Game Thread: NY Jets @ Buffalo Bills

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any way either of these make it to 20th

esp stanley he can replace giacomni

Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State
Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State
 

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any way either of these make it to 20th

esp stanley he can replace giacomni

Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State
Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State

I would love to see an OT come in early, start at RT, and groom for a season or two to take over at LT.
 

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Well I guess I have to finally admit it that Fitz did a lot more them I expected this year. I always believed this was a capable 10-11 win team this year with Fitz or Geno but I figured it would be more on the defense, running game and WRs helping the QB. Fitz actually played very well this year (besides this Bills game) ofcourse. Sg3 had been saying it all along that Fitz would take this team further then Geno and the way he preformed this year, I now believe that is true. Yes he did let us down this Bills game but so did the entire team and coaches. This was a team loss and a embarrassing one also. I have to give props to Fitz this year and Sg3 and others who called it this year that Fitz would be a better fit then Geno for this team. I think it's pretty evident by his stats that this is the case and AS MUCH AS I HATE GIVING SG3 PROPS FOR ANYTHING HE SAYS OR SAID WHEN HE WAS A MEMBER OF THIS SITE, HE WAS DEAD ON RIGHT ABOUT THIS ONE!!! To bad the season ended like this but it is what it is I guess. Question is, can Fitz do this again next year or does Petty or someone else beat him out for the job?
 

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I respectfully disagree.

If we did everything we could, we would have showed up like a team on a mission today, beat the Buffalo Bills, and we would be in the playoffs. Thats the truth of it, Tebow, fact of the matter is, we DIDN'T do everything we could because we didn't finish the job when we were 60 minutes away and controlled our own destiny.

I won't sugarcoat this ... I SAW IT COMING ... I saw this letdown coming ... unfortunately our head coach didn't see it too, or if he did, he didn't do enough to combat it ... so everything we accomplished this year was for nothing.

And just because we don't want to have a letdown means we just walk in there and win. Shit happens in sports. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking we are superior to Buffalo or anyone.


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That you say this confirms how much better Bowles is than Rex.
I don't share Maine's opinion that Rex is better than Bowles. I agree with you that Rex just knows how to get his teams up for the games that matter most to him, but over the course of 16 Games his teams underachieve whereas Bowles seem to get more consistency out of his team.

THAT SAID, Bowles lost twice to Rex this year, the second one with his team 60 minutes away from the playoffs, and if you are the owner of the Jets, if you are Woody Johnson, thats a real bitter pill to swallow. The coach you just fired beat your new HC twice and is directly responsible for keeping you out of the playoffs and ending your season.

Make no mistake about it, Bowles inability to get his team ready to play today and match Buffalo's intensity is a big part of the reason why our season went down in flames today ... courtesy of Rex Ryan.
 
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I don't share Maine's opinion that Rex is better than Bowles. I agree with you that Rex just knows how to get his teams up for the games that matter most to him, but over the course of 16 Games his teams underachieve whereas Bowles seem to get more consistency out of his team.

THAT SAID, Bowles lost twice to Rex this year, the second one with his team 60 minutes away from the playoffs, and if you are the owner of the Jets, if you are Woody Johnson, thats a real bitter pill to swallow. The coach you just fired beat your new HC twice and is directly responsible for keeping you out of the playoffs and ending your season.

Make no mistake about it, Bowles inability to get his team ready to play today and match Buffalo's intensity is a big part of the reason why our season went down in flames today ... courtesy of Rex Ryan.

I think you are blaming bowles to much this team should have won when your wr's drop 50 percent of the passes thrown and your third string rb sucks not alot a coach can do IMO.

Keeping revis on watkins though was a huge coaching snafu because watkins killed revis.
 

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any way either of these make it to 20th

esp stanley he can replace giacomni

Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State
Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State

eh still like Kyle Murphy from Stanford or Joe Haeg from N. Dakota State in the 2nd round...

we might be in play for Conklin but don't think he translate to tackle could be an interior lineman at this level
 
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eh still like Kyle Murphy from Stanford or Joe Haeg from N. Dakota State in the 2nd round...

we might be in play for Conklin but don't think he translate to tackle could be an interior lineman at this level

yeah stanley is my first choice by far but would be fine with decker and conklin also
 

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I don't share Maine's opinion that Rex is better than Bowles. I agree with you that Rex just knows how to get his teams up for the games that matter most to him, but over the course of 16 Games his teams underachieve whereas Bowles seem to get more consistency out of his team.

THAT SAID, Bowles lost twice to Rex this year, the second one with his team 60 minutes away from the playoffs, and if you are the owner of the Jets, if you are Woody Johnson, thats a real bitter pill to swallow. The coach you just fired beat your new HC twice and is directly responsible for keeping you out of the playoffs and ending your season.

Make no mistake about it, Bowles inability to get his team ready to play today and match Buffalo's intensity, is a big part of the reason why our season went down in flames today ... courtesy of Rex Ryan.

I'd be more concerned if Bowles' record was 8-8 and Rex's was 10-6.

Rex would be great coaching, say, an all-star game, or some sort of one off game. Over the course of a season, his rah rah wears thin on a team. He can still get a team up for the big game, but his teams are terribly inconsistent.

I'd rather have Bowles for a 16 game season. Maybe Rex a little more for the playoffs. But I think the steady, consistent approach has more long-term viability.
 

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I don't share Maine's opinion that Rex is better than Bowles. I agree with you that Rex just knows how to get his teams up for the games that matter most to him, but over the course of 16 Games his teams underachieve whereas Bowles seem to get more consistency out of his team.

THAT SAID, Bowles lost twice to Rex this year, the second one with his team 60 minutes away from the playoffs, and if you are the owner of the Jets, if you are Woody Johnson, thats a real bitter pill to swallow. The coach you just fired beat your new HC twice and is directly responsible for keeping you out of the playoffs and ending your season.

Make no mistake about it, Bowles inability to get his team ready to play today and match Buffalo's intensity is a big part of the reason why our season went down in flames today ... courtesy of Rex Ryan.

I know you are blowing off steam but get this corrected right now, this team is almost complete... Understand this Chan Gailey was at the heart of this loss from the beginning of the first drive to the poor 4th quarter play calling... As for Bowles vs Ryan, we did end up 10 - 6 from a Rex Ryan 4 - 12 season, which is an accomplishment in itself...

Divisional games are very important and yes we lost twice to the Bills, but we also swept the Dolphins and should of swept the Patriots but split them... There were other games this season that we should of won, hate the way the showed up today but it is what it is and now it is off season to fix the negatives of this team and continue building a successful team moving forward...

This off season will be the real test to see what type of regime we have in the front office, as all moves will be theirs to hang their hats on for next season...

G.
 

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I think you are blaming bowles to much this team should have won when your wr's drop 50 percent of the passes thrown and your third string rb sucks not alot a coach can do IMO.

Keeping revis on watkins though was a huge coaching snafu because watkins killed revis.
I can't and don't fault Bowles for the offense, there are a lot of reasons why the offense struggled, partly the weather and partly the players, but Bowles is a defensive coach and he clearly did not have his defense motivated and angry to start this game. Buffalo's offense dominated the first quarter and jumped out to a quick 13-0 lead, and IMO thats why we lost this game, you can't spot a team 13 Points on the road in bad weather and expect to win. All season this team had a problem with slow starts and thats on the HC, and IMO the defensive performance we saw from this team today, particularly in the first quarter, was nothing short of disgraceful.

The HC, being a defensive coach, takes a big hit for this debacle in my view.

AND YES, not giving Revis safety help with Watkins over the top, so Revis could have played more bump & run without the fear of getting beat deep, thus Watkins would not have had those five yard cushions all day, was a huge strategic blunder, especially when Watkins was the only WR they had who scared you.

IMO a lot of this loss is on Bowles ... Rex out-coached him the first time and out-coached him again this time ... both times Rex's team brought way more intensity to the game and opened big leads early.

Both times we tried to mount late comebacks, and both times it was too little too late.
 
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Everyone has to relax because the majority of this team was Rex Ryan's fingerprints so he knew how to attack us... Next season I guarantee we will play with a different intensity and not even Rex will know how to game plan us...

Have to give it too Bowles coming into this market and take a losing team and turn them around in one season to a winning atmosphere but now they have to take the next step next year and get into the playoffs no excuses...
 

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Jets played 85% in zone coverage defensive sets which had Revis playing off coverage... This was poor play calling on the defensive side but they were trying to prevent the deep pass... Maybe they should of used a hybrid man zone, but don't know if they have that play call in their game plan...
 

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Bowles didn't have this team ready against Rex both games... As someone said earlier Rex knows how to motivate guys when the game is personal to him but over a full season he just doesn't get his team as amped... Not sure why but that will always be Rex's down fall.
 

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if anyone noticed how they started with Ridley in - they diverted early from their original game plan because of the loss of Bilal Powell... Instead of changing shit up they should of stuck with their original style and leaned on Ivory with Ridley as the #2... Especially in this weather our dialed down power style rushing would of controlled the game...

just like last time against Buffalo, Gailey tried to get cute and it costed us early and we were never able to recover...

hopefully moving forward lessons are learned on what not to do in key situations...
 
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yep time to get rid of alot of rex guys let them go to buffalo.
 

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I'd be more concerned if Bowles' record was 8-8 and Rex's was 10-6.

Rex would be great coaching, say, an all-star game, or some sort of one off game. Over the course of a season, his rah rah wears thin on a team. He can still get a team up for the big game, but his teams are terribly inconsistent.

I'd rather have Bowles for a 16 game season. Maybe Rex a little more for the playoffs. But I think the steady, consistent approach has more long-term viability.
I agree for the most part, but there are times when an even keeled coach has to recognize that his team is in real danger of a letdown, like coming off an emotionally draining win over the hated Patriots. I warned all week that this game had letdown written all over it. At times I felt like I was being a killjoy, but I've been watching this league a long time, once upon a time I used to bet big money on these games, so I got pretty good at recognizing possible letdowns and this one had letdown written all over it, regardless of the stakes.

I feared that with every fiber of my being and I just couldn't keep it a secret. I was HOPING TO GOD Bowles saw it too. Maybe he did and maybe he didn't, but he didn't say anything this week to give me the impression that he SAW IT and was ON IT. In fact, earlier in the week Rick DiPietro tried to warn him about it too on ESPN Radio. DePietro was a professional athlete and he's also a Jets fans, and he talked about how his Islanders teams would have letdowns after emotional wins over the Rangers. He tried to discuss this with Bowles, just to make him aware of it, and to be honest, Bowles was mostly dismissive and said we're just gonna keep doing what we're doing.

WRONG ANSWER!!!!!

Thats what made me even more fearful and it was after that interview, and Bowles response, that I started to post about it. Its fine if you want to take an even keeled approach for a long season, not get too high or too low, I GET THAT, but when you are down to the last game of the season, coming off an emotionally draining win over a hated rival, and you are facing a coach who knows how to get his teams up for the games that matter to him, and you know he wants to knock you out of the playoffs more than he wants sex or food, and you are playing this game in their building ... you have to know, as a coach, that now is not the time for even keel, now is the time to get my team emotionally ready to play and win this game, by any means necessary.

IMO thats where Bowles failed this week. Rex got his team ready for WAR, they came out intense and determined, with a sense of purpose, and Bowles team was nowhere's close to matching their intensity. It was everything I feared about the start of this game and Bowles did nothing to combat it. If he even tried, it wasn't enough.

Thats not to say he's a bad coach, but you have to know when to ditch the normal playbook and go DEFCON 1, and this was the time to go DEFCON 1, this was not the time for going about your business as usual.
 
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Jets played 85% in zone coverage defensive sets which had Revis playing off coverage... This was poor play calling on the defensive side but they were trying to prevent the deep pass... Maybe they should of used a hybrid man zone, but don't know if they have that play call in their game plan...
They should have put Revis on Watkins in a strict bump & run, no cushion, bump him at the line of scrimmage and make him earn every catch ... AND THEN, a safety over the top should Watkins break free.

He was their only real threat in the passing game an IMO thats how he should have been bracketed all game.
 
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They should have put Revis on Watkins in a strict bump & run, no cushion, bump him at the line of scrimmage and make him earn every catch ... AND THEN, a safety over the top should Watkins break free.

He was there only real threat in the passing game an IMO thats how he should have been bracketed all game.

I know but just telling you what they were doing and why...

This was all Kacy Rodgers not Todd Bowles game plan... Basically because of the first matchup, but some adjustments should of been made at least during half time because of the elements...

Overall poor day from coaching to players not making the right adjustments, it is what it is time to move on...
 

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so after losing to the cheaters in the 1st game we lost 4 out 5 essentially ruining our season then we turn it around and beat the cheaters which caused us a big letdown and ruined our season again. i hate those freakin cheaters
 
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