Geno Smith worked out with Tom House (Brady's personal QB coach) during offseason

[soj]

Hold on now and lets get this straight here, I'm a Geno supporter because I actually think Geno can play very well this year and beyond for us. This is not and far from wanting to win some message board argument. True I wanted Geno gone from last years Bills (3 straight int game) and actually wanted the Jets to lose the rest of the games so we can draft Winston. The former regime in particular sexy rexy gave us a real good F-you present on his way out the door to a 4 win season.

However; after realizing the Winston dream was done and the Foles trade fell through also I started to think can Geno actually get it together this year? I don't see why he can't! Better all around team this year by leaps and bounds then he had his first two years here. Even better, leaps and bounds in coaching and management then what he had years one and two also. He came from a non pro style offense in college so there was going to be a transition ruff period anyway in which he should have sat at least one year but that didn't happen.

With all this said and these are all facts, I'm hoping he has learned and grown just off principal of what he went through for two hard NFL years. Then you add in the fact this is a playoff ready team with real true weapons on both sides of the ball and he has a real HC and GM now. So why can't he improve and make a impact for the better this year? That is why I started the thread asking, "Can Geno actually become a real QB and contribute for us this year" explaining all of this in my opening thread.

The thread went back and forth for quite some time and ended up being about 9 pages long, I guess. I started the thread because I meant it and the way I felt and still feel that Geno can do better this year and I wanted to get a feel of everyone else's opinion. So this isn't a battle of the message board beef. Although there is one poster in specific that has brought me to that, I will admit. This is truly the way I feel and I believe Geno can actually help this team to success this year. Am I saying MVP or even pro-bowl stats, of course not but very good and holding his own stats and I truly do believe that.

As far as his play last year, Geno's stats last year weren't stella but they did improve. Argue it all you want but they did improve. Argue that fact that he didn't play a full year and if he did his stats would have been worse. You would probably be right but then again, non of us know that for a fact. What could have happened without non of us being God and knowing for a fact is pointless to discuss. Geno had far more bad games then good ones last year and the year before and thats why I gave up on him myself. However; he did have some good games both years also.

His stats may have improved but here is a stat for you 34 ints in how many games? Not to mention his fumbles, poor judgement, poor pocket awareness, inaccurate, want me to keep going? But hey he improved right! So here is a dose of reality for you:

NFL Total QBR - 2014 Season Leaders
his rank out of 30 is 29, not bad...
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR
21 Jay Cutler, CHI 52.6 7.9 -19.3 1.8 43.0 703 64.3 8.3 54.0
22 Teddy Bridgewater, MIN 46.0 7.3 -24.6 2.8 31.5 523 41.9 0.2 50.2
23 Alex Smith, KC 47.7 7.5 -26.0 3.9 33.1 616 48.0 -1.1 49.4
24 Brian Hoyer, CLE 39.3 -3.7 -16.1 1.9 21.4 538 32.0 -10.9 43.1
25 Kyle Orton, BUF 41.6 -0.9 -19.0 -1.6 20.1 539 31.2 -11.7 42.6
26 Derek Carr, OAK 29.4 -1.2 -12.3 0.4 16.3 702 31.8 -24.1 38.4
27 Austin Davis, STL 23.3 -1.4 -15.6 1.6 7.9 355 15.3 -13.0 37.6
28 Josh McCown, TB 25.1 7.1 -23.4 -0.3 8.5 425 15.8 -18.1 35.7
29 Geno Smith, NYJ 28.2 -3.6 -16.8 2.1 10.0 494 17.9 -21.5 35.4 Bingo - he is what he is a bad QB. NO one made him throw 34 picks, no one.
30 Blake Bortles, JAX 3.4 8.7 -28.3 3.2 -13.0 637 -7.9 -58.7 21.

 

[jets82]

I know I'm late to the party, but I GUARANTEE you Andrew Luck would have had success in his 2nd year with the personnel the Jets had on offense last year . . .

And how can you guarentee that? Lets remember the offense may have gotten alittle better with Decker and Amaro. However the defense got significantly worse with the lose of Cro and Milliner. So what Luck may have been able to accomplish more in his stats then Geno, would the team record have been better with that defense? With all the pressure of the D giving up points like it was candy last year and Luck only having Decker as a true go to weapon, would his stats truly have been that much better? I'm sure they would to a extent but no where no like they were with Indy last year.

 

[jets82]

His stats may have improved but here is a stat for you 34 ints in how many games? Not to mention his fumbles, poor judgement, poor pocket awareness, inaccurate, want me to keep going? But hey he improved right! So here is a dose of reality for you:

NFL Total QBR - 2014 Season Leaders
his rank out of 30 is 29, not bad...
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR
21 Jay Cutler, CHI 52.6 7.9 -19.3 1.8 43.0 703 64.3 8.3 54.0
22 Teddy Bridgewater, MIN 46.0 7.3 -24.6 2.8 31.5 523 41.9 0.2 50.2
23 Alex Smith, KC 47.7 7.5 -26.0 3.9 33.1 616 48.0 -1.1 49.4
24 Brian Hoyer, CLE 39.3 -3.7 -16.1 1.9 21.4 538 32.0 -10.9 43.1
25 Kyle Orton, BUF 41.6 -0.9 -19.0 -1.6 20.1 539 31.2 -11.7 42.6
26 Derek Carr, OAK 29.4 -1.2 -12.3 0.4 16.3 702 31.8 -24.1 38.4
27 Austin Davis, STL 23.3 -1.4 -15.6 1.6 7.9 355 15.3 -13.0 37.6
28 Josh McCown, TB 25.1 7.1 -23.4 -0.3 8.5 425 15.8 -18.1 35.7
29 Geno Smith, NYJ 28.2 -3.6 -16.8 2.1 10.0 494 17.9 -21.5 35.4 Bingo - he is what he is a bad QB. NO one made him throw 34 picks, no one.
30 Blake Bortles, JAX 3.4 8.7 -28.3 3.2 -13.0 637 -7.9 -58.7 21.

If he beats out Fitz or anyone not named Winston because I believe he would beat out all other rookies and Fitz included, we'll see how he does this year. There will be no more excuses for Geno. Contending team, playoff wise anyway and what appears to be class A coaching and management now. He either puts up or shuts up and if he don't put up, I will have no problem admitting I was wrong and all you guys are right.

 

[Elias]

His stats may have improved but here is a stat for you 34 ints in how many games? Not to mention his fumbles, poor judgement, poor pocket awareness, inaccurate, want me to keep going? But hey he improved right! So here is a dose of reality for you:

NFL Total QBR - 2014 Season Leaders
his rank out of 30 is 29, not bad...
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR
21 Jay Cutler, CHI 52.6 7.9 -19.3 1.8 43.0 703 64.3 8.3 54.0
22 Teddy Bridgewater, MIN 46.0 7.3 -24.6 2.8 31.5 523 41.9 0.2 50.2
23 Alex Smith, KC 47.7 7.5 -26.0 3.9 33.1 616 48.0 -1.1 49.4
24 Brian Hoyer, CLE 39.3 -3.7 -16.1 1.9 21.4 538 32.0 -10.9 43.1
25 Kyle Orton, BUF 41.6 -0.9 -19.0 -1.6 20.1 539 31.2 -11.7 42.6
26 Derek Carr, OAK 29.4 -1.2 -12.3 0.4 16.3 702 31.8 -24.1 38.4
27 Austin Davis, STL 23.3 -1.4 -15.6 1.6 7.9 355 15.3 -13.0 37.6
28 Josh McCown, TB 25.1 7.1 -23.4 -0.3 8.5 425 15.8 -18.1 35.7
29 Geno Smith, NYJ 28.2 -3.6 -16.8 2.1 10.0 494 17.9 -21.5 35.4 Bingo - he is what he is a bad QB. NO one made him throw 34 picks, no one.
30 Blake Bortles, JAX 3.4 8.7 -28.3 3.2 -13.0 637 -7.9 -58.7 21.

Do you think that there's a way that our OC can put him in position to succeed? There were some things that Geno did really really well last year according to stats. If the OC puts him in that scenario over and over again then i think Geno can find success. It's all about putting it all together and becoming a complete player. It takes time. Going into year 3 his leash is much much shorter though.

 

[jets82]

Do you think that there's a way that our OC can put him in position to succeed? There were some things that Geno did really really well last year according to stats. If the OC puts him in that scenario over and over again then i think Geno can find success. It's all about putting it all together and becoming a complete player. It takes time. Going into year 3 his leash is much much shorter though.

Geno may not ever turn out to be what I think he can be which is a borderline franchise QB at worst or he may be better. Either way, I believe he can give us more then Fitz can and Fitz is not a borderline franchise QB. If he was, he wouldn't have been bounced around from team to team for ten plus years.

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

Hold on now and lets get this straight here, I'm a Geno supporter because I actually think Geno can play very well this year and beyond for us. This is not and far from wanting to win some message board argument. True I wanted Geno gone from last years Bills (3 straight int game) and actually wanted the Jets to lose the rest of the games so we can draft Winston. The former regime in particular sexy rexy gave us a real good F-you present on his way out the door to a 4 win season.

However; after realizing the Winston dream was done and the Foles trade fell through also I started to think can Geno actually get it together this year? I don't see why he can't! Better all around team this year by leaps and bounds then he had his first two years here. Even better, leaps and bounds in coaching and management then what he had years one and two also. He came from a non pro style offense in college so there was going to be a transition ruff period anyway in which he should have sat at least one year but that didn't happen.

With all this said and these are all facts, I'm hoping he has learned and grown just off principal of what he went through for two hard NFL years. Then you add in the fact this is a playoff ready team with real true weapons on both sides of the ball and he has a real HC and GM now. So why can't he improve and make a impact for the better this year? That is why I started the thread asking, "Can Geno actually become a real QB and contribute for us this year" explaining all of this in my opening thread.

The thread went back and forth for quite some time and ended up being about 9 pages long, I guess. I started the thread because I meant it and the way I felt and still feel that Geno can do better this year and I wanted to get a feel of everyone else's opinion. So this isn't a battle of the message board beef. Although there is one poster in specific that has brought me to that, I will admit. This is truly the way I feel and I believe Geno can actually help this team to success this year. Am I saying MVP or even pro-bowl stats, of course not but very good and holding his own stats and I truly do believe that.

As far as his play last year, Geno's stats last year weren't stella but they did improve. Argue it all you want but they did improve. Argue that fact that he didn't play a full year and if he did his stats would have been worse. You would probably be right but then again, non of us know that for a fact. What could have happened without non of us being God and knowing for a fact is pointless to discuss. Geno had far more bad games then good ones last year and the year before and thats why I gave up on him myself. However; he did have some good games both years also.

I don't think I would argue that if he played more games his numbers would have been worse. I would point out that the reason he didn't play more games was because he played so poorly that everyone in the world agreed that he shouldn't be starting, yourself included. How am I supposed to forget that? I would also point out that he had to play an essentially perfect game to even finish with the crummy numbers he had. He had to throw 3 TDs and no interceptions to finish with a 1:1 TD to INT ratio. He had to have a 158.3 QB rating in the last game to finish with a 77.5 rating for the season. So how good was he, really? Is this the game that represents the real Geno, or is it all those other games? To me, Geno has to improve significantly to even be serviceable on the level of Fitzpatrick. So, what are the odds of that happening? Seriously, what do you believe the odds are? 100%? If so, then I understand why you support giving him another chance! 80%? Sure, I can see why you'd want to go for that! 1 out of a million? I would probably not bother wasting my time. So the whole argument is really about that, since we all agree that Geno didn't play well enough last year, and no one would be satisfied if he went out and performed exactly as well as he did last year. Right? We agree on that, right?

I dunno. I'm a Jets fan, too. I understand why you would want to convince yourself that what you saw last year isn't what we will get from Geno going forward. I really do! But it all just sounds like a combination of excuses and wishful thinking to me. I want him to be a great QB. I don't really want to waste my time waiting for it to happen, because I don't believe it is likely to. If we truly have no other options who are more likely to provide competent QB play, then yes, I support him playing the position. But my opinion of his play is low enough that finding a suitable replacement shouldn't be difficult, and in fact, we have already done so in Fitzpatrick. Fitz has been in the league for 10 years now? Do you believe Geno will still be in the league 8 years from now? I just don't see it.

Now, I don't mean to come across as confrontational. We all want the same thing here. But it is truly like deja vu. We just had this debate with Sanchez. Constantly. For years. And guess what? It was EXACTLY the same. People pulling out Terry Bradshaw's numbers, etc. I imagine the same debate happens all the time with young QBs. But the fact is that most of them don't turn out to be Terry Bradshaw. And it would be whatever, if both sides were playing equal. But what has happened here is that the pro-Geno people have staked out a position that ensures that they can never be proven wrong. Because instead of saying "I think Geno will be good," they are saying "I think it is possible, if things go right, that Geno can be good." Which is true, but ultimately, so what? If Geno turns out to just be bad, then they get to say "I never said he would be good, just that it was possible." It is true but it is a position lacking in content, because under the right circumstances, many things are possible which are otherwise unlikely to occur. It is very frustrating to debate someone who takes a position that, by its nature, is essentially not disprovable. Now, sure, it would be tempting to just say that this means you win the debate, but I really don't think its that simple! So my question is: do you believe that Geno will improve? I understand all the reasons why you believe it is possible for him to improve. Will it happen? I don't believe so. I've been wrong many, many times. So let's hope this is another one of those times. But I at least want to have the discussion about the right topic.

So, let me stipulate: Yes, I fully agree that it is possible for Geno to improve (he played so poorly, there really isn't anywhere to go but up). I don't believe he will improve enough to be a franchise QB, and I think it is unlikely, but still more likely, that he will improve enough to be a serviceable, journeyman type QB. I believe the most likely result is that he is either a backup or out of the league within 2 years.

 

[jets82]

I don't think I would argue that if he played more games his numbers would have been worse. I would point out that the reason he didn't play more games was because he played so poorly that everyone in the world agreed that he shouldn't be starting, yourself included. How am I supposed to forget that? I would also point out that he had to play an essentially perfect game to even finish with the crummy numbers he had. He had to throw 3 TDs and no interceptions to finish with a 1:1 TD to INT ratio. He had to have a 158.3 QB rating in the last game to finish with a 77.5 rating for the season. So how good was he, really? Is this the game that represents the real Geno, or is it all those other games? To me, Geno has to improve significantly to even be serviceable on the level of Fitzpatrick. So, what are the odds of that happening? Seriously, what do you believe the odds are? 100%? If so, then I understand why you support giving him another chance! 80%? Sure, I can see why you'd want to go for that! 1 out of a million? I would probably not bother wasting my time. So the whole argument is really about that, since we all agree that Geno didn't play well enough last year, and no one would be satisfied if he went out and performed exactly as well as he did last year. Right? We agree on that, right?

I dunno. I'm a Jets fan, too. I understand why you would want to convince yourself that what you saw last year isn't what we will get from Geno going forward. I really do! But it all just sounds like a combination of excuses and wishful thinking to me. I want him to be a great QB. I don't really want to waste my time waiting for it to happen, because I don't believe it is likely to. If we truly have no other options who are more likely to provide competent QB play, then yes, I support him playing the position. But my opinion of his play is low enough that finding a suitable replacement shouldn't be difficult, and in fact, we have already done so in Fitzpatrick. Fitz has been in the league for 10 years now? Do you believe Geno will still be in the league 8 years from now? I just don't see it.

Now, I don't mean to come across as confrontational. We all want the same thing here. But it is truly like deja vu. We just had this debate with Sanchez. Constantly. For years. And guess what? It was EXACTLY the same. People pulling out Terry Bradshaw's numbers, etc. I imagine the same debate happens all the time with young QBs. But the fact is that most of them don't turn out to be Terry Bradshaw. And it would be whatever, if both sides were playing equal. But what has happened here is that the pro-Geno people have staked out a position that ensures that they can never be proven wrong. Because instead of saying "I think Geno will be good," they are saying "I think it is possible, if things go right, that Geno can be good." Which is true, but ultimately, so what? If Geno turns out to just be bad, then they get to say "I never said he would be good, just that it was possible." It is true but it is a position lacking in content, because under the right circumstances, many things are possible which are otherwise unlikely to occur. It is very frustrating to debate someone who takes a position that, by its nature, is essentially not disprovable. Now, sure, it would be tempting to just say that this means you win the debate, but I really don't think its that simple! So my question is: do you believe that Geno will improve? I understand all the reasons why you believe it is possible for him to improve. Will it happen? I don't believe so. I've been wrong many, many times. So let's hope this is another one of those times. But I at least want to have the discussion about the right topic.

So, let me stipulate: Yes, I fully agree that it is possible for Geno to improve (he played so poorly, there really isn't anywhere to go but up). I don't believe he will improve enough to be a franchise QB, and I think it is unlikely, but still more likely, that he will improve enough to be a serviceable, journeyman type QB. I believe the most likely result is that he is either a backup or out of the league within 2 years.

All great and valid point. Fair and impartial and true with no malice or distain behind it and much respect. To answer your questions, I say I believe in him 80% which is enough for me to say without drafting Winston only or trading for Breez or Rivers, I'm with Geno all the way here. Drafting Mariota to me means we are in the same boat as we were with Geno but it should only take him a year to progress. I mean look at the team he has now and coaching and management as opposed to what Geno had for two years.

We were discussing this with Sanchez very true but it the opposite to me. Sanchez had two quality years of a contending team years one and two, he still struggled greatly in which the team carried him both years. When it was time for him to step up years three and four, he fell on his face with a lesser team. True his coaching and management was horrible but after two years of experience, he should have been able to help the situation and not hurt it.

Geno had horrible teams years one and two and even worse coaching and management. This year has to be his step up year because its his third year and his team, coaching and management it significantly better. Just off the two years experience alone should make him better. You add in the team and GM, HC, OC and QB coach he has now and if he can't show something then lets cut the cord.

Another thing for me that's different, this is Geno's last year to prove and show me something. I held onto Sanchez because he was a first rounder we traded up to get so I dealt with his BS longer. Geno won't get that luxury. It this year or bye-bye. So is this all speculation on my part I will say yes but also very valid reasons to me anyway why Geno can and should improve. We'll see though!

 

[SackExchange]

Thats why this will be a fair and open competition all around and may the best man win. Yes you gave me numbers to prove Fitz can play decent at least. There are also numbers that show he can play garbage aswell. Overall it doesn't matter how good or bad his numbers are, every team he has played on has cut him, traded him or did not resign him. I wonder why, maybe he just isn't the answer and his Wonderlick score doesn't matter at all! There are no more excuses for Geno and you are 100% right but his excuses were only there for two years. How do explain all Fitz excuses for 10 plus years and the fact no team has kept him over his career? I think at this point there is still a possible chance of true optimism for Geno where as Fitz and all the teams that have cut shows we shouldn't have much in Fitz but maybe thats just me.

Again, the most important numbers are last year's, as they are the best reflection on what one could reasonably expect this year. I trust you would rather Geno be judged by 2014 more than 2013, yes?

And I would argue that having a top 10 passer rating, a rating 2.1 points from Tom Brady, is slightly better than decent. And that his best years were under Gailey is relevant, based on who the Jets' OC is.

You can dismiss all the evidence you want. But this notion that Geno is without question better than Fitzpatrick right now is seriously flawed.

 

[Lakerfan80]

Fitzpatrick's interception totals have come down each of the past 3 seasons. I don't see Fitz as an old QB but as a mature QB who can have a big year if healthy. Fitz will be the starter at some point this season.

 

[sg3]

All great and valid point. Fair and impartial and true with no malice or distain behind it and much respect. To answer your questions, I say I believe in him 80% which is enough for me to say without drafting Winston only or trading for Breez or Rivers, I'm with Geno all the way here. Drafting Mariota to me means we are in the same boat as we were with Geno but it should only take him a year to progress. I mean look at the team he has now and coaching and management as opposed to what Geno had for two years.

We were discussing this with Sanchez very true but it the opposite to me. Sanchez had two quality years of a contending team years one and two, he still struggled greatly in which the team carried him both years. When it was time for him to step up years three and four, he fell on his face with a lesser team. True his coaching and management was horrible but after two years of experience, he should have been able to help the situation and not hurt it.

Geno had horrible teams years one and two and even worse coaching and management. This year has to be his step up year because its his third year and his team, coaching and management it significantly better. Just off the two years experience alone should make him better. You add in the team and GM, HC, OC and QB coach he has now and if he can't show something then lets cut the cord.

Another thing for me that's different, this is Geno's last year to prove and show me something. I held onto Sanchez because he was a first rounder we traded up to get so I dealt with his BS longer. Geno won't get that luxury. It this year or bye-bye. So is this all speculation on my part I will say yes but also very valid reasons to me anyway why Geno can and should improve. We'll see though!

On and on and on and on and on like a broken record

 

[jets82]

On and on and on and on and on like a broken record

This is the nicest way I can ever say to you and trust me, I wish I could tell you how I really feel.

 

[SackExchange]

OK, guys, relax.

 

[OCCH]

And how can you guarentee that? Lets remember the offense may have gotten alittle better with Decker and Amaro. However the defense got significantly worse with the lose of Cro and Milliner. So what Luck may have been able to accomplish more in his stats then Geno, would the team record have been better with that defense? With all the pressure of the D giving up points like it was candy last year and Luck only having Decker as a true go to weapon, would his stats truly have been that much better? I'm sure they would to a extent but no where no like they were with Indy last year.

Dude, you're all over the place.

Is this debate about Geno's ability/inability to be an NFL QB, or an overall assessment of the Jets roster? Either way, I would bet money that Luck's production would far surpass Geno's (do you really think Luck would have been benched?)

I'd even surmise that Luck WOULD help the defense. They wouldn't be going back out there from so many three-and-outs/turnovers, and they'd have more room for error due to more points being scored.

I'm not trying to compare Luck and Geno -- I just couldn't believe you went there . . .

 

[Elias]

On and on and on and on and on like a broken record

You say that you are "done" but then you always comment on their posts. Stop antagonizing.

This is the nicest way I can ever say to you and trust me, I wish I could tell you how I really feel. F*CK YOU!

No cursing out posters! We are JetsFansUnited!

I seriously recommend that you both use the ignore feature and don't just speak about using it.

:nudie:

 

[jets82]

You say that you are "done" but then you always comment on their posts. Stop antagonizing.



No cursing out posters! We are JetsFansUnited!

I seriously recommend that you both use the ignore feature and don't just speak about using it.

:nudie:

Great idea and will do

 

[jets82]

You say that you are "done" but then you always comment on their posts. Stop antagonizing.



No cursing out posters! We are JetsFansUnited!

I seriously recommend that you both use the ignore feature and don't just speak about using it.

:nudie:

he has been added to the ignore list and the only one really Lol thanks for the advice and I can't believe I didn't think of it

 

[Football51]

This thread is actually turning out to be a great learning tool. Attack the post, not the poster. When that line gets crossed, threads get derailed, things get way too personal, and we end up with a chaotic cluster. IMO, the #1 rule of this board should be respect. Think twice before you reply.

 

[jets82]

This thread is actually turning out to be a great learning tool. Attack the post, not the poster. When that line gets crossed, threads get derailed, things get way too personal, and we end up with a chaotic cluster. IMO, the #1 rule of this board should be respect. Think twice before you reply.

Agreed!

 

[jets82]

Dude, you're all over the place.

Is this debate about Geno's ability/inability to be an NFL QB, or an overall assessment of the Jets roster? Either way, I would bet money that Luck's production would far surpass Geno's (do you really think Luck would have been benched?)

I'd even surmise that Luck WOULD help the defense. They wouldn't be going back out there from so many three-and-outs/turnovers, and they'd have more room for error due to more points being scored.

I'm not trying to compare Luck and Geno -- I just couldn't believe you went there . . .

Being that you put it like that, I guess I did take it to a unnecessary level. Luck is by far and leaps and bounds better the Geno. He is and was a franchise QB from draft day and we all know Geno is not. May not ever be either. So Luck obviously would have had better numbers here then Geno did both years and could have helped the defense. I just feel he wouldn't have had as good of stats with us as he did with Indy because the rosters are better there and coaching and GM is far better.

The message was never to say his numbers would have been as horrible as Geno were because he a by far a better QB. It was just saying they wouldn't have been as good as he had in Indy and he would have struggled abit with the roster Geno had years one and two here. I'm hoping with the roster Geno has now and the coaching and management and the two years experience Geno will improve. Could be wrong but I don't see why not.

 

[Mainejet]

It makes no difference for Geno. The guy is terrible and no amount of coaching is ever gong to make the kid a franchise QB. That thought has long ago sailed. The most this guy can hope for in NY is to possibly win the starting competition only because he's facing another terrible QB. After this season, his goose is cooked. He'll get cut I am sure.