Hams Updated Mock Draft (4/17)

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1. Cleveland Browns - Sam Darnold, QB, USC
Charley Casserly polled like 25 NFL GM's and Scouts on the BIG 4 QB's and Sam Darnold won by a landslide. That tells me, despite all the subterfuge, when the time comes to turn in the card, Sam Darnold will be a Brown.


2. New York Giants - Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
The whispers are growing louder and louder that the Giants are convinced Eli still has a few good years left in him, provided they can get him enough help. That said, I'm also hearing its Barkley or Chubb, but they believe Barkley helps Eli more and he's a HOF caliber RB. Lastly, if the rumors are true, they are not convinced any of the QB's (other than Darnold) are as worthy of the #2 Pick as Barkley or Chubb.


3. New York Jets - Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
If the board falls this way for the Jets they will have a really tough decision to make. I can make an argument for all three of the remaining BIG 4 QB's, and I can argue against all of them too. If you follow the draft you know all of the positives and negatives, no need to repeat them. All I know is, Mayfield had a ridiculous Comp%, +70%, two years in a row, and he threw more downfield passes than the rest of these QB's too, so this wasn't done as a dink & dunk artist. I also know his passion for the game is maniacal and infectious. By all accounts his team-mates loved him. So its a tough call, glad I don't have to make it, but if I did I would take Mayfield and I'm betting the Jets will too.


4. Buffalo Bills (Trade) - Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
(Projected trade from the Browns). I don't believe the Browns would have made this trade had the Giants not taken Barkley, but since they did, and Cleveland doesn't need Chubb, the Browns use this pick to make a killing, starting (but not ending) with the Bills two 1st RD Picks. They'll demand at least one more pick, maybe a 2 or the #1 Pick in RD 3. As for the Bills, they are loaded with picks in this draft and seem determined to move up for their QB, and by all accounts they like Josh Allen's size and arm, reminds them of Jim Kelly, the kind of arm that can cut thru the strong winds in Buffalo.


5. Denver Broncos - Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA
Rosen falls to the back of the BIG 4 not based on talent. Nobody questions his talent, but because there are genuine concerns about his attitude, multiple concussions, as well as his passion for football. That said, he is the prototype physically, everything you look for in a FQB, and probably the most NFL ready.


6. Indianapolis Colts - Quenten Nelson, OG, Notre Dame
To say football people are raving about Nelson is an understatement. I've repeatedly heard him referred too in the most glowing terms, like the best O-lineman they have graded in 5+ Years. That said, there is obviously no bigger priority in Indy than keeping Andrew Luck healthy and on the field.


7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Bradley Chubb, DE, NC State
Even though they picked up JPP and Vinny Curry, both soon to be 30, frankly Curry is not in Chubb's league and you cannot pass on him if he falls to #7


8. Chicago Bears - Marcus Davenport, ER, UTSA
Small school stud they may have to break in slowly, perhaps as a situational pass rusher, but the ceiling for this kid is so high he has regularly been compared to Demarcus Ware.


9. San Francisco 49ers - Tremaine Edmunds, LB, VaTech
This guy is so good, I'll make him my early favorite to win DPOTY. If this draft wasn't so top heavy with potential FQB's, he'd be a TOP 5 Pick, just like Chubb, Nelson and probably Davenport too. Also, there's a good chance Foster's days in SF are over.


10. Oakland Raiders - Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State
Tremaine Edmunds would have been ideal for the Raiders, but they have needs all over the place and a #1 CB is definitely one of them. That said, Ward is blazing fast and reminds me of Marshon Lattimore, another former Buckeye who was a steal last year in about this same spot.


11. Miami Dolphins - Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville
I can already hear the cries of "REACH!!", but you have to understand something, this is a QB driven league and until you find a legit FQB, you are essentially just spinning your wheels. Thats why, EVERY YEAR, you see teams supposedly "reach" for QB's in the draft. It happens every year, consistently, because its hard to compete in this league, year after year, until you find a QB who can match TD for TD with the elite QB's. So when you have a chance to get one, JUST A CHANCE, you gotta take it.


12. Cleveland Browns (Trade) - Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
(Projected trade with the Bills). After collecting a slew of picks from the Bills, the Browns use the first one to help fix that disaster they call a linebacking core. Smith is a sideline-to-sideline tackling machine who hits like he hates you from his old neighborhood. Best part is, you can play him inside or outside and he's gonna dominate on Sundays either way.


13. Washington Redskins - Minkah Fitzpatrick, S, Alabama
The Skins would have to be thrilled if Minkah falls to 13, but its all about positional value and sometimes Safeties, like OG's and RT's, can slide in the draft. If this happens its a steal for the Redskins at a position of need.


14. Green Bay Packers - Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama
There is nothing about Ridley's numbers that indicates he deserves to be picked this high, but you have to understand, he played with the worst passing QB in the SEC, if not all of D1A. That said, Ridley passes the eye test. When you watch him, everything about him spells #1 WR.


15. Arizona Cardinals - Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State
See my comment for the Dolphins at #11. I'm sure this will send ESPN, the NFLN and the entire draft community into a frenzy, but it shouldn't. If you understand PRO FOOTBALL and the draft, you should expect something like this. A little surprising, okay, but it should not be the least bit shocking. This kid has the size, statistics and arm strength to justify this selection. Is it a reach? YES, but again, see my comment for the Dolphins.


16. Baltimore Ravens - Vita Vea, DT, Washington
The best part about Vea is his scheme versatility based on A) his raw power, and B) his unusual quickness for such a monster of a man. IOW's you can play him at NT in the 3-4, DE in the 3-4, or DT in the 4-3, and no matter which way you go, he's going to be a dominant player.


17. Los Angeles Chargers - Derwin James, S, Florida State
James and Minkah are almost in a dead heat for who in the best Safety in this class, but like I said, sometimes positional value comes into play and you can steal a great Safety later than you should.


18. Seattle Seahawks - Joshua Jackson, CB, Iowa
Jackson, like Richard Sherman, is a ballhawking CB who converted from WR. He was a little dinged and ran a disappointing 40 at the combines, but redeemed himself at his pro day by running in the 4.4's. This is a BIG CB with speed and ballhawking skills that are second to none in this class.


19. Dallas Cowboys - DJ Moore, WR, Maryland
With the Dez era coming to an end, and Jason Witten isn't getting any younger either, the Cowboys have to find a potential #1 WR and Go-to-Guy for Dak or they'll be giving him no chance to succeed. That said, Moore is one of the most underrated players in this draft. Don't be surprised if this kid has a great career in the NFL.


20. Detroit Lions - Daron Payne, DT, Alabama
They need a lot of help at linebacker too, but as much as I like Esch, IMO Payne carries a higher grade and they need to upgrade the D-line too.


21. Cincinnati Bengals - Leighton Vander Esch, LB, Boise State
I had a really hard time NOT giving Esch to the Lions. It was a close call, razor thin, but since I gave them Payne, Esch is a no brainer for the Bengals. Their linebacking core is a mess and Esch is one of the most underrated players in this draft. Ridiculously productive in college and an instant starter.


22. Cleveland Browns (Trade) - Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame
(Trade with the Bills). With the retirement of Joe Thomas how could the Browns have wished for better than this when they made that deal. First Smith, a tackling machine, then a legit plug and play LT to replace Thomas ... and like I said, their haul of picks from the Bills will NOT end here.


23. New England Patriots - Jaire Alexander, CB, Louisville
You all saw how their DB's got lit up in the SB, by a backup QB. Nuff said.


24. Carolina Panthers - Mike Hughes, CB, Central Florida
They never did replace Josh Norman and it showed. Hughes was a big part of the reason UCF went unbeaten in 2017.


25. Tennessee Titans - Harold Landry, ER, Boston College
Its a passing league now, not your grandfathers NFL, therefore other than FQB's and WR's, the most important positions you can fill are pass rushers and DB's who can cover and make plays on the ball.


26. Atlanta Falcons - Taven Bryan, DL, Florida
Their D-line is a mess and Bryan is one of the most underrated players in this draft. He would be an absolute heist at 26.


27. New Orleans Saints - Hayden Hurst, TE, South Carolina
Not since Jimmy Graham has Brees had a playmaker at TE like Hurst. On that note, a quick word about Dallas Goedert. This kid had back-to-back 1000+ Yards seasons. He should have been a first round pick. But he's only 6' 4" and IMO his refusal to run the 40, at both the combines AND his pro day, combined with his small school status, will be the cause of his slide into the second round.


28. Pittsburgh Steelers - Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn State
Gesicki blew up the combines and made himself a first round pick, and what better fit for him than his hometown team? BTW he's not just a workout warrior. When given the chance to make plays at PSU, he did not disappoint.


29. Jacksonville Jaguars - Rashaan Evans, ILB, Alabama
Its hard to find a weakness on this defense, its that good. I can only find two, DT and MLB. That said, if they add a force at MLB like Evans, I pity offensive coordinators who have to game-plan for them.


30. Minnesota Vikings - Will Hernandez, OG, UTEP
There are not many needs on the Vikings, but now that they added Cousins and paid him a gazillion dollars, one of the few is OG. Protecting their new QB has to be a priority, and Hernandez is an absolute beast. He's also a monster of a run blocker for Cook and Murray.


31. New England Patriots - James Daniels, C, Iowa
Yes, the far more immediate need is to protect Tom Brady's blindside and replace Nate Solder, but grades matter, and if you know anything about Belichick, you know grades matter to him too. That said, IMO Daniels grades out significantly higher than Kolton Miller or Orlando Brown. That said, you can play him at Center or Guard, though IMO he he has a chance to become the best Center in football.


32. Philadelphia Eagles - Derrius Guice, RB, LSU
Blount has flown the coop to Detroit and it appears unlikely Sproles, 34 and coming off a torn ACL, will be returning either. That leaves Jay Ajayi and not much else to speak of, and frankly I never thought much of Ajayi to being with, thats why Blount was essentially their lead back in the Super Bowl. That said, Guice would be a heist at 32, no pun intended.
 
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BlindsideD'Brick

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Interesting thing I keep seeing the Mayfield fans deleting from their analysis: Baker Mayfield played in a spread offense in college. The same spread offense that hasn’t translated well to the NFL. That might have a little to do with his crazy completion %, too.
 

AFA2017

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Ham, every time its Mayfield to the Jets! He's not coming here. We all decided (Mac included) that we would take Rosen, Allen and Barkley before we would take Mayfield.
 
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Agree on the mock. IMO, the only real place for the Bills to trade up to is #4. Also agree that all signs point to the Jets taking Mayfield, and Rosen sliding to 5. Not so much over attitude, but rather over his last concussion. The last one was a serious one, not just a bellringer. Four weeks after the concussion he still couldn't get clearencl to play in a bowl game. That has to have GM's really concerned.
 

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Agree on the mock. IMO, the only real place for the Bills to trade up to is #4. Also agree that all signs point to the Jets taking Mayfield, and Rosen sliding to 5. Not so much over attitude, but rather over his last concussion. The last one was a serious one, not just a bellringer. Four weeks after the concussion he still couldn't get clearencl to play in a bowl game. That has to have GM's really concerned.
You're right and I just added that too. TY FG
 

hobson54

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i think you are putting your personal feelings in place of what macc will do. and you admit that. but i find it hard to believe that macc will pass on both rosen and allen for mayfield.

here are the NCAA completion % career leaders. you will notice a trend in terms of system of offense. you will also note the lack of nfl franchise QBs. now that doesn't mean mayfield will turn out like the others. but the high completion % needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

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  • Since 1956
Colt Brennan*70.3920052007Hawaii
Colt McCoy*70.3320062009Texas
Kellen Moore*69.7820082011Boise State
Graham Harrell*69.7720052008Texas Tech
Brandon Weeden*69.5420082011Oklahoma State
Case Keenum*69.3620072011Houston
Chase Holbrook69.3520062008New Mexico State
Seth Doege*69.0020092012Texas Tech
Johnny Manziel*68.9520122013Texas A&M
Brandon Doughty*68.6120112015Western Kentucky
Baker Mayfield*68.5420132017Oklahom

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gmf1369

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I still think Darnold will be No. 1 Overall... because of this the Giants will take Barkley at No. 2 otherwise they would take Darnold at 2...

I don't think Mayfield would translate to our QB room, but also do not believe Allen even though he would thrive in New York is the guy either... Rosen ambitions outside football scares any QB needy team to gamble on his love for the game that he could get frustrated with slow progress of any said team and retire to pursue his other interests... I understand why we traded up, but I think they were to premature in doing so now that we have no assets to play with, we are stuck sitting behind the Browns and who they take, and the possibility of someone leap frogging us to the Giants No. 2 pick...

I said this before I do believe in these statements below:
  • Baker Mayfield on the field is the best QB in this draft, but his off the field concerns are an issue and will be amplified in the New York Market...
  • Sam Darnold has the highest ceiling of any QB in this draft, but will need time to develop (one to two years)...
  • Josh Rosen is a pro ready QB with touch and accuracy can start immediately but his frail body won't stand up to the hits he will take...
  • Josh Allen is a raw prospect with measurable(s) and is built for the northeast weather, has boom or bust attached to his career...
  • Lamar Jackson is an elite athletic prospect who can develop into a cerebral passer, but like Josh Allen there is that bust hanging over his young career...
Of these five QBs, Darnold makes the most sense for us, with Allen being the number two option with Bridgewater trying to revive his career and having a heady QB in Josh McCown who is currently the starter looking over his shoulder... Fans don't want another project in Allen, but will get ansi with someone like Darnold who will need time to sit... Both Allen and Darnold project to the type of QB room we currently have now with all four (Bridgewater, McCown, Hackenberg, and Petty)... Reason why the Jets have been noted in constantly working out Mayfield is even tho his game may translate they are trying to push his buttons so to speak to see if he cracks under pressure which will happen in the New York Market (media mainly)... So far to my knowledge they are intrigued in what they are seeing out of him, he has been a trooper to say the least... Observing his social media blurps and he is still impressing...

As much as I say I don't think he is the guy, his bravado and his arrogance does appeal to many New Yorkers but will it be enough...

My main concern is if the Browns do take Allen, can the Jets or do the Jets have enough firepower to make a move up one spot to get Darnold whom the Giants actually covet the most in this draft? Because we know at least 3 teams will be calling the GMen for that pick...

So if anyone is wondering this is how I feel the Jets Big Board should be:
  • Sam Darnold
  • Josh Allen
  • Baker Mayfield
  • Josh Rosen
But feel this is the way they see this QB class:

Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield are the top two in this draft, if one or the other are there they will be Jets and yes Darnold over Mayfield... But they know Darnold will likely NOT be there... So Mayfield albeit short in stature can be a franchise type of QB if handled right and with McCown in the QB room this is possible...

For people that suggest his height is a problem just think this a 6'5" offensive lineman does NOT stand tall he is hunched over to play with leverage and is actually standing 6'2" on the field so if this logic is sound a 6'2" offensive lineman actually plays around 5'11" on the field making Baker able to see down the field and over the middle from the pocket, especially if they give him some lifts in his shoes to nudge him a tad taller...

Okay I am tired, said my piece go ahead tear me a new one...
 

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I still think Darnold will be No. 1 Overall... because of this the Giants will take Barkley at No. 2 otherwise they would take Darnold at 2...

I don't think Mayfield would translate to our QB room, but also do not believe Allen even though he would thrive in New York is the guy either... Rosen ambitions outside football scares any QB needy team to gamble on his love for the game that he could get frustrated with slow progress of any said team and retire to pursue his other interests... I understand why we traded up, but I think they were to premature in doing so now that we have no assets to play with, we are stuck sitting behind the Browns and who they take, and the possibility of someone leap frogging us to the Giants No. 2 pick...

I said this before I do believe in these statements below:
  • Baker Mayfield on the field is the best QB in this draft, but his off the field concerns are an issue and will be amplified in the New York Market...
  • Sam Darnold has the highest ceiling of any QB in this draft, but will need time to develop (one to two years)...
  • Josh Rosen is a pro ready QB with touch and accuracy can start immediately but his frail body won't stand up to the hits he will take...
  • Josh Allen is a raw prospect with measurable(s) and is built for the northeast weather, has boom or bust attached to his career...
  • Lamar Jackson is an elite athletic prospect who can develop into a cerebral passer, but like Josh Allen there is that bust hanging over his young career...
Of these five QBs, Darnold makes the most sense for us, with Allen being the number two option with Bridgewater trying to revive his career and having a heady QB in Josh McCown who is currently the starter looking over his shoulder... Fans don't want another project in Allen, but will get ansi with someone like Darnold who will need time to sit... Both Allen and Darnold project to the type of QB room we currently have now with all four (Bridgewater, McCown, Hackenberg, and Petty)... Reason why the Jets have been noted in constantly working out Mayfield is even tho his game may translate they are trying to push his buttons so to speak to see if he cracks under pressure which will happen in the New York Market (media mainly)... So far to my knowledge they are intrigued in what they are seeing out of him, he has been a trooper to say the least... Observing his social media blurps and he is still impressing...

As much as I say I don't think he is the guy, his bravado and his arrogance does appeal to many New Yorkers but will it be enough...

My main concern is if the Browns do take Allen, can the Jets or do the Jets have enough firepower to make a move up one spot to get Darnold whom the Giants actually covet the most in this draft? Because we know at least 3 teams will be calling the GMen for that pick...

So if anyone is wondering this is how I feel the Jets Big Board should be:
  • Sam Darnold
  • Josh Allen
  • Baker Mayfield
  • Josh Rosen
But feel this is the way they see this QB class:

Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield are the top two in this draft, if one or the other are there they will be Jets and yes Darnold over Mayfield... But they know Darnold will likely NOT be there... So Mayfield albeit short in stature can be a franchise type of QB if handled right and with McCown in the QB room this is possible...

For people that suggest his height is a problem just think this a 6'5" offensive lineman does NOT stand tall he is hunched over to play with leverage and is actually standing 6'2" on the field so if this logic is sound a 6'2" offensive lineman actually plays around 5'11" on the field making Baker able to see down the field and over the middle from the pocket, especially if they give him some lifts in his shoes to nudge him a tad taller...

Okay I am tired, said my piece go ahead tear me a new one...
Actually there's nothing to tear into, its a really thoughtful and well considered post.
 

hobson54

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.. Rosen ambitions outside football scares any QB needy team to gamble on his love for the game that he could get frustrated with slow progress of any said team and retire to pursue his other interests...


i keep reading this critique and not sure where it's coming from. i've read a number of interviews with rosen and he talks about wanting to be the winningest QB in history, win more SBs than brady, etc...

i understand concerns about injuries/concussions. very valid concerns. but not sure where this label that rosen may just decide to quit football comes from.
 

Namath12

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i think you are putting your personal feelings in place of what macc will do. and you admit that. but i find it hard to believe that macc will pass on both rosen and allen for mayfield.

here are the NCAA completion % career leaders. you will notice a trend in terms of system of offense. you will also note the lack of nfl franchise QBs. now that doesn't mean mayfield will turn out like the others. but the high completion % needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

[h=2]Leaders[/h]
  • Since 1956
Colt Brennan*70.3920052007Hawaii
Colt McCoy*70.3320062009Texas
Kellen Moore*69.7820082011Boise State
Graham Harrell*69.7720052008Texas Tech
Brandon Weeden*69.5420082011Oklahoma State
Case Keenum*69.3620072011Houston
Chase Holbrook69.3520062008New Mexico State
Seth Doege*69.0020092012Texas Tech
Johnny Manziel*68.9520122013Texas A&M
Brandon Doughty*68.6120112015Western Kentucky
Baker Mayfield*68.5420132017Oklahom

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I change my mind every day as to which QB I'd like, but I want to point out one morsel of food for thought. Not sure where I saw this, perhaps Pro Football Focus or Football Outsiders. Maybe someone already posted it here, LOL. All of the QBs were rated, not on their raw completion percentage, but on more strict metrics. It was noted where exactly a pass was completed with relation to the reseiver's body, hands, and direction in which he was running. Did the pass hit the receiver in stride so that he can run after the catch, or did the receiver have to slow down or reach back because the ball was thrown at his back hip? Etc. Think of Sanchez, for example. The analysis also took into account the percentage of completions when there was a tight window, the average distance the ball traveled, etc. I'm not 100% positive, but I believe that Mayfield came out well ahead of the other top QBs in every metric that was analyzed. I wish that I could provide the link, but it was a very illuminating analysis.
 

gmf1369

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i keep reading this critique and not sure where it's coming from. i've read a number of interviews with rosen and he talks about wanting to be the winningest QB in history, win more SBs than brady, etc...

i understand concerns about injuries/concussions. very valid concerns. but not sure where this label that rosen may just decide to quit football comes from.

his own comments... see he already stated he does not want to play for the Browns because of a losing culture it was in context of a conversation before the combine... He tried to take it back but it was already stated... in that same convo he stated he would rather go to a third world country to do charity work then play for the Browns... Not slighting him just stating he has other ambitions and football at the time of that statement makes people believe he isn't totally bought in to playing at the next level...

so this is something that can turn off an organization from investing enough time post that statement to see if he is the guy they want to draft...

Now I stated post the Super Bowl that Rosen was and is the most ready day one QB and that teams that are in need should consider him including us... Then we signed Bridgewater and re-signed McCown opening the door for a project player or a developmental option like Darnold...


I did post this in the Jets Global Forum for NCAA talk:

LOS ANGELES - Manziel or Brady?

It was almost 14 months ago when UCLA coach Jim Mora asked his outspoken young quarterback, about to enter his sophomore season, which he preferred to become?

The answer is becoming more clear.

Josh Rosen prefers to be Josh Rosen.

The son of Ivy Leaguers, his father a renowned spine surgeon and his mother a former magazine editor, a Jewish student at a Southern California Catholic high school who once called himself "kind of an atheist," an anti-Trump campaigner who is fascinated with Elon Musk, a critic of UCLA's marketing deal with an apparel company because the money wasn't shared with athletes and of athletic departments who care more about maintaining athletes' eligibility than educating them.

That's the Rosen we've gotten to know away from the football field, although he acknowledges at age 20 he is evolving.

"I'm going through an interesting time in my life in college learning who I am," the junior quarterback said last week after a practice as he and his teammates prepare for Sunday's game at the Rose Bowl against Texas A&M.

"I've learned a lot about everything - perspective on life, football, school, family, everything."

As a football player, he is much more developed as might be expected of a quarterback who started all 13 games as a true freshman and six games last season before season-ending shoulder surgery.

'A real thirst for knowledge'

Jedd Fisch, UCLA's offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, has been impressed since joining the staff this year after two seasons at Michigan with Rosen's intelligence.

"I think the biggest thing you see with Josh is a guy who is really, really working hard out there," Fisch said last week.

"What you don't see is all the behind the scenes questions, all the stuff in the meeting room, where he's sitting there asking all the good questions, all the hard questions. Such as, 'Why are we putting this in?' Or, 'For what coverage do you want this?' Or, "What do you want to run this against?'

"It's not questioning what we're doing. It's a real thirst for knowledge. And I trust him. He has the ability to say on Saturday night this week, and normally Fridays, 'Coach, I don't really like that play.' And by that point in time, I just say, 'OK,' and take it out of the playbook and move onto the next play."

Texas A&M coach Kevin Sumlin saw another side of Rosen when the teams met in the opener last season at Kyle Field.

"He was extremely impressive," Sumlin said last week. "We knew he was smart, and he's bigger (6-4, 210) than you think he is. But the thing I was really impressed with was his toughness. We hit him and hit him a lot, and he got better. It's not supposed to work that way … especially in the fourth quarter. When you have a quarterback like that, you have your hands full."

Asked if he has watched film of that game, Rosen said, "A lot."

It's painful for him to watch, although not as painful as the game was for him to play. He completed 24 of 46 passes for 343 yards with one touchdown. But he also was intercepted three times, sacked five times and forced into scrambling to recover his own fumbles twice.

Yet, with the Aggies leading 24-9 in the fourth quarter, Rosen led the Bruins on two touchdown drives, throwing a 62-yard scoring pass and then for a two-point conversion to send the game into overtime. Aggies fans among the 100,433 in attendance were relieved when their quarterback, Trevor Knight, scored a touchdown in overtime for a 31-24 victory.

Rosen doesn't say a victory Sunday would be redemption. That would be a cliche.

He said it would be a "palate cleanser."

He said he is definitely not looking past this game, even if many among the national media are already asking him about the Nov. 18 game against crosstown rival USC. The Trojans also have a Heisman Trophy candidate at quarterback in Sam Darnold.

"Chosen Rosen" was considered the better prospect among the two Southern California beach boys out of high school. USC wanted to use Darnold as a freshman at linebacker. He redshirted instead.

Now, however, Darnold appears to be the Heisman front runner. Gil Brandt, the legendary NFL scout, told 24/7 Sports that Darnold would be selected ahead of Rosen if the draft were today. Other scouts have elaborated, saying they are concerned Rosen has too many other interests to totally devote himself to football and that the controversy that often surrounds him could be a distraction.

Thus, Mora's Manziel reference. It's not that their behavior is similar, despite that Instagram photo of Rosen in an inflatable hot tub with a coed in his dorm room as a freshman. It's that they attract too much attention to themselves.

Mora said he asked Rosen to be more "socially responsible." Many interpreted that to mean he wanted Rosen to publicly speak less about subjects other than football.

Showing more caution

Rosen's friends say he has become more cautious. That didn't stop him from telling Bleacher Report this summer that it's too difficult to commit to sports and academics and that the student in student-athlete is rarely an accurate portrayal of a football player. Not as many would have noticed if he hadn't added, "Raise the SAT requirement at Alabama and see what kind of team they have." Told Deshaun Watson and a Clemson teammate graduated in three years, he said he applauded them, before following up with, "…certain schools are easier than others."

With a university spokesperson at his side, and no private interviews allowed last week, Rosen was guarded with a small gathering of media at UCLA's practice field, staying on the topics of football and the Aggies.

"Obviously, you know who's graduated and who's still there," he said. "But, when you haven't seen them play a game, it's a little bit of a puzzle. They've got a lot of really good players coming back."

Very Brady.
 

gmf1369

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well he was talking about the browns...

still he was talking about a team regardless who it is, we aren't much better than them and what if the progress of our team doesn't sit well with him and after year three or four decides the money doesn't justify the losing culture and retires... is he worth that short stint and wasted draft picks that we used to move up from 6 to 3 with a player that has a lot of what ifs surrounding him?

I think he is pro ready and believe there is one team ready to take him and start him day one that is the Buffalo Bills...

I just don't think he will survive in NY with Green & White, I think he would do well here but that baggage gives me pause...
 

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still he was talking about a team regardless who it is, we aren't much better than them and what if the progress of our team doesn't sit well with him and after year three or four decides the money doesn't justify the losing culture and retires... is he worth that short stint and wasted draft picks that we used to move up from 6 to 3 with a player that has a lot of what ifs surrounding him?

I think he is pro ready and believe there is one team ready to take him and start him day one that is the Buffalo Bills...

I just don't think he will survive in NY with Green & White, I think he would do well here but that baggage gives me pause...


every single prospect in the draft has a lot of what ifs surrounding him? there is no andrew luck or peyton manning here. there are questions on all 4 of these QBs.

you don't think mayfield has questions? are you sure he won't get caught up in the NY spotlight? the post and daily news will probably have reporters stalking his every move at night time. are you sure he won't struggle to adapt to a pro style offense, taking snaps under center and facing actual defenses? are you sure he will be the next russell wilson and not the next johnny manziel?

fortunately the teams and the people making decisions will have a lot more insight into these guys then we fans do based on snippets we read in the press. macc and staff are meeting with all 4 of the QBs, so they will get a better look at what makes each of them tick. i grant that applies to mayfield as well.

like everyone here, we just want the jets to pick the right guy. i'm just not willing to write off rosen because of some perception that he doesn't love the game. you don't need to be a rah rah guy to love the game. rosen kind of strikes me as an eli manning type, albeit an outspoken one.

(for the record, i only saw this article AFTER i typed the above sentence and did a google search to see if anyone else made the comparison)
 

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every single prospect in the draft has a lot of what ifs surrounding him? there is no andrew luck or peyton manning here. there are questions on all 4 of these QBs.

you don't think mayfield has questions? are you sure he won't get caught up in the NY spotlight? the post and daily news will probably have reporters stalking his every move at night time. are you sure he won't struggle to adapt to a pro style offense, taking snaps under center and facing actual defenses? are you sure he will be the next russell wilson and not the next johnny manziel?

fortunately the teams and the people making decisions will have a lot more insight into these guys then we fans do based on snippets we read in the press. macc and staff are meeting with all 4 of the QBs, so they will get a better look at what makes each of them tick. i grant that applies to mayfield as well.

like everyone here, we just want the jets to pick the right guy. i'm just not willing to write off rosen because of some perception that he doesn't love the game. you don't need to be a rah rah guy to love the game. rosen kind of strikes me as an eli manning type, albeit an outspoken one.

(for the record, i only saw this article AFTER i typed the above sentence and did a google search to see if anyone else made the comparison)

the recent news Josh Rosen is he could slide out of the top ten maybe even out of the top 25... character concerns are not just being floated out there... like I said I thought he would of been a solid pick but there are too many concerns to say we do not need another headache for the media to feast on...

yes the same can be said for Mayfiled but his bravado is already out there, it will take an entire organization to reel him in from turning into the next Johnny Football before he figured out life is real and he needs to fix his life but will he get his next chance or is it over for him... Mayfield being tagged as similar to Manziel is troubling but is he really on that same level right now, it is up for a separate debate... as for the Jets they have repeatedly workout, visited, took out to dinner, etc over 12 meetings to this point more than any other prospect thus far, where people believe if he is there at 3 he will be a jet...

back to Rosen, eye appeal he looks like he is the ideal measurable QB, pro ready, accurate but he is still a frail prospect and could be destroyed physically, does he have that determination to get himself to where he can be a long term answer for a franchise or is that another knock on his character which has been noted throughout his college career... I can keep on going about Rosen, but just gonna let it play out, we take who they want and us as fans will live with the glory or failure of whom they choose to take...
 

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I'm not going to pick one because I have issues with all of them. I'm just going to hope and pray that the one they pick turns out to be our franchise quarter back. And as a footnote, GMF, putting lifts in Mayfields shoes won't help. It would throw him off balance and he wouldn't know what to do with the added visibility. Plus, signing him might force Tebow to take a long walk on a short pier. All joking aside, I hope they get this pick right and I'm glad I don't have to make it.
 

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the recent news Josh Rosen is he could slide out of the top ten maybe even out of the top 25... character concerns are not just being floated out there... like I said I thought he would of been a solid pick but there are too many concerns to say we do not need another headache for the media to feast on...

yes the same can be said for Mayfiled but his bravado is already out there, it will take an entire organization to reel him in from turning into the next Johnny Football before he figured out life is real and he needs to fix his life but will he get his next chance or is it over for him... Mayfield being tagged as similar to Manziel is troubling but is he really on that same level right now, it is up for a separate debate... as for the Jets they have repeatedly workout, visited, took out to dinner, etc over 12 meetings to this point more than any other prospect thus far, where people believe if he is there at 3 he will be a jet...

back to Rosen, eye appeal he looks like he is the ideal measurable QB, pro ready, accurate but he is still a frail prospect and could be destroyed physically, does he have that determination to get himself to where he can be a long term answer for a franchise or is that another knock on his character which has been noted throughout his college career... I can keep on going about Rosen, but just gonna let it play out, we take who they want and us as fans will live with the glory or failure of whom they choose to take...


so rosen is gonna fall out of the top 25 because of character concerns, but mayfield is worth taking with the 3rd pick even though it will take an entire organization to hold his hand and hope he doesn't become an embarrassment to the team?

and i'd put money on it rosen doesn't fall out of the top 20. i doubt he makes it past #5
 

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I'm not going to pick one because I have issues with all of them. I'm just going to hope and pray that the one they pick turns out to be our franchise quarter back. And as a footnote, GMF, putting lifts in Mayfields shoes won't help. It would throw him off balance and he wouldn't know what to do with the added visibility. Plus, signing him might force Tebow to take a long walk on a short pier. All joking aside, I hope they get this pick right and I'm glad I don't have to make it.

well if they goof it up as everyone believes they will we still have next year's 1st still in our back pocket until they don't by doing something foolish with it... it will be that much harder next year to get it wrong again since they won't be here...
 

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so rosen is gonna fall out of the top 25 because of character concerns, but mayfield is worth taking with the 3rd pick even though it will take an entire organization to hold his hand and hope he doesn't become an embarrassment to the team?

and i'd put money on it rosen doesn't fall out of the top 20. i doubt he makes it past #5

Mayfield lives with his arrogance on his sleeve, so everyone knows what they are getting but for Rosen they are uncovering stuff that makes him problematic for teams to take that chance...

and if you google Josh Rosen NFL you will see the same articles I just noted about him sliding in the draft...

do the same thing for Baker Mayfield NFL and see what they are saying... It is not me it is the media making posts on what Daniel Jeremiah a noted reporter who has inside scoop on what teams, execs are saying... (Which QB most ready? -- Is Baker worthy of a Top 3 Pick? -- Baker second QB drafted) those are the top three articles...

Just saying media runs this time of the year, it is on whose perception to believe which is B.S. and which is on point...
 

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Mayfield lives with his arrogance on his sleeve, so everyone knows what they are getting but for Rosen they are uncovering stuff that makes him problematic for teams to take that chance...

and if you google Josh Rosen NFL you will see the same articles I just noted about him sliding in the draft...

do the same thing for Baker Mayfield NFL and see what they are saying... It is not me it is the media making posts on what Daniel Jeremiah a noted reporter who has inside scoop on what teams, execs are saying... (Which QB most ready? -- Is Baker worthy of a Top 3 Pick? -- Baker second QB drafted) those are the top three articles...

Just saying media runs this time of the year, it is on whose perception to believe which is B.S. and which is on point...


it all comes from what jeremiah said. he also said he thought rosen was the 2nd best QB in the draft. and nowhere did he say sliding out of the top 25 or even 20. there are way too many QB needy teams to think that happens. you think the dolphins, bills (if they don't trade up), cardinals, redskins, chargers, giants (if they swap with the bills) all pass on him?


1) Josh Rosen is the QB most likely to slide: Everyone I've talked to around the league believes there will be three quarterbacks selected within the first five picks of the draft. That means someone out of the "big four" QBs -- USC's Sam Darnold, Wyoming's Josh Allen, Oklahoma's Baker Mayfield and UCLA's Rosen -- could slide a little bit. When I bring up this topic with personnel executives, Rosen is the one they point to as the most likely slider of the group. I personally believe Rosen is the second-best quarterback in the draft class behind Darnold, but the former Bruins QB might fall out of the top 10. Why? Part of it comes back to the durability concerns for Rosen that we've heard about throughout the process. We'll continue to hear people question his intangibles as a leader, but that's far less of a concern than the fact that he missed half his sophomore year with a shoulder injury and suffered two concussions last season.
 
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