Forget who the backup QB is, the more important question is:

Green Jets & Ham

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Is Bryce Petty giving you a reason to be optimistic about the future?

Yes, the more immediate concern is who will assume the backup QB mantle, no-one is denying that, but lets not lose sight of the big picture either. We didn't draft Petty and Hackenberg in the hopes of finding a backup Quarterback, we drafted them in the hopes of developing a STARTING QUARTERBACK for the foreseeable future.

Ryan Fitzpatrick was a nice story last year and I'm glad we brought him back, buys us another year to bring the young QB's along at the proper pace, which gives them the best chance for longterm success. But make no mistake about it, Fitz was brought back on a one year deal and the Jets are hoping one of these kids will emerge as the starter in 2017.

That said, this is basically a Red Shirt Year for Hackenberg, as it was for Petty one year ago, so there's no point in discussing Hack now, there's nothing to go on other than college projections and wishful thinking.

Petty, on the other hand, is in year two and the Huggies are off. Now we're getting a real glimpse into what he might be, and I have to be honest with you, I am liking what I'm seeing, big-time. Admittedly its a small sample, but I'm seeing things that tell me we might have hit pay-dirt with Petty.

The first thing you have to understand, when people say he's doing this stuff verses 2's and 3's, he is also doing this stuff WITH 2's and 3's and behind a sieve of an Offensive Line. He has seen very few 'clean pockets' in these games. Most of the plays he is making are coming out of the pocket, due to self preservation, or a hair before he is getting blasted, yet he's hanging in there and making good throws for the most part, knowing he's going to get hit.

This implies a real toughness, physical and mental, and thats a big requirement to succeed in this league. It also indicates that he is making quick decisions, by necessity, being forced to make quick decisions, and he is making GOOD DECISIONS regardless. This too is a big development because the main knock against Petty coming out of college was that he played in a rudimentary system at Baylor, and now he needs to learn advanced calculus. Some people doubted he could make that transition, or if he could, that it would probably take years (plural). Well we are seeing some real indications that he has good study habits, good instincts, good recall, and its translating to the field in real time. This is huge because there were never any doubts about his physical ability to play in this league. He has the size, the arm and enough mobility to play in this league, nobody ever doubted it, it was always about the transition he needs to make from 2+2=4 to E=Mc2.

Yes, its still too early to make any definitive assessments on the degree of his learning curve, the preseason is mostly vanilla, but he's clearly getting comfortable with an NFL playbook. Reading complicated NFL defenses remains to be seen, but he looks confident and he is making some really good throws under siege.

In another thread jets82 laments that the Cowboys appear to have gotten lucky with Dak Prescott in the 4th RD, and he wonders why we never get lucky like that?

To steal a phrase from Lee Corso ... "NOT SO FAST, MY FRIEND!!!"

I'm seeing some real indications, albeit a year later, that we might have gotten lucky in the 4th RD too.
 
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NYJDraftKing

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It looks like the Vikings may be in need of a back-up who might step in for Teddy Bridgewater, .... they are concerned with Bidgewater's shoulder ... think we can weasel a trird round pick out of them? right now they have 36 year old Shaun Hill as his backup.
 

McJet

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If any team gave a third rounder for Geno they would be getting :Banane56:
 

DavidO

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It looks like the Vikings may be in need of a back-up who might step in for Teddy Bridgewater, .... they are concerned with Bidgewater's shoulder ... think we can weasel a trird round pick out of them? right now they have 36 year old Shaun Hill as his backup.
I'd settle for a 4th round... [emoji6]

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Mainejet

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Absolutely YES...and I posted as much in that Dak Prescott thread. My hope is we are all not going to far right now, but I am thinking that Petty has made the step successfully from an experiment from a single read offense to a real live professional QB. Not for a second am I saying he's ready to take on the Broncos for the SB, but I am thinking albeit a second string at best QB right now, a QB that can be trained. He IS making those progressions that are so important for a professional QB.

And it is this type of thing that gets you thinking.....What is this kid's ceiling? Is it possible we could be looking at another NFL great in the making?

One thing I know for certain is there is no way Mac cuts Bryce Petty loose anytime soon.......He is our future.
 
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What has impressed me the most thus far is the long ball he threw to Robbie Anderson on Friday. that freakin' pass was a thing of beauty. It show touch. Petty dropped that pass into a bucket and hit Robbie Anderson in stride. It also just seemed so effortless. Like making perfect touch passes has never been an issue of his? It's also probably true to say Petty has a better arm than Geno and really I never thought you could see a much better arm than Geno's. Well, Petty can throw passes on a rope when he wants to, but he can also drop them in a bucket when needed. It shows versatility with a least acceptable accuracy for the time being...
 

Pattycakes

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I really like what I've seen from him so far... Yeah it's only preseason i get it. He looks good though, comfortable and confident. He looks like he really has command of the offense.
 

Green Jets & Ham

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Bryce Petty has earned Jets roster spot and now deserves chance to compete with Geno Smith for No. 2 QB job

Bryce Petty has sucked the suspense out of this whole deal, stripping armchair quarterbacks of two more weeks of speculation: He’s making this football team.

These Jets are no dummies. They are blessed with the gift of sight. They fully realize that the second-year quarterback has earned a roster spot even if none of them will make the public declaration just yet. Petty is the best kind of “project.” He’s actually provided tangible evidence of improvement.

It’s the Summer of Bryce, where good things will happen so long as the young signal caller doesn’t slip on party invitations before the end of the preseason.

Petty’s spirited play Friday night in Washington was the latest evidence that he’ll be on the roster this season, prompting the new most important question: Should he have a chance to replace Geno Smith as the Jets No. 2 quarterback?

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Smith looked like the project in the second preseason game with physical and mental gaffes befitting a lost rookie. He stared down a receiver before a telegraphed pass was picked off by a safety. He had a brain freeze on an intentional grounding penalty. He inspired nobody.

This just in: The Jets don’t owe Smith a damn thing. He used to be an erratic, below-average starter with tantalizing highs and maddening lows. Why should he be handed the backup gig now?

Sure, Smith has more experience than Petty, but what good is it if he’s regressing in a new system? Petty played with energy and urgency. Smith played like he had just rolled out of bed.

Petty sparked. Smith sputtered.

“I didn’t say there wasn’t a competition,” Todd Bowles said after his defense squandered a lead that Petty gave him in a 22-18 loss in Washington. “Right now, Geno is two and Bryce is three…. Anybody can push anybody for any job… Every position is open.”

Bowles gave the ol’ gotta-watch-the-film routine before drawing any conclusions about his quarterbacks, but the truth was plain to see: Petty out-played Smith and absolutely deserves an opportunity to compete for the No. 2 job over the final two weeks of the preseason. Petty, not Smith, should get the lion’s share of backup reps in practice too.

“If you’re gunning to be the backup, I think you’re wrong,” said Petty, who is 23 for 40 for 336 yards and two touchdowns this preseason. “I think we’re all gunning to be the starter. I know it’s different here. But in my mind, I want to push Ryan, because you’re one snap away from playing.”

Petty’s confidence is palpable, which says plenty about him given his perceived uncertain future the moment that second-round pick Christian Hackenberg walked through the door. Petty has never whined or moped. Smith should take body language tips from him.

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Petty is playing fast and relatively smart, showing flashes of his intriguing talent.

“He’s more confident in his reads and therefore the ball’s coming out a lot better,” Fitzpatrick said. “I think he’s done a great job all preseason even with the situation with everything up in the air. Who knows? Just grinding every day.”

Petty is everything that Smith should be, but isn’t. He is young and inexperienced, but exudes a leadership vibe that the man currently ahead of him on the depth chart lacks. He is still a project with miles to go before he sleeps. How good will be become? Nobody knows, but he’s shown enough to warrant a roster spot and real chance to climb the ladder.

He has a cannon for an arm and a fearless spirit (see: 19-yard and 42-yard TD passes against Washington, while getting pummeled in the pocket), which surprises nobody. His mind is slowly catching up with smarter protection calls and reads.

“I’m getting better at it,” Petty said of grasping the mental side of playing quarterback. “I spend a lot of time in the film room, but it’s got to transition to the field. It does, but it’s at a slower pace than I want to. But I definitely feel a lot more comfortable than I did last year.”

He has had a singular focus for months now: Show the powers that be that he belongs here. “That’s what I’m trying to do,” Petty said. “That’s the (goal when) I wake up every day: Try to make that as hard of a decision as possible.”

That decision is no longer hard. He belongs.

Now he should have a chance at a promotion.
 
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flgreen

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Is Bryce Petty giving you a reason to be optimistic about the future?

Yes, the more immediate concern is who will assume the backup QB mantle, no-one is denying that, but lets not lose sight of the big picture either. We didn't draft Petty and Hackenberg in the hopes of finding a backup Quarterback, we drafted them in the hopes of developing a STARTING QUARTERBACK for the foreseeable future.

Ryan Fitzpatrick was a nice story last year and I'm glad we brought him back, buys us another year to bring the young QB's along at the proper pace, which gives them the best chance for longterm success. But make no mistake about it, Fitz was brought back on a one year deal and the Jets are hoping one of these kids will emerge as the starter in 2017.

That said, this is basically a Red Shirt Year for Hackenberg, as it was for Petty one year ago, so there's no point in discussing Hack now, there's nothing to go on other than college projections and wishful thinking.

Petty, on the other hand, is in year two and the Huggies are off. Now we're getting a real glimpse into what he might be, and I have to be honest with you, I am liking what I'm seeing, big-time. Admittedly its a small sample, but I'm seeing things that tell me we might have hit pay-dirt with Petty.

The first thing you have to understand, when people say he's doing this stuff verses 2's and 3's, he is also doing this stuff WITH 2's and 3's and behind a sieve of an Offensive Line. He has seen very few 'clean pockets' in these games. Most of the plays he is making are coming out of the pocket, due to self preservation, or a hair before he is getting blasted, yet he's hanging in there and making good throws for the most part, knowing he's going to get hit.

This implies a real toughness, physical and mental, and thats a big requirement to succeed in this league. It also indicates that he is making quick decisions, by necessity, being forced to make quick decisions, and he is making GOOD DECISIONS regardless. This too is a big development because the main knock against Petty coming out of college was that he played in a rudimentary system at Baylor, and now he needs to learn advanced calculus. Some people doubted he could make that transition, or if he could, that it would probably take years (plural). Well we are seeing some real indications that he has good study habits, good instincts, good recall, and its translating to the field in real time. This is huge because there were never any doubts about his physical ability to play in this league. He has the size, the arm and enough mobility to play in this league, nobody ever doubted it, it was always about the transition he needs to make from 2+2=4 to E=Mc2.

Yes, its still too early to make any definitive assessments on the degree of his learning curve, the preseason is mostly vanilla, but he's clearly getting comfortable with an NFL playbook. Reading complicated NFL defenses remains to be seen, but he looks confident and he is making some really good throws under siege.

In another thread jets82 laments that the Cowboys appear to have gotten lucky with Dak Prescott in the 4th RD, and he wonders why we never get lucky like that?

To steal a phrase from Lee Corso ... "NOT SO FAST, MY FRIEND!!!"

I'm seeing some real indications, albeit a year later, that we might have gotten lucky in the 4th RD too.



Great Post Ham

I've been on the Petty train since the jets drafted him. At that time most people were saying "He sucks. He's a 4th rounder. He'll never be more then a journeyman back up"

People forget at the end of the 2013 season, a lot of "draft guru's" had him as a top 10 pick. He was know as a gun slinger. Some draft guides were saying he had a "naturally accurate" deep ball. A lot of people were comparing him to Bret Favre. We are seeing that again now.


The first game of the 2014 season Petty suffered two cracks in his transverse process. 2 bones in his neck, close to his spine. It's not a permanent injury, but a very painful lingering injury. Petty played the whole season in a lot of BIG pain. Still played well. 3855 yards, 64% accuracy, 29 TD's and 7 picks. 158 QB rate. Pretty excellent season. Just wasn't as good as the previous year. It wasn't know at the time the kind of pain he was playing in until the season ended.

Some people still had him as a late first rounder, and were very anxious to see him in the Senior Bowl.

He had a horrible Senior Bowl week. Had no idea how to play from under center. Drop back from center was almost comical. Just didn't look like he could play in the NFL. Even with that cannon arm.

People are stunned this year how well he is playing under center. I'm not that surprised. I was surprised in the early spring that he didn't seem to have improved. When he played in the preseason game against Atlanta last year, he had made a quantum leap under center. Looked like he belonged.

Petty said after his 0-8 practice, when the scribes were asking him if he would be cut, that he just tried to do to much. Tried to be perfect, and was over thinking. Said he was going to go back to his "inner Favre" and just relax and throw the ball up-field.

That's what we are seeing right now. Plus his foot work from under center is vastly improved, not perfect, but very improved. Kid has a trait that can't be taught. The "Quick release". A lot of the great QB's had it including Namath. Doesn't need to wind up to throw a rocket. Just brings that ball behind his ear, and BANG! It comes out with a lot of juice on it in a flash.

Petty still needs some work. Gun slingers have a common flaw. They also throw some interceptions between 60 yard TD's. I can live with that. Hope every one isn't going to get crazy when a few come. The BIG TD's will still be 3-1 or so when the time is right.

Petty might not be 100% ready for the "Big Show" the starting job at this exact moment, but I think he is in a perfect
situation sitting behind Fitz for a season.

Jets MAY have found their QB.
 
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I'd settle for a 4th round... [emoji6]

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Sorry David, smith has almost no trade value right now. I had hoped the Jets could get a 6th-7th for him. Just can't see it unless Macc brings a gun to the negotiations.

If the Jets release him, and they should, someone will pick him up, but no one is giving up a draft pick.

Hope I'm wrong
 
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DavidO

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Sorry David, smith has almost no trade value right now. I had hoped the Jets could get a 6th-7th for him. Just can't see it unless Macc brings a gun to the negotiations.

If the Jets release him, and they should, someone will pick him up, but no one is giving up a draft pick.

Hope I'm wrong
Lol... Yeah. No chance! Tbh I just think that releasing him is the answer and we get to look forward to having Petty/Hack lead the team!

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flgreen

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Lol... Yeah. No chance! Tbh I just think that releasing him is the answer and we get to look forward to having Petty/Hack lead the team!

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Yep

I really don't care which of the young guns it is. Both are real good kids with a lot of talent. Just higher on Petty. Hack has big time accuracy issues. Some times very hard to fix. Would love to see the next QB controversy be Hack and Petty, not because one failed, but because both are top shelf.

Hey I can dream. :)
 
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Mainejet

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Yep

I really don't care which of the young guns it is. Both are real good kids with a lot of talent. Just higher on Petty. Hack has big time accuracy issues. Some times very hard to fix. Would love to see the next QB controversy be Hack and Petty, not because one failed, but because both are top shelf.

Hey I can dream. :)

One at a time FLgreen...:global (23):
 

DavidO

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Jet Fanatics
Yep

I really don't care which of the young guns it is. Both are real good kids with a lot of talent. Just higher on Petty. Hack has big time accuracy issues. Some times very hard to fix. Would love to see the next QB controversy be Hack and Petty, not because one failed, but because both are top shelf.

Hey I can dream. :)
I have high hopes for Petty. Never really seen him in College - coverage of College football isn't great in the UK - but of all the mid round QBs in last year's draft, he was the one that I like the most after watching videos (love YouTube 😊)...

Jack I haven't seen much of, but if Petty turns out well, Hack hopefully will make a good backup!

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lounap23

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Yep

I really don't care which of the young guns it is. Both are real good kids with a lot of talent. Just higher on Petty. Hack has big time accuracy issues. Some times very hard to fix. Would love to see the next QB controversy be Hack and Petty, not because one failed, but because both are top shelf.

Hey I can dream. :)

I'm dreaming with you..
 

lounap23

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Jet Fanatics
AS pointed out... Petty was considered a Top 10 pick going into his senior year... He dropped as far as he did because of his injury senior year.... He played thru his back injury and got hur again late in the year and played thru it.... and the Baylor offense and the RGIII stigma I believe backed off a lot of teams... THe kid is top 10 talent and dropping to Rd4 I believe was a blessing for us and for him... Casue these 2 years to learn the NFL speed and how to read Defenses at the line are invaluable....This kid is the real deal...
 
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