Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[OCCH]

OK, now you're being dramatic & slamming the same regime you much perfer over the last one.. bowles is on record saying the job is fitzpatrick's if/when he re-signs.. you want smith to start next season & cut ties with fitzpatrick?? outstanding.. i don't & you haven't posted anything that points to the jets wanting that scenario either..

So you DON'T want to see Geno take the next step? You DON'T want to see the player with superior physical skills start to catch up in the mental area as well? You DON'T want to have a QB for the next 10 years instead of the next 2?

Do I want Geno to start over Fitzpatrick? OF COURSE I DO, and everyone who calls himself a fan of the team should feel the same way -- BUT ONLY IF HE EARNS IT. You (and others) have already given up on him, so you won't even consider that possibility. Me (and others) know it's a long shot, but would still like to see the kid play with better teammates/coaches and hope we catch lightning in a bottle.

If the likely scenario plays out (Geno doesn't take that next step) then OF COURSE I want Fitz as Plan B. But I haven't been a fan of Fitz being Plan A since the day we signed him, so I'm certainly not going to root for it now . . .

 

[mykcuz]

So you DON'T want to see Geno take the next step? You DON'T want to see the player with superior physical skills start to catch up in the mental area as well? You DON'T want to have a QB for the next 10 years instead of the next 2?

Do I want Geno to start over Fitzpatrick? OF COURSE I DO, and everyone who calls himself a fan of the team should feel the same way -- BUT ONLY IF HE EARNS IT. You (and others) have already given up on him, so you won't even consider that possibility. Me (and others) know it's a long shot, but would still like to see the kid play with better teammates/coaches and hope we catch lightning in a bottle.

If the likely scenario plays out (Geno doesn't take that next step) then OF COURSE I want Fitz as Plan B. But I haven't been a fan of Fitz being Plan A since the day we signed him, so I'm certainly not going to root for it now . . .

2013- geno's looking great in camp, has some real zip and a big arm.
12td/21int
2014- geno's looking great in camp, has some real zip and a big arm.
13td/13int
2015-geno's looking great in camp, has some real zip and a big arm.
Oops,bitch didn't pay his special teams minimum pay teammate for a flight after no showing to his charity.
2td/1int
Replacement becomes Jets all time passing leader, both pro bowl wrs have their best years. (Geno could have done better though)
2016-geno's looking great in camp, has some real zip and a big arm.
Jets don't offer an extension of any kind, and announce a fa their starter.

Occh, please don't pervert what every rational person is saying. We want Fitz back because he's night and day better than geno. That doesn't mean we are routing against geno's personal progress. You can't just assume geno has made progress and therefore he's the starter. Based on facts, Fitz is clearly the best option at qb in 2016.

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[Bronx]

2013- geno's looking great in camp, has some real zip and a big arm.
12td/21int
2014- geno's looking great in camp, has some real zip and a big arm.
13td/13int
2015-geno's looking great in camp, has some real zip and a big arm.
Oops,bitch didn't pay his special teams minimum pay teammate for a flight after no showing to his charity.
2td/1int
Replacement becomes Jets all time passing leader, both pro bowl wrs have their best years. (Geno could have done better though)
2016-geno's looking great in camp, has some real zip and a big arm.
Jets don't offer an extension of any kind, and announce a fa their starter.

Occh, please don't pervert what every rational person is saying. We want Fitz back because he's night and day better than geno. That doesn't mean we are routing against geno's personal progress. You can't just assume geno has made progress and therefore he's the starter. Based on facts, Fitz is clearly the best option at qb in 2016.

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Maybe better. Geno has 3 years under his belt. I can say with 100% certainty , most people on this board wouldve wanted nothing to do with Fitz in his his 3rd year.

 

[jetgreen13]

Maybe better. Geno has 3 years under his belt. I can say with 100% certainty , most people on this board wouldve wanted nothing to do with Fitz in his his 3rd year.

Bx you're making it sound like fitzpatrick was a failed experiment going into year 4..

he was a 7th rounder who still hadn't gotten a sniff at being a starter..

i'm missing the comparison..

 

[Bronx]

Bx you're making it sound like fitzpatrick was a failed experiment going into year 4..

he was a 7th rounder who still hadn't gotten a sniff at being a starter..

i'm missing the comparison..

They were both not very good Qbs in year 4, and Fitz had played plenty


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[Bronx]

In year 4 and 5 , Fitz was not very good. This board would have absolutely hated his play in those years


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[SackExchange]

I don't think we're having the same conversation.

I haven't said anything about what it would take for Geno to take the job from Fitz. I simply said people are nuts if they WANT Fitz to beat out Geno. You said there are team executives that feel that way and there's no way that's based in reality.

BY FAR the best outcome for this team and its future is to not have to count on a journeyman QB behind center. There's a high likelihood that we'll have to SETTLE for that outcome, but it shouldn't be anyone's dream scenario . . .

Well, no. My dream scenario would be that Hack shows so much, he forces the team play him, and that he develops into an all-time great with the Jets for the next 15 years.

 

[OCCH]

2013- geno's looking great in camp, has some real zip and a big arm.
12td/21int
2014- geno's looking great in camp, has some real zip and a big arm.
13td/13int
2015-geno's looking great in camp, has some real zip and a big arm.
Oops,bitch didn't pay his special teams minimum pay teammate for a flight after no showing to his charity.
2td/1int
Replacement becomes Jets all time passing leader, both pro bowl wrs have their best years. (Geno could have done better though)
2016-geno's looking great in camp, has some real zip and a big arm.
Jets don't offer an extension of any kind, and announce a fa their starter.

Occh, please don't pervert what every rational person is saying. We want Fitz back because he's night and day better than geno. That doesn't mean we are routing against geno's personal progress. You can't just assume geno has made progress and therefore he's the starter. Based on facts, Fitz is clearly the best option at qb in 2016.

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I'm going to assume you don't know how this tangent started, so let's review:

1) I said fans are nuts to root for Fitz to win the job
2) another poster said that's what the Jets FO wants to happen
3) I sit in a stupor of disbelief as other posters apparently agree

There's nothing rational in saying "the kid looks good in OTAs -- I guess we have another horrible year ahead of us". If Geno stinks yet again, it will have NOTHING to do with the success he's currently enjoying. But if he turns a corner, this success will be the first signs of it.

Fans who "want Fitz to beat Geno" simply hate Geno. There's no universe where Fitz starting for us is better than one of the kids stepping up. The ONLY reason Fitz should start is if no one DOES step up (a very real possibility). By definition, that makes Fitz our worst-case scenario (assuming he signs) not our best-case . . .

 

[SackExchange]

Extrapolating this argument further, wouldn't fans who wants anyone to start over Hack be a Hack hater, since he's the youngest of the QBs?

 

[hatnlvr]

Not to distort the facts here but I never said "I want Fitz to be better than Geno" I said "he is better than Geno and our best option for this season"

Hoping/praying & whining that Geno may come into next season as not the same bum he has been to date is wishful thinking. Can he improve? Maybe, but it's clear the coaches and players want him holding a clipboard.

I don't want Fitz to be better than Geno, he is better than Geno. I'd rather have Petty or Hack leap into the starting job and flourish but I don't want to see another season of a Geno Smith turnover fest!!

 

[mykcuz]

I'm going to assume you don't know how this tangent started, so let's review:

1) I said fans are nuts to root for Fitz to win the job
2) another poster said that's what the Jets FO wants to happen
3) I sit in a stupor of disbelief as other posters apparently agree

There's nothing rational in saying "the kid looks good in OTAs -- I guess we have another horrible year ahead of us". If Geno stinks yet again, it will have NOTHING to do with the success he's currently enjoying. But if he turns a corner, this success will be the first signs of it.

Fans who "want Fitz to beat Geno" simply hate Geno. There's no universe where Fitz starting for us is better than one of the kids stepping up. The ONLY reason Fitz should start is if no one DOES step up (a very real possibility). By definition, that makes Fitz our worst-case scenario (assuming he signs) not our best-case . . .

You are speaking from a false premise. Nobody is hoping Fitz beats out geno. Fitz is light years better than geno, we want the better qb. By your logic, if the Jets signed Joe Namath we would have to wait and see if geno beats him out. Geno is clearly better than Namath at this point, and Fitz is clearly better than geno.
They aren't offering Fitz 24 million to have a competitive camp, they are offering it because of how much he is likely to improve the team.

You think McCown or foles are getting the same deal if they are cut?

If the Jets were confident in the 2 kids short term, they would extend geno 2 years and forget Fitz. If they were confident in geno, they would sign hon long term and forget about Fitz. The fact that the Jets haven't moved on from Fitz is because they have no realistic alternative.

If Fitz won't sign, and we have to roll with geno, I hope he does well. But nobody who gets paid to make jet decisions wants that.

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[JohnnyBaseball1]

So I'll go out on a limb and say that, if Geno "looking good in shorts" means we have to continue talking about him and talking about him as the starter for our team, a role in which he has failed as badly as anyone I've ever seen, then, yeah, I kinda wish he would just look bad in practice so we can cut him and move on.

And you know what? If, against all odds, he becomes a good QB, then I'll have egg on my face for suggesting that. Wouldn't be the first time. Odds are against it, though.

It's a LOT easier to fail in the NFL than it is to succeed.

 

[OCCH]

Extrapolating this argument further, wouldn't fans who wants anyone to start over Hack be a Hack hater, since he's the youngest of the QBs?

The only players in the discussion were Geno and Fitz. If you want to replace Geno with Hack, that's fine with me. It doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't be praying that a journeyman QB blesses us with his presence. He's nothing more than a necessity based on the crap we have behind him. If that crap starts to smell better, I'm ALL for it.

Not to distort the facts here but I never said "I want Fitz to be better than Geno" I said "he is better than Geno and our best option for this season"

Hoping/praying & whining that Geno may come into next season as not the same bum he has been to date is wishful thinking. Can he improve? Maybe, but it's clear the coaches and players want him holding a clipboard.

I don't want Fitz to be better than Geno, he is better than Geno. I'd rather have Petty or Hack leap into the starting job and flourish but I don't want to see another season of a Geno Smith turnover fest!!

I'd love that, too, but we may have to wait another year for it to come to fruition.

You are speaking from a false premise. Nobody is hoping Fitz beats out geno. Fitz is light years better than geno, we want the better qb. By your logic, if the Jets signed Joe Namath we would have to wait and see if geno beats him out. Geno is clearly better than Namath at this point, and Fitz is clearly better than geno.
They aren't offering Fitz 24 million to have a competitive camp, they are offering it because of how much he is likely to improve the team.

You think McCown or foles are getting the same deal if they are cut?

If the Jets were confident in the 2 kids short term, they would extend geno 2 years and forget Fitz. If they were confident in geno, they would sign hon long term and forget about Fitz. The fact that the Jets haven't moved on from Fitz is because they have no realistic alternative.

If Fitz won't sign, and we have to roll with geno, I hope he does well. But nobody who gets paid to make jet decisions wants that.

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Nobody wants to go into the season without Fitz on the roster. EVERYONE should want to see the kids improve to the point that he doesn't see the field. Well, everyone except . . .

So I'll go out on a limb and say that, if Geno "looking good in shorts" means we have to continue talking about him and talking about him as the starter for our team, a role in which he has failed as badly as anyone I've ever seen, then, yeah, I kinda wish he would just look bad in practice so we can cut him and move on.

And you know what? If, against all odds, he becomes a good QB, then I'll have egg on my face for suggesting that. Wouldn't be the first time. Odds are against it, though.

It's a LOT easier to fail in the NFL than it is to succeed.

 

[SackExchange]

Basically, those who want Fitz back are interested in some level of short-term success. Those who are not are willing to toss aside the next season or two for the benefit of long-term development.

 

[mykcuz]

Basically, those who want Fitz back are interested in some level of short-term success. Those who are not are willing to toss aside the next season or two for the benefit of long-term development.

I disagree.

I believe what mac is attempting is pretty brilliant. We have a great team. Explosive offense and a tough defense. By the time 2 seasons go by Marshall, Decker, and Forte, Revis, will be gone. So why have these guys? Why pay them if we are sacrificing the next 2 years? Just trade them all and stockpile picks.

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[skop]

I disagree.

I believe what mac is attempting is pretty brilliant. We have a great team. Explosive offense and a tough defense. By the time 2 seasons go by Marshall, Decker, and Forte, Revis, will be gone. So why have these guys? Why pay them if we are sacrificing the next 2 years? Just trade them all and stockpile picks.

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so, you're saying that Mac wants to keep the team together bc he sees a SB Run for the next season or two? If he didn't, he would just trade the parts for picks to get in the upcoming drafts?

If so, I don't disagree, but I think Sack was speaking about the mind set of the fans...1.) develop the kids or 2.) sign Fitz bc we can win now.

 

[mykcuz]

so, you're saying that Mac wants to keep the team together bc he sees a SB Run for the next season or two? If he didn't, he would just trade the parts for picks to get in the upcoming drafts?

If so, I don't disagree, but I think Sack was speaking about the mind set of the fans...1.) develop the kids or 2.) sign Fitz bc we can win now.

I disagree with his assertion that trying to win now means throwing away future development. I think mac has balanced being competitive in a real way, worth some great young pieces.

No nfl team throws away a season to test out 2nd and 4th round qbs,or at all.

What if the 2 kids are busts. We throw away these players chance of making a run for an experiment?

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[OCCH]

Basically, those who want Fitz back are interested in some level of short-term success. Those who are not are willing to toss aside the next season or two for the benefit of long-term development.

I agree to a point.

I personally don't want to "toss aside the next season or two". To me, that means throwing the kids to the wolves and hoping one survives. If we can get Fitz in here at a reasonable price, let's do it -- that way he plays if we need him and sits if we don't.

But I'm also not interested in "short-term success" if it looks anything like 2015. If these guys think Fitz can take us deep into the playoffs, then pay the man. But if that's what they think, then why haven't they? And if losing Fitz means signing Mo, then we can't just look at it as a Fitz/Geno debate . . .

 

[OCCH]

I disagree.

I believe what mac is attempting is pretty brilliant. We have a great team. Explosive offense and a tough defense. By the time 2 seasons go by Marshall, Decker, and Forte, Revis, will be gone. So why have these guys? Why pay them if we are sacrificing the next 2 years? Just trade them all and stockpile picks.

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I disagree with his assertion that trying to win now means throwing away future development. I think mac has balanced being competitive in a real way, worth some great young pieces.

No nfl team throws away a season to test out 2nd and 4th round qbs,or at all.

What if the 2 kids are busts. We throw away these players chance of making a run for an experiment?

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So you're impressed with Macc's philosophy, even though he hasn't signed Fitz? Can I assume your attitude will do a 180 if Fitz walks away from the table?

 

[mykcuz]

So you're impressed with Macc's philosophy, even though he hasn't signed Fitz? Can I assume your attitude will do a 180 if Fitz walks away from the table?

Well that's a big gamble isn't it. Fitz and mo.
I feel mac's legacy, short term, will be based on how he resolves mos contract.

My opinion of Mac is not so erratic, that it's based on day to day developments. It's based on overall flow and moves add they pan out. In the nfl,there is no end. There's no point where you go ok we made it. Look at the pats, even if you win a super bowl it's ,"ok now we're going to lose a bunch of important players we can't pay, how do we fill the voids, and who are we as a team? "

So far I think mac has set us up with talented players that work well together who are older, and he's out some interesting young players in the mix who will ideally start to bud as the current guys age out. We're building through the draft, some guys didn't pan out yet, but some are. My overall feel from mac is we ate going in the right direction and we can trust him to be the captain. Jmho.

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