasn't getting his job back. When it happened most people including me just assumed Geno was going to be shown the door but it hasn't happened yet and doesn't appear right now like it will.

yeah the reason was they were not sure fitz was healed enough. That is the only reason.

 

[flgreen]

Macc, in part, is talking about Geno this way in order to convince other teams that he has some value. They would rather get something for him, however small, than nothing at all.

It is also part of the game they are playing with Fitz, but obviously both sides know any talk about using Smith is just 'blowing smoke'.

Of course that's what he's doing.

He was asked a direct question about smith. What was he supposed to say? "I'm a very stupid GM, and keeping a slug on the roster because I don't know any better." I don't think he's going to say that.

He also qualified his "it's possible" statement with it's also possible if we get Fitz back, that smith could be #3 QB. He's going to have to compete with Petty for #2.

We'll find out what Macc thinks of smith shortly after Fitz is signed. IMO he'll be put on the market for 13's "bag of rocks". If RGIII can't find a home, It's also "possible" he could sign cheap with the Jets as Fitz's back up.

Anything is possible.

 

[jetgreen13]

Spring for dinner? $300 for a multi million dollar contract.
If macc says we are desperate, then he's yielding leverage to any qb he signs. If he says yea we like Fitz, but geno can hold the fort worse case. Then he can negotiate with Fitz, keep genos confidence and potential trade value, and he can tell rg3 hey we like you, come compete for a spot, vs we suck we need you rg3.

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i'm sorry wut?? what NFL contracts are not "multi million??"

this isn't about leverage.. it never was.. this is about how much money the jets are willing to pay fitzpatrick..

if you believe fitzpatrick feels threatened by the jets buying griffin dinner, what can i tell you??

if you believe fitzpatrick feels threatened by smith as a fall back plan?? if so again, what can i tell you??

 

[jets82]

yeah the reason was they were not sure fitz was healed enough. That is the only reason.

And how can you be so sure about that? Did you read that in an article anywhere or did you hear it on any sports show? Better yet, did you hear it on any show period or is it just the confederate hat talking?

 

[jets82]

aikman went 1-15, elway went 4-12, hell i think montana was 7-9 when they all first started like I said with petty their would be growing pains obv but the only ones that a trial by fire ruin seem to be the ones with the 10 cent heads ie rg3,manziel,geno,and suckchez to name a few. those QB's that learn as they go doesn't mean they will be ruined. I think petty is 10 times smarter than geno and suckchez.

This thread I admit I agree with 1000 percent. They should play Petty period over any of those other guys. Fitz, Geno, Kaep and RG3

 

[ucrenegade]

And how can you be so sure about that? Did you read that in an article anywhere or did you hear it on any sports show? Better yet, did you hear it on any show period or is it just the confederate hat talking?

nah actually they said they were waiting to see where fitz was at and they weren't sure.

 

[butterscotch]

Fitz wasn't healthy, that's why geno was first. Fitz had a broken leg and was trying to just get back in shape. Without the ikmvp punch, geno would have started with Fitz rehabbing into week 1 or 2. If geno failed, Fitz was the next man up. With the punch, it happened sooner.

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Look if Big Mac & TB feel Geno is the man so be it. We must all agree they are in the positions to see him & work with him we are not. So if they both decide he should be the starter they know more than me & most of you......But if Geno does not get better they should pay the price with their football heads. Sink or swim baby! Be good or be gone

 

[butterscotch]

What makes you think we are not going in the right direction?

I think I said this......Now some say you need to be patient..... I am .......but I want to see us going in the right direction. I hope we are!

So if want to know if I think the Jets are doing everything right ...No I don't If they are doing somethings right yes they are. Is Big mac a very good or great GM? I need to see more from him the jury is still out on him in my book.

My biggest concern is timing. Now if we are on a five year plan the timing is not as important today. But most of our are top players are old & we have needs. If we get those needs & a young QB most of our older players will be gone by the time they peak.

If you think we can win it this year I question that we have the talent to do that. Can we yes we can but the odds don't look good to me as of today. But I am still behind Big mac he just needs to show me more.....again as of today.

 

[butterscotch]

This thread I admit I agree with 1000 percent. They should play Petty period over any of those other guys. Fitz, Geno, Kaep and RG3

He may be & not all suits fit each person. I will trust the jets...this jets staff (LOL) to make that call. in fact I would like us to trade some of our older players for more picks & see Petty grow with them. but we need another young Qb just in case

 

[butterscotch]

I don't understand what you want. Are you suggesting wr need to pay mo 18-20 mil a year because he says so?
You want us to pay Fitz 18 mil a year also? When no other team even wants him? He made 3 last year, we offered him 8. He's not the future, and he's an injury risk, and he's only productive on the jets.

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I did not say that I guess to keep it simple the Jets need to s__t or get off the P_T.

Give a fair offer & if the don't take it move on.


I don't want fitz as our Qb & I am tired of Wilk & or the Jets with this contract .

 

[jets82]

nah actually they said they were waiting to see where fitz was at and they weren't sure.

I'm clear. As for as the history lesson on what the hat says, no disrespect but that's a history lesson I'll pass on!