Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[SackExchange]

PFT is at it again. When they're not acting like the defense team for the Patriots legal counsel, they are bashing the Jets.

A lot depends on the second and third years. I would think if you're going three years, the third year would be a step down. The second year probably is, too. How big a step, we'll see.

$12 million is not too much for a QB who threw 31-15 and almost had 4,000 yards last year, and an upward career trend over the past few years - as well as sustained success with Gailey. It's also not too little for a QB on the wrong side of 30 and with absolutely no leverage on the open market.

 

[hobson54]

No I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying if we can find a way to spend 12M on Fitz, then we can find a way to extend Mo Wilkerson instead. I was under the impression that we couldn't extend Wilkerson because we're capped out. If thats not the case, and apparently it isn't, IMO we should be working on an extension with Wilkerson and forget about Fitzpatrick, unless he want to play for no more than 6 Million.

extending mo isn't about what he makes in 2016. it's about the long-term implications of paying him so much money and guaranteeing him a lot, which impacts future cap space. in all likelihood, an extension for mo lowers his 2016 cap hit (as the annual cap charge on the long-term deal is likely lower than the franchise amount)

i'm assuming any extension of fitz is really only a 1 or 2 year deal. so it doesn't really impact mo (who i too want signed). heck, an extension of mo probably gives them the room to pay fitz.

obviously we'd have to see the corresponding moves to signing fitz since they will need to open up cap room to get anything done. but if it's stuff like getting rid of breno and geno and a couple of other minor moves, i'm all in favor.

you seem prepared to throw away 2016 by tossing fitz aside. are you really calling for geno to be the starting QB, and then throwing petty and hack (who i seem to recall you hated drafting) to the wolves even if they are not ready? do you want 2016 to be a throw away year? if so, that seems to be wasting a year of older guys like marshall, decker, mangold, forte, mangold, etc..

 

[SackExchange]

12M for a Journeyman like Fitzpatrick is definitely a panic move. Never overpay a Journeyman veteran based on a career year. Almost without fail he will revert back to what he is the following year. Almost without fail he will revert to the back of his football card. If you are going to spend that kind of money, you spend it on an elite player like Mo Wilkerson, not some career Journeyman coming off a career year. This is an absurd amount of money for Fitz. I don't think there's another team in the league that would even offer him 6M, and we're gonna pay him twice that much?

Why? He has no leverage!

Last year was his best year, but it's not like it is far out of line with the numbers he had the year prior in Houston, or the past seasons he had under Gailey.

Can we stop acting like 2015 was the first season in his career when he was any good at all?

 

[hatnlvr]

I am not sure that we are a win now team or even an old team. Cromartie, Ferguson and Pace are all gone.I am going to figure it out exactly but I believe that the average age of Wilkerson, Richardson, L. Williams, Lee, Mauldin, Jordan Jenkins, Gilchrist, Pryor and M. Williams (other than Revis and Harris these are the nine most important players on the defense) is 24 years old. That is incredible. The special teams also got a lot younger.

There are two key players on offense that are old:Marshall and Mangold. Forte is also up there but I like the RB depth and RBs are easily replaceable. Marshall will not be.

Therefore, I think it makes sense to get even younger by ditching Fitzpatrick and start to develop the young QBs so that we can get one of the young guys on track so that his coming into his own coincides with this young defense coming of age. In the meantime draft a replacement for Marshall and get some linemen.

Also I do not know how Petty or Hack can show something if Fitzpatrick is taking all the starter's snaps and most of the reps in practice. If this were Peyton Manning at 35 I would not like it. But what makes this nauseating is that it is Fitzpatrick. The fact that we are screwing with the team's future so that Fitzpatick can win one or two more games this year is dubious at best.

The Defense got younger but our offense definitely didn't. We have one of the toughest schedules in the league to start the season (our first 8 games is a murderers row), and putting the offense into unproven hands is a recipe for disaster. Quite honestly if our offense doesn't improve from last season we may still come out on the losing end after the first 8 and even if we play great football we may be lucky to finish the season 8-8.

Bottom line is unless we want to throw the season away, Fitz gives us the best chance to win. He isn't a long term answer, but is definitely a good bridge player that we can use until we find his heir. I think offering him $12M is a great compromise but if he is pushing for more than we need to cut him loose and just move on.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

PFT is at it again. When they're not acting like the defense team for the Patriots legal counsel, they are bashing the Jets.

A lot depends on the second and third years. I would think if you're going three years, the third year would be a step down. The second year probably is, too. How big a step, we'll see.

$12 million is not too much for a QB who threw 31-15 and almost had 4,000 yards last year, and an upward career trend over the past few years - as well as sustained success with Gailey. It's also not too little for a QB on the wrong side of 30 and with absolutely no leverage on the open market.

Trouble is, 3 years is also a dumbass move. Should have given him a 1-year deal, $6M (with incentives). Period.

 

[hatnlvr]

extending mo isn't about what he makes in 2016. it's about the long-term implications of paying him so much money and guaranteeing him a lot, which impacts future cap space. in all likelihood, an extension for mo lowers his 2016 cap hit (as the annual cap charge on the long-term deal is likely lower than the franchise amount)

i'm assuming any extension of fitz is really only a 1 or 2 year deal. so it doesn't really impact mo (who i too want signed). heck, an extension of mo probably gives them the room to pay fitz.

obviously we'd have to see the corresponding moves to signing fitz since they will need to open up cap room to get anything done. but if it's stuff like getting rid of breno and geno and a couple of other minor moves, i'm all in favor.

you seem prepared to throw away 2016 by tossing fitz aside. are you really calling for geno to be the starting QB, and then throwing petty and hack (who i seem to recall you hated drafting) to the wolves even if they are not ready? do you want 2016 to be a throw away year? if so, that seems to be wasting a year of older guys like marshall, decker, mangold, forte, mangold, etc..

Mo wants JJ Watt money and I honestly don't think we will be able to come to a long term agreement with him. This is two straight years trying to negotiate a deal and he has gotten to the point of saying he wants a trade and doesn't want to sign long term with us anymore. He may be the best player on our roster but how far has that gotten us the past few seasons?

Football is all about building the best 53 man roster that works the best together. They obviously want to retain him or they wouldn't have franchised him; but Mac is smart enough to put a cap on his worth. Everyone wants to get paid but the players objectives are in direct contrast with managements. Players have short careers and need to maximize their earning potential and management needs to build the best total rosters they can meaning getting players at the cheapest value acceptable.

I hope we can sign him to a long term deal that works for both him and the team, but currently they seem to be extremely far off in negotiations.

 

[hatnlvr]

Trouble is, 3 years is also a dumbass move. Should have given him a 1-year deal, $6M (with incentives). Period.

LOL! That's backup money and he is definitely the starter. I think $12M with incentives is a good compromise. Two year deal structured so the team can cut ties after this season if he can't duplicate the performance (or better it).

If Fitz thinks he's worth $18M structure the deal for him to prove it and they can renegotiate again next season if he does. NFL is a show me your worth league.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Whoever actually didn't show for OTA's because they were protesting the Fitz deal need to take pay cuts so he can be signed.


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[Jet Fan RI]

LOL! That's backup money and he is definitely the starter. I think $12M with incentives is a good compromise. Two year deal structured so the team can cut ties after this season if he can't duplicate the performance (or better it).

If Fitz thinks he's worth $18M structure the deal for him to prove it and they can renegotiate again next season if he does. NFL is a show me your worth league.

The guy is a journeyman QB at the end of his career. He has zero options other than playing fro the Jets or retiring. Fitz is schooling the Jets on how to do business, and the Jets are coming out really bad in this transaction. I had hopes for a better future with the new FO. Those hopes have been reduced to ashes if this rumored offer is really true.

 

[hatnlvr]

The guy is a journeyman QB at the end of his career. He has zero options other than playing fro the Jets or retiring. Fitz is schooling the Jets on how to do business, and the Jets are coming out really bad in this transaction. I had hopes for a better future with the new FO. Those hopes have been reduced to ashes if this rumored offer is really true.

I think Mac has done a great job and hasn't been schooled by anyone yet. They are looking for a happy medium and quite honestly they both need each other. I can't hate on Fitz for trying to get one last payday but at some point he needs to come to grips and take-it or leave-it. Going $12M the team is only outbidding themselves so this is more good will then anyone else would extend.

 

[hobson54]

The guy is a journeyman QB at the end of his career. He has zero options other than playing fro the Jets or retiring. Fitz is schooling the Jets on how to do business, and the Jets are coming out really bad in this transaction. I had hopes for a better future with the new FO. Those hopes have been reduced to ashes if this rumored offer is really true.

lol...i love internet GMs who think you can just make a player, let alone a well respected team leader, take whatever you deem appropriate. my way or the highway sure won't buy you any favors in the locker room or with prospective free agents down the road. but here on a message board, it's an easy position to take.

sounds like you want geno to be the QB, because your hardball tactics will leave you with the unappealing choices of geno or 2 not ready QBs. so is it geno, petty or hack you think should start the year?

 

[Jet Fan RI]

lol...i love internet GMs who think you can just make a player, let alone a well respected team leader, take whatever you deem appropriate. my way or the highway sure won't buy you any favors in the locker room or with prospective free agents down the road. but here on a message board, it's an easy position to take.

sounds like you want geno to be the QB, because your hardball tactics will leave you with the unappealing choices of geno or 2 not ready QBs. so is it geno, petty or hack you think should start the year?

Interesting. So you're something more than an internet GM? Which NFL team are you the GM for?

And actually, I would be happy with either Geno or Fitz as the starter. I'd like to see them both compute for the position. I was very happy with the way Fitz played last year, but I also feel Geno deserves another chance. If Fitz had been willing to return at a reasonable pay increase, something with a relatively low guaranteed amount and significant playoff-related incentives, that would have been great. But when he decided to play hardball with the Jets, I figured to hell with him. I'm more interested in using the cap money to do things like keeping Wilkerson happy, rather than pissing it away on a charitable overpayment of Fitz.

 

[hatnlvr]

Geno getting a 2nd chance is absolutely hilarious! He should have never gotten the 1st chance, he wasn't the best man coming out of his first "joke" of a competition but we lost the best option in the Mickey Mouse bowl. He was ordained the starter through attrition and hasn't earned the job yet.

Bottom line, if Fitz is resigned I don't think Geno makes it to camp. He will be cut and should be cut.

 

[OCCH]

I hear what your saying and i'am all in in re-signing Mo, but if we have no QB this year, its like playing a chess game with no Queen piece.

I understand the analogy, but having Fitz does not necessarily qualify as having a "Queen". He's better than what we have, but that doesn't mean we bid against ourselves for his services.

I feel there's more to this and Mac has a plan that will blow this fan base out the water when its all said and done. (in a positive way of course keeping both of them).

I definitely agree with this part, but I'm not sure it will initially "blow the fan base out of the water" -- it may be one of those decisions that need time to prove if he was right or not . . .

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Geno getting a 2nd chance is absolutely hilarious! He should have never gotten the 1st chance, he wasn't the best man coming out of his first "joke" of a competition but we lost the best option in the Mickey Mouse bowl. He was ordained the starter through attrition and hasn't earned the job yet.

Bottom line, if Fitz is resigned I don't think Geno makes it to camp. He will be cut and should be cut.

You might be amused by it, but if you head over to Jet Nation, you may be surprised to see that Geno is preferred over Fitz by a majority of those who have voted in a Fitz vs Geno poll. And BTW, I did not vote for Geno. I voted for the 3rd option which was to take Fitz, but only if he was willing to sign for a reasonable pay increase.

 

[skop]

The guy is a journeyman QB at the end of his career. He has zero options other than playing fro the Jets or retiring. Fitz is schooling the Jets on how to do business, and the Jets are coming out really bad in this transaction. I had hopes for a better future with the new FO. Those hopes have been reduced to ashes if this rumored offer is really true.

So, there was this guy in OAK in the early 2000's who was a "journeyman" for all intents and purposes who hooked up with two great WR's & and a RB who was supposed to have seen his better days.

Now, this "journeyman" was a competent QB all of his career, but just was never anyone's answer until he hooked up with these skilled players in OAK, and a OC who knew what he was all about. He was their answer for a while, and if I remember correctly, he was older than Fitz when the hookup occurred. They didn't win it all, but they came really close twice & were a ton of fun to watch.

FTR, Fitz & this journeyman play nothing alike, but there is history of guys like Fitz as Danny pointed out, who kept themselves "in the discussion" until their moment came. I was one of the few here last year who was off the charts excited about Fitz, and he didn't let us down.

As Sack said, and Sack is no QB apologist, let's not make it like last year was the only year Fitz was a good starter. And as Hobs said, lets not act like cutting ties with your locker room leader is a good thing (nor does it send a good message to fans or other guys on the team).

I want Fitz to sign as soon as he can, and I think we should have some faith in the new ADMIN to make the right decisions for the future while protecting now.

GUYS, THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING TO GET EXCITED ABOUT!!!

 

[Jet Fan RI]

So, there was this guy in OAK in the early 2000's who was a "journeyman" for all intents and purposes who hooked up with two great WR's & and a RB who was supposed to have seen his better days.

Now, this "journeyman" was a competent QB all of his career, but just was never anyone's answer until he hooked up with these skilled players in OAK, and a OC who knew what he was all about. He was their answer for a while, and if I remember correctly, he was older than Fitz when the hookup occurred. They didn't win it all, but they came really close twice & were a ton of fun to watch.

FTR, Fitz & this journeyman play nothing alike, but there is history of guys like Fitz as Danny pointed out, who kept themselves "in the discussion" until their moment came. I was one of the few here last year who was off the charts excited about Fitz, and he didn't let us down.

As Sack said, and Sack is no QB apologist, let's not make it like last year was the only year Fitz was a good starter. And as Hobs said, lets not act like cutting ties with your locker room leader is a good thing (nor does it send a good message to fans or other guys on the team).

I want Fitz to sign as soon as he can, and I think we should have some faith in the new ADMIN to make the right decisions for the future while protecting now.

GUYS, THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING TO GET EXCITED ABOUT!!!

Not sure who you have in mind from Oakland, but let me suggest a different example from the same town that would make your point better: Jim Plunkett. Bigtime journeyman who never did anything until he got to the Raiders. And then he won two Super Bowls for them.

And BTW, even if Fitz is the second coming of Jim Plunkett, at this point his pay should be just what I said. If he wins us a SB, then he can renegotiate.

 

[jetgreen13]

You might be amused by it, but if you head over to Jet Nation, you may be surprised to see that Geno is preferred over Fitz by a majority of those who have voted in a Fitz vs Geno poll. And BTW, I did not vote for Geno. I voted for the 3rd option which was to take Fitz, but only if he was willing to sign for a reasonable pay increase.

why are you asking JFU members to visit another jet forum??

 

[Jet Fan RI]

why are you asking JFU members to visit another jet forum??

Why not?

EDIT: Also, that's where the poll is.

 

[jetgreen13]

Why not?

EDIT: Also, that's where the poll is.

tell you what.. go back over there & start suggesting their membership should visit JFU & tell me how that works out.....