Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[mykcuz]

I really think the best deal for the Jets is a 3 year deal with a max value after incentives of about 11-12 million, If they want to give him a 4 million super bowl bonus that's a ok with me.

I wouldn't guarantee much if anything in year 3. Perhaps guarantee year 1 and a little on year 2, or guarantee half of years 1 and 2.
That makes this a 2 year deal, with the Jets in control year 3, and not handcuffed in year 2. If Fitz becomes a backup next year, the Jets could have leverage to cut his pay.
Fitz gets a respectable salary, if he indeed improves in year 2 of this offense, he earns a bigger contract, we both get stability, and we have an escape route after the first year. Worst case scenario we switch to a qb on a rookie contract.

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[Jet Fan RI]

I'm not sure the CBA allows for W/L bonuses.

Not sure how the CBA is worded. But I recall Peyton had given up something like $2M of his salary last year which he could earn back based on incentives. I think one incentive was getting to the SB and the other was winning the SB. So he got all the money back. I bet Fitz could have incentives of some sort that involve making the playoffs and winning some playoff games.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Just read we offered him $12M in first year. Thats the max I would go with this guy.

 

[Pattycakes]

I read that too, I think even that is too much but I'd be ok with it if it they got the deal done. I think it's a pretty generous offer... If he's not happy with $12m then I really just don't get what he thinks he should be holding out for.

 

[mykcuz]

With 12 being the year 1 salary, now we just need them to hash out guarantees and incentives, so we can move on with practice. Petty better start throwing some nice passes before he's bumped from the number 1 field.

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[mykcuz]

Who's been harking on the number 12 for months?hmm

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[Jet Fan RI]

]Just read we offered him $12M in first year. Thats the max I would go with this guy.

Outrageous.

 

[Jetgreg]

Just read we offered him $12M in first year. Thats the max I would go with this guy.

If true this is the most mind numbingly stupid move that the Jets have made since going after Favre. This is far beyond anything that Idzik ever did. If this is true and the Jets pay this guy this money (they should not re-sign him at all in my opinion) I will have the same faith in Maccagnan going forward as I would if I went to a doctor with a broken ankle and he operated on the wrong ankle. Time for a new doctor.

The $12 miillion no matter how it is structured and no matter how the money to pay for it is found is going to cost the Jets the equivalent of a very good player in the future or a couple of solid players. Probably we do three or four restructures will eat into next year's cap space which is not as large as people think. Or cut Mo. Or cut a couple of starters such as Breno and Folk and create holes on the team. All for a backup journeyman quarterback who has won more than 6 games once in his eleven year career and whom nobody wants and is on the last part of the back nine of a mediocre career. A BACKUP JOURNEYMAN IN DECLINE!

The cost is against the cap and opportunity lost for the development of the young QBs. Whether you like Geno or not the biggest fear I have is that we suffered for 3 years and now with optimal circumstances we will never find out what he is. For what? A year or two of Tom Brady? No. For a year or three of Ryan Fitzpatrick.

But to me the most depressing thing about this if true is not that as a Jet fan I am stuck with rooting for this guy as the starting QB for the next year or two and will never find out about some of the young guys. No the most depressing thing about this is that as a Jet fan I am stuck with this regime for 3 or 4 more years.

 

[jets82]

If true this is the most mind numbingly stupid move that the Jets have made since going after Favre. This is far beyond anything that Idzik ever did. If this is true and the Jets pay this guy this money (they should not re-sign him at all in my opinion) I will have the same faith in Maccagnan going forward as I would if I went to a doctor with a broken ankle and he operated on the wrong ankle. Time for a new doctor.

The $12 miillion no matter how it is structured and no matter how the money to pay for it is found is going to cost the Jets the equivalent of a very good player in the future or a couple of solid players. Probably we do three or four restructures will eat into next year's cap space which is not as large as people think. Or cut Mo. Or cut a couple of starters such as Breno and Folk and create holes on the team. All for a backup journeyman quarterback who has won more than 6 games once in his eleven year career and whom nobody wants and is on the last part of the back nine of a mediocre career. A BACKUP JOURNEYMAN IN DECLINE!

The cost is against the cap and opportunity lost for the development of the young QBs. Whether you like Geno or not the biggest fear I have is that we suffered for 3 years and now with optimal circumstances we will never find out what he is. For what? A year or two of Tom Brady? No. For a year or three of Ryan Fitzpatrick.

But to me the most depressing thing about this if true is not that as a Jet fan I am stuck with rooting for this guy as the starting QB for the next year or two and will never find out about some of the young guys. No the most depressing thing about this is that as a Jet fan I am stuck with this regime for 3 or 4 more years.

I agree with you 100% except the being stuck with the regime the next 3-4 years part. This regime has done an excellent job the past two years IMO besides this Fitz offer. Now that is ridiculous! A two year deal for $12 mil combined is more like it, $14 max for both years but oh well. I guess Geno and the other two QBs must really be some trash for them to go this far for Fitz. I'll have faith in Mac and Bowles for now as they have earned my trust and faith. We'll see how long that last over this and next year.

 

[hatnlvr]

So basically the number we all thought would get a deal done is exactly what the Jets offered months ago and Fitz has been sitting on it and hasn't accepted it. I think $12M should be the max but in all reality we are only bidding against ourselves (no one is offering Fitz anything and Denver insinuated that he is a $5M a year backup).

IMO the Jets showed him the love and Fitz isn't being realistic with who/what he is. We need him as a 1-2 year bridge, so he should be compensated that way.

 

[hatnlvr]

I agree with you 100% except the being stuck with the regime the next 3-4 years part. This regime has done an excellent job the past two years IMO besides this Fitz offer. Now that is ridiculous! A two year deal for $12 mil combined is more like it, $14 max for both years but oh well. I guess Geno and the other two QBs must really be some trash for them to go this far for Fitz. I'll have faith in Mac and Bowles for now as they have earned my trust and faith. We'll see how long that last over this and next year.

The team is definitely built as a win now team (we have too many key pieces on offense north of 30 years old). I still think Fitz is our best bet for the next season or two but after that Petty or Hack have to show something or we will be drafting another QB next draft.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Just read we offered him $12M in first year.

Thats insanity. If we have 12M to spend on Fitzpatrick, it would be much better spent on Mo Wilkerson, then go with Geno until Hack or Petty are ready. This idea that Fitzpatrick is a cinch to win 10 Games again is absurd. He had a career year last year and his achilles heel, bad weather, was a non issue until that final weekend in Buffalo where he was awful. He won't get that lucky with weather again. That was a fluke in the AFCE.

 

[hobson54]

Thats insanity. If we have 12M to spend on Fitzpatrick, it would be much better spent on Mo Wilkerson, then go with Geno until Hack or Petty are ready.

this makes no sense. mo is making $15+ million this year on the franchise deal. are you saying we should pay him $27 million this year?

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Thats insanity. If we have 12M to spend on Fitzpatrick, it would be much better spent on Mo Wilkerson, then go with Geno until Hack or Petty are ready.

100% agree. This reeks of desperation on the Jets' part. Unnecessary waste of cap space.

 

[hobson54]

yeah, i'm not sure why so many want to go into next year with geno and 2 completely unproven QBs. seems like some are ok with throwing a year away.

now i wouldn't sign fitz to a deal which hurts our cap down the road. but if they can work him into the cap this year, with minimal guarantees (preferably none) next year and onward, i'm all in favor. i'm hopeful about both hack and petty, but that's just hope. and i have zero interest in seeing geno as the QB

$12 mil sounds reasonable for a mid tier starting QB in this league. in fact, it's probably on the low end of QB pay, if you exclude players on rookie contracts. fitz isn't brady or manning, etc..., but he's also not geno. and he has the support of his veteran playmakers.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Hear me out here:

The media is leaking that Fitzpatrick has been offered the $12 mil contract this season and its been laying out on the table for 3 months. Both parties continue to keep things in house as a professional organizational should (something we've lacked since the Rex era, where even the Taliban knew our internal discussions). The reason the contract is not signed after connecting all the dots (and its pretty simple), the Jets are actually contemplating their next move on who will get cut in order to move in the direction of officially signing him.

This Fitz deal IMHO has been already come to a conclusion. Now its just the logistics of it: Who do you release in order to make this happen:

Breno Giaccomini-Too high of a salary for this season. Potential replacements
are already on the Team; Bret Qvale, Brandon Shell and Ben Ijalana

Geno Smith-Too many QB's on the team (no way Mac keeps him in favor of his two draft picks of the same position)

Now who are the players that would actually restructure their respective contracts:

Buster Skrine
Brandon Marshall
Eric Decker
David Harris
James Carpenter
Marcus Gilchrist
Nick Mangold
Breno Giacomini-If he's willing to take a major pay cut, why not.

The contract just can't be signed at this very moment. That is completely fine. The team is fine with that because he knows this offense better than anyone. Let everything play out the way it is and we will have our QB for the 2016 campaign.

As far as people saying "its too much money" ask yourselves these questions:

a)What better option is out there? (Geno apologists, dont even start please)

b)There have been many journey man QB who had the light turn on late in their careers to help their respective teams to the promise land, some very close to it, Why not our own #14?:

Jim McMahon
Jim Plunkett
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Mark Rypien
Chris Chandler
Stan Humphries
and damn, even our own Vinny Testaverde.

This team is built to win now. I'am sure the glamour pick would be unanimous to have a young gun leading this veteran squad, but we've tried that and yes it almost worked (Mark Sanchez), but in the long run, it stunted his growth. Lets allow these two inexperienced QB learned from a true professional. Let them learn what it takes before they hit the field. At this point, Ryan Fitzpatrick is the absolute best option for this team for so many reasons to kickoff the 2016 season.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

this makes no sense. mo is making $15+ million this year on the franchise deal. are you saying we should pay him $27 million this year?

No I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying if we can find a way to spend 12M on Fitz, then we can find a way to extend Mo Wilkerson instead. I was under the impression that we couldn't extend Wilkerson because we're capped out. If thats not the case, and apparently it isn't, IMO we should be working on an extension with Wilkerson and forget about Fitzpatrick, unless he want to play for no more than 6 Million.

 

[Jetgreg]

The team is definitely built as a win now team (we have too many key pieces on offense north of 30 years old). I still think Fitz is our best bet for the next season or two but after that Petty or Hack have to show something or we will be drafting another QB next draft.

I am not sure that we are a win now team or even an old team. Cromartie, Ferguson and Pace are all gone.I am going to figure it out exactly but I believe that the average age of Wilkerson, Richardson, L. Williams, Lee, Mauldin, Jordan Jenkins, Gilchrist, Pryor and M. Williams (other than Revis and Harris these are the nine most important players on the defense) is 24 years old. That is incredible. The special teams also got a lot younger.

There are two key players on offense that are old:Marshall and Mangold. Forte is also up there but I like the RB depth and RBs are easily replaceable. Marshall will not be.

Therefore, I think it makes sense to get even younger by ditching Fitzpatrick and start to develop the young QBs so that we can get one of the young guys on track so that his coming into his own coincides with this young defense coming of age. In the meantime draft a replacement for Marshall and get some linemen.

Also I do not know how Petty or Hack can show something if Fitzpatrick is taking all the starter's snaps and most of the reps in practice. If this were Peyton Manning at 35 I would not like it. But what makes this nauseating is that it is Fitzpatrick. The fact that we are screwing with the team's future so that Fitzpatick can win one or two more games this year is dubious at best.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

No I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying if we can find a way to spend 12M on Fitz, then we can find a way to extend Mo Wilkerson instead. I was under the impression that we couldn't extend Wilkerson because we're capped out. If thats not the case, and apparently it isn't, IMO we should be working on an extension with Wilkerson and forget about Fitzpatrick, unless he want to play for no more than 6 Million.

I hear what your saying and i'am all in in re-signing Mo, but if we have no QB this year, its like playing a chess game with no Queen piece.

I feel theres more to this and Mac has a plan that will blow this fan base out the water when its all said and done. (in a positive way of course keeping both of them).

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

100% agree. This reeks of desperation on the Jets' part. Unnecessary waste of cap space.

12M for a Journeyman like Fitzpatrick is definitely a panic move. Never overpay a Journeyman veteran based on a career year. Almost without fail he will revert back to what he is the following year. Almost without fail he will revert to the back of his football card. If you are going to spend that kind of money, you spend it on an elite player like Mo Wilkerson, not some career Journeyman coming off a career year. This is an absurd amount of money for Fitz. I don't think there's another team in the league that would even offer him 6M, and we're gonna pay him twice that much?

Why? He has no leverage!