Geno Smith Out 6-10 Weeks

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jetgreen13

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The bottom line for me is I can understand everything thing you said about his reasons for not attending the event and can live with it with no problem. Where he lost me forever is not immediately paying back expenses advanced to him plus on top of that write another check to the charity to help make up for his absence. He had more than a month to do so and never did IMO that showed no class on his part. I will leave out any comment on the confrontation because a lot is speculation but I think we can all mostly agree on the facts about the charity event.
i'm sorry but i don't believe a millionaire starting NFL QB not showing up to a teammates charity event (after agreeing to) without at least making things right with IK & his charity for children is an opinion of his lack of class.. frankly it seems to be conveniently left out of those still supporting him in their posting here or completely ignored it when called on it.. by some at least..
 

jetgreen13

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Did Geno owe $600 for plane and limo, or a charitable donation? Maybe I missed something here.
i've read/heard what most have, the $600 was for traveling expenses fronted to smith by IK.. smith should have made things right with IK's charity for children as well regardless!! please tell this is not lost on you while defending smith, because if so i would have nothing further to debate with you on the subject..
 

ReallyBigfan

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i'm sorry but i don't believe a millionaire starting NFL QB not showing up to a teammates charity event (after agreeing to) without at least making things right with IK & his charity for children is an opinion of his lack of class.. frankly it seems to be conveniently left out of those still supporting him in their posting here or completely ignored it when called on it.. by some at least..

Here is why I think that you and everyone posting like you are a bunch of mean-spirited idiots: you act like you know what actually transpired between Geno and IK, when all you know is what you have read in various media accounts, which as we all know are greatly agenda-driven. But you take those media accounts and verbally attack Geno in the most disgusting ways, ignoring completely that HE was the victim of a vicious criminal assault, a cowardly sucker-punch, no less. Brandon Marshall said that he was sitting right there on the spot when the assault occurred, so he is a freaking eyewitness, and he has said in unequivocal terms that Geno did absolutely nothing wrong prior to getting punched, and that he did not wave his finger in IK's face, contrary to, ahem, media reports. According to all accounts Geno clearly said that he was going to repay the debt, and you have no f'ing idea about why he had not yet done so, there could be a perfectly legitimate reason that wouldn't occur to anyone not privy to the facts of the situation. That, however, doesn't stop you and your ilk from acting like obnoxious know-it-alls. And btw, Geno does plenty of charity work himself including running his own youth football camps, so to portray him as a charity-stiffing guy as you have tried to do, is even more proof of your own agenda, simply to trash Geno Smith because he has let you down since the Jets drafted him.
 

Superman55

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The guy's a millionaire and he couldn't offer something to "make up" for an unfortunate absence (never mind repay a wasted expense)?

Feel free to defend him - I don't have it in me. I guess that make me a hater . . .

You do know IK is a millionaire also, right? He's made close to 1.5 mill since entering the NFL...he isn't struggling.
 

Superman55

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Here is why I think that you and everyone posting like you are a bunch of mean-spirited idiots: you act like you know what actually transpired between Geno and IK, when all you know is what you have read in various media accounts, which as we all know are greatly agenda-driven. But you take those media accounts and verbally attack Geno in the most disgusting ways, ignoring completely that HE was the victim of a vicious criminal assault, a cowardly sucker-punch, no less. Brandon Marshall said that he was sitting right there on the spot when the assault occurred, so he is a freaking eyewitness, and he has said in unequivocal terms that Geno did absolutely nothing wrong prior to getting punched, and that he did not wave his finger in IK's face, contrary to, ahem, media reports. According to all accounts Geno clearly said that he was going to repay the debt, and you have no f'ing idea about why he had not yet done so, there could be a perfectly legitimate reason that wouldn't occur to anyone not privy to the facts of the situation. That, however, doesn't stop you and your ilk from acting like obnoxious know-it-alls. And btw, Geno does plenty of charity work himself including running his own youth football camps, so to portray him as a charity-stiffing guy as you have tried to do, is even more proof of your own agenda, simply to trash Geno Smith because he has let you down since the Jets drafted him.

What a great post. This is outstanding right here.
 

Elias

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If you debate with these fools long enough, they'll have you believing Geno funded Hitler's efforts...

Come on supe. There's no need to call people idiots. We are developing rules so we can have a pleasant conversation without that attack.
 

Elias

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Here is why I think that you and everyone posting like you are a bunch of mean-spirited idiots: you act like you know what actually transpired between Geno and IK, when all you know is what you have read in various media accounts, which as we all know are greatly agenda-driven. But you take those media accounts and verbally attack Geno in the most disgusting ways, ignoring completely that HE was the victim of a vicious criminal assault, a cowardly sucker-punch, no less. Brandon Marshall said that he was sitting right there on the spot when the assault occurred, so he is a freaking eyewitness, and he has said in unequivocal terms that Geno did absolutely nothing wrong prior to getting punched, and that he did not wave his finger in IK's face, contrary to, ahem, media reports. According to all accounts Geno clearly said that he was going to repay the debt, and you have no f'ing idea about why he had not yet done so, there could be a perfectly legitimate reason that wouldn't occur to anyone not privy to the facts of the situation. That, however, doesn't stop you and your ilk from acting like obnoxious know-it-alls. And btw, Geno does plenty of charity work himself including running his own youth football camps, so to portray him as a charity-stiffing guy as you have tried to do, is even more proof of your own agenda, simply to trash Geno Smith because he has let you down since the Jets drafted him.

We could have left off the insults....
 

ReallyBigfan

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We could have left off the insults....

Fair enough, Elias, I will try to abide by that... going forward. I just felt that all of the over-the-top and baseless abuse being directed at Geno needed a sharp response. But I promise to be a good boy from now on! :)
 

jets82

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Here is why I think that you and everyone posting like you are a bunch of mean-spirited idiots: you act like you know what actually transpired between Geno and IK, when all you know is what you have read in various media accounts, which as we all know are greatly agenda-driven. But you take those media accounts and verbally attack Geno in the most disgusting ways, ignoring completely that HE was the victim of a vicious criminal assault, a cowardly sucker-punch, no less. Brandon Marshall said that he was sitting right there on the spot when the assault occurred, so he is a freaking eyewitness, and he has said in unequivocal terms that Geno did absolutely nothing wrong prior to getting punched, and that he did not wave his finger in IK's face, contrary to, ahem, media reports. According to all accounts Geno clearly said that he was going to repay the debt, and you have no f'ing idea about why he had not yet done so, there could be a perfectly legitimate reason that wouldn't occur to anyone not privy to the facts of the situation. That, however, doesn't stop you and your ilk from acting like obnoxious know-it-alls. And btw, Geno does plenty of charity work himself including running his own youth football camps, so to portray him as a charity-stiffing guy as you have tried to do, is even more proof of your own agenda, simply to trash Geno Smith because he has let you down since the Jets drafted him.
You are right, none of us know the facts except for what we hear or read. None of us were there obviously and some of us just want to make it up as we fo because of their hatred for Geno and love for Fitz. I am one of Geno's biggest supporters here and even I'm pissed at him.

Here's my issue with Geno, two weeks into training camp and he hadn't paid him back yet. Now we were told they were arguing that day and had words over the past two weeks about the money. We dont know but if that's true why wasn't it settled then? Not even the debt but why were they arguing its that guys money and Geno owes him.

Or at least why didn't Geno explain to the guy why he can't pay it back yet? We don't know whether he did or not but whatever he said didn't work and had something to do with leading up to that day. Now we all know about Geno's immaturity and leadership issues, so its safe to assume some of this had to be on Geno also.
 

Elias

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Fair enough, Elias, I will try to abide by that... going forward. I just felt that all of the over-the-top and baseless abuse being directed at Geno needed a sharp response. But I promise to be a good boy from now on! :)

I understand. We are just all way too passionate!
 

Old#15

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I know I'm going to get killed by a segment of the forum for even raising this, but I'm curious as to why several key members of the offense have recently supported Geno. I guess there could be several reasons in my humble opinion:
- they feel that the press coverage was too one-sided, and they didn't think that what has been reported should be the final narrative;
- maybe Geno truly didn't provoke IK (other than stiffing him);
- perhaps they felt that Geno was on the verge of a much better year based on the work he has put in during the offseason and camps so far; or
- maybe now that Fitz has worked with the first team in practices and one series against Detroit, they have seen that he truly is just a journeyman QB with little to no upside in comparison to Geno.
 

jetkwondo

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I was a Geno supporter up until this incident but I've flipped all things considered. I now strongly question his leadership abilities and how that impacts the entire team is the bottom line.

With that said, I will support him 100% if Bowles plays him this season... no hate here... Go Jets!
 

Johnny Unite Us

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I know I'm going to get killed by a segment of the forum for even raising this, but I'm curious as to why several key members of the offense have recently supported Geno. I guess there could be several reasons in my humble opinion:
- they feel that the press coverage was too one-sided, and they didn't think that what has been reported should be the final narrative;
- maybe Geno truly didn't provoke IK (other than stiffing him);
- perhaps they felt that Geno was on the verge of a much better year based on the work he has put in during the offseason and camps so far; or
- maybe now that Fitz has worked with the first team in practices and one series against Detroit, they have seen that he truly is just a journeyman QB with little to no upside in comparison to Geno.

I know Marshall said something in defense of Smith.

What other members of the offense have defended Smith?

I haven't been following every word of this saga.
 

Johnny Unite Us

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I was a Geno supporter up until this incident but I've flipped all things considered. I now strongly question his leadership abilities and how that impacts the entire team is the bottom line.

With that said, I will support him 100% if Bowles plays him this season... no hate here... Go Jets!

I've never liked Smith, and I don't think he is capable of being a winning QB in the NFL.

That said, if he's in there during the regular season, I'll root for him to do well. I just don't think he will.
 

Golden Rott

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I know Marshall said something in defense of Smith.

What other members of the offense have defended Smith?

I haven't been following every word of this saga.

Giacomini and Decker have also come out in support of Geno.

From NJ.com:

Breno Giacomini was quick to react when asked whether Geno Smith was losing the faith of the Jets' locker room in light of last week's jawbreaking incident.

"No," Giacomini, the Jets' starting right tackle, told NJ Advance Media after a training camp practice in Florham Park over the weekend. "That's our guy. Nobody's losing faith in nobody, especially in the locker room."

Giacomini's on-the-record defense of Smith—along with one from wideout Brandon Marshall—stands in contrast to the various reports from last week that cast aspersions on Smith and his ability to command respect within the locker room.

"I do believe in him," Giacomini said. "I've been basically to war with him. I feel bad for him. He was working his butt off—and it showing, man, you know? This offseason has been better than what I've seen. His confidence in the huddle, his leadership off the field. It's just a very unfortunate situation."

Decker's comments from another NJ.com article

"It's something where you go through the bumps and the grind of camp, and you stick together as a team. Unfortunate situations may happen, but I think sometimes, these make us stronger. We've all got Geno's back. We all care for him, and hope for a speedy recovery. And IK got a new start.

"Really, that's the bottom [line] of it. We're going to move on. I think if you dwell on these things and you keep talking about them and bringing them up, you can't move forward. It's like life. If anything happens, you've got to find a way to move forward. So we've got the support of Geno. It's a brotherhood in that locker room."

Links to the two articles:

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/08/jets_eric_decker_supports_geno_smith_too_weve_all.html

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/08/another_jets_player_defends_geno_smith_hes_our_guy.html
 

OCCH

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You do know IK is a millionaire also, right? He's made close to 1.5 mill since entering the NFL...he isn't struggling.

Which is why the dollar amount is irrelevant IMO.

I have one question for everyone here who is so adamant about defending Geno -- WHY DID IK PUNCH HIM? What got the guy so upset that he did somethng that "never" happens in a locker room and lost his job over it? We hear from MULTIPLE sources that Geno deserves partial blame, but then his best friend says he doesn't, so we're all Geno-haters for believing those reports. Well what about IK? We should just assume he's a psychopath? That all the reports of him being a good guy, college team captain, etc. are also media driven lies to disparage Geno's reputation? That Geno's dick pic, cursing at a fan, pushing an old man, not being able to tell time, etc are all misunderstandings that paint our QB in an unfair light?

As much as we don't know the whole story from Geno's side, we also don't know it from IK's. And with the facts laid out as we currently know them, I find it MUCH more likely that Geno played a role in allowing things to escalate to where they did. So yes, I do think he should've offered something to the charity in his absence (not even talking about the debt). It would have been the right thing to do, and just gets added to the list of missed opportunities for our QB to do it . . .
 

hobson54

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for all that think that geno is a terrible QB and a terrible person, wouldn't his absence from a charity event be a net positive??? :happy-feet-penguin-





(ok, just an attempt to lighten things up)
 

Johnny Unite Us

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Giacomini and Decker have also come out in support of Geno.

From NJ.com:



Decker's comments from another NJ.com article



Links to the two articles:

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/08/jets_eric_decker_supports_geno_smith_too_weve_all.html

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/08/another_jets_player_defends_geno_smith_hes_our_guy.html

Thanks Rott. Like I said, I haven't been keeping up with every article...I've been traveling the last week or so and have had limited access to internet and virtually no TV.

I think it's good that the players are defending Geno.

Obviously, Geno is going to be on the roster and IK is gone. So, it's important that the players support their teammate, at least publically. Even if he doesn't start the season, there is a good chance Geno will be under center at some point this season, so it would be counterproductive for teammates to be critical of him.
 
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