Hopeful for Geno Smith for 2015 season (Long read)

[Jet Fan RI]

@Jet Fan RI:

I found an article that answers this question. It was written in defense of Manziel who has had an epic disaster of a first season. I don't think everyone on the list makes sense but Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Fran Tarkenton, John Elway. Take a look and let me know your thoughts.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...eyton-manning-among-qbs-with-bad-first-starts

Wow. Great job! What an incredible list of QB's. Sounds like we might still hold out hope for Geno. But Geno has been at it for the Jets for 2 years. Anybody in that list play sub-par for that long before becoming great?

 

[OCCH]

Wow. Great job! What an incredible list of QB's. Sounds like we might still hold out hope for Geno. But Geno has been at it for the Jets for 2 years. Anybody in that list play sub-par for that long before becoming great?

IMO, the chances of Geno showing considerable improvement at this point is MUCH closer to what we went through with Sanchez than what any of those other QBs experienced . . .

 

[Jet Fan RI]

IMO, the chances of Geno showing considerable improvement at this point is MUCH closer to what we went through with Sanchez than what any of those other QBs experienced . . .

Hope that's not the case. But to tell you the truth, I thought the Jets gave up too fast on Sanchez. I think if a few more draft picks had been used on offense, things may have been different. And that's just one reason I hope they stick with Geno a bit longer. Let's see how he can do if the offense is given a bit more attention.

 

[OCCH]

Hope that's not the case. But to tell you the truth, I thought the Jets gave up too fast on Sanchez. I think if a few more draft picks had been used on offense, things may have been different. And that's just one reason I hope they stick with Geno a bit longer. Let's see how he can do if the offense is given a bit more attention.

From your mouth to God's ears . . .

 

[Jet Fan RI]

From your mouth to God's ears . . .

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic.

 

[OCCH]

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic.

Not at all my friend.

Like any other Jets fan, I would LOVE to see Geno pan out. But unfortunately I fear it may take an act of God for that to become a reality . . .

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Not at all my friend.

Like any other Jets fan, I would LOVE to see Geno pan out. But unfortunately I fear it may take an act of God for that to become a reality . . .

Phew. You had me worried there for a while...

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Geno is still in the Mix for this season. But that's about it for me. You have to bring in through the draft another QB prospect. Be it at #6 pick of draft with Mariota or in the 2nd round with Petty or Hundley.

Then get a veteran that can beat out Geno for that starting job. If Geno plays light out in TC-preseason and earns to start the season. It will be his last shot to prove himself. IMO...he won't hold on to it.

I agree 100% I have no faith in Geno SMith whatsoever. It's excuse upon excuse with this guy. He's all about the glamour than the grid iron. He talks so much garbage and never delivers at all (pro bowl flashes-"Elite" :smiley-angry046:.
If he beats out legit competition this season, then i'am all for eating Crow. But Geno IMHO, will not be our opening day starter in '15.

 

[CodieneWanKenobi]

When I watch Geno I just don't see him as a leader. If I was a Head Coach I'd want my QB to have the support of his teammates like Peyton Manning. You never hear of guys talking about Geno as that guy they hang out with on off days. Just a factor when it comes to Geno. I get the vibe that he's an outsider or just a QB who keeps to himself.

 

[ucrenegade]

I get the feeling he lacks confidence on the inside........he may try to be brave on the outside saying stuff like he feels he is pro-bowl talent but on the inside he may not believe it.

 

[Christa]

Great read, I agree with a lot of this. Jets have not had talented offense in awhile. Decker is a solid 2 and Harvin is a slot WR. It's very possible that Geno may thrive under Gailey and that a capable #1 wide receiver may help him as well.

Geno does deserve a another shot under Gailey, but with Mariota potentially falling at 6. It may be too tempting for the Jets to grab him. Would love to see the Jets grab a #1 WR whether it by free agency or draft because the Jets need a dynamic game changer along side of Decker.

 

[Mainejet]

There's no doubt watching Geno Smith QB in the last two seasons has been extremely frustrating. If you go back and read some of the posts I made here, I am on the record saying that Geno didn’t pass the eye test but now that I had some time to think about next year, I do not think I am ready to give up just yet. I have hopes for him heading into next year because he will be under the tutelage of Chan Gailey. A man that has gotten career years out of Kordell Stewart, Jay Fiedler, Tyler Thigpen and Ryan Fitzpatrick, why wouldn’t he be able to do the same with Geno?

The first thing that Geno has on his side is his age. He is still only 24 years old. Since his rookie year he has been thrown into the fire and this blame could be placed onto no other than the Rex Ryan/John Idzik regime. I always laugh at how adamant [MENTION=82]sg3[/MENTION] is with his WRECKS talk every five minutes but I think when it comes to QBs that nickname is warranted and well deserved. I love Rex Ryan by the way but he was a flawed head coach.

Coming out of college, everyone knew that Smith was not supposed to start right away. For that matter, the Jets were not even looking to suit him up but have him as the third string/emergency QB for 2013. The extreme couponer himself, Idzik, found David Garrard in the garbage somewhere and brought him in to compete with Geno and Mark Sanchez. Unfortunately, Garrard was unable to make the comeback and retired before the 2013 preseason. This left Geno to compete against Sanchez for the starting nod. As expected, he was losing the QB battle but then, against the Giants, Rex got cute and put Sanchez in with second and third stringers. We all remember what happened next, Sanchez hurt his shoulder and was deemed out for the year.

Geno was forced into the starting line up as an unpolished rookie (who didn’t know how to play under center) with a receiving core of Stephen Hill, Jeremy Kerley, Santonio Holmes and David Nelson. Hill was invisible, Holmes was oft-injured and barely had a presence on the field and Nelson came onto the team mid-year. The only bright spot on our receiving core was Kerley. He impressed many of us but after looking at his stats he was ranked 86th in receiving yards. Truth be told, Kerley is nothing more than a third wide receiver, if that.

In 2014, the Jets tried to address the WR issue by acquiring Decker but the team still lacked a second wide receiver until Idzik realized his mistake (not drafting an impact WR in the draft or signing DeSean Jackson when he was available in the offseason) and traded for Percy Harvin. Smith finally had another decent weapon to throw the ball to. Many would argue that Harvin is not a true WR but he did in fact help Smith. With Harvin plugged in at the second WR slot, Geno threw the ball at a 60% clip vs. 57% prior to the trade. Not that big of a difference but it helped open up the field a bit.

Geno is very streaky. When things are going well they go very well and when they are not, they go real bad. In the final four games of the season, Geno threw for a 65% completion rate, 6 TDs and Two Interceptions. Overall in 2014, compared to 2013, Geno threw for more TDs and threw less interceptions despite playing in less games. To quote one of our posters [MENTION=79]Little John Flowers[/MENTION] (his post inspired this):



Little John is right, Geno is good when not under pressure, unfortunately, according to PFF he was under pressure 40% of his dropbacks -- the third highest in the league last season. (Disclaimer: I think I am reading these stats correctly. I feel like PFF's stats could be presented better. I am not a numbers guy)

Continuing on that point, take a look at the stats below from PFF. When Geno is not under pressure, he has a QB rating of 89.8. I do wish his TD:INT was a bit better but at least he is throwing the ball like a QB here and moving the chains.

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Based off the table above, it's clear that if Geno doesn't have to think as much and process the defense, he can have some success (don't see this as a knock, he is young). So now this is where I think Gailey and the Spread Offense would work wonders. Geno is pretty mobile for a QB and has used his legs as a weapon before. I believe Gailey will more than likely use Geno's mobility to his advantage roll him out often, whether it's in the pistol formation or out of shotgun. This will essentially take away half of the field, so he isn't forced to think as much. This is where it will be up to Geno to improve and make the right decision, if it's there, throw it. If not, make the smart play and either run it for a gain or throw the ball away.

In my opinion, Geno's strength is in the short and intermediate passing game. He excelled doing that in college and with the right weapons, I can see him exceling in the pros. If we sign Spiller and utilized our other weapons in the short passing game (Amaro, maybe Harvin), I can see the streaky Geno getting in a rhythm and succeeding.

There is no denying Smith is a hard worker. Everything I read about him shows me that he wants to succeed. Now he just needs to put it all together on the field. Only QB I want from this years crop of prospects is Winston. If Winston doesn’t fall in our lap, I am prepared to battle with Geno at least for one more year. I would still bring on a veteran, whether it's Locker, Fitzpatrick or Hoyer to try to give Geno a run for his money. But the point is, I think we are heading in the right direction with the Gailey Hire and do not think it is the end of the world if we stick with Smith and develop the rest of the team albeit WR, OLB, CB, S, OL, etc.

Am I on crack?:stoned-smiley:

I gave up this after, "I do not think I am ready to give up just yet". I stopped reading at that point. Geno Smith SUCKS pure and simple. The Jets MUST, at all costs if they want to give their fans something to look forward to, get a different QB. The ONLY reason why Geno should stick one more season is for depth sake. God help us the fans if they trot him out there again. The guy is beyond terrible.

 

[Elias]

I gave up this after, "I do not think I am ready to give up just yet". I stopped reading at that point. Geno Smith SUCKS pure and simple. The Jets MUST, at all costs if they want to give their fans something to look forward to, get a different QB. The ONLY reason why Geno should stick one more season is for depth sake. God help us the fans if they trot him out there again. The guy is beyond terrible.

At least your read two sentences.

 

[Elias]

I gave up this after, "I do not think I am ready to give up just yet". I stopped reading at that point. Geno Smith SUCKS pure and simple. The Jets MUST, at all costs if they want to give their fans something to look forward to, get a different QB. The ONLY reason why Geno should stick one more season is for depth sake. God help us the fans if they trot him out there again. The guy is beyond terrible.

And welcome MJ, I responded to a few of your posts without welcoming you.

 

[Mainejet]

And welcome MJ, I responded to a few of your posts without welcoming you.

You and I are going to get along just fine. You seem pretty knowledgeable and I wouldn't knock that. I just believe Geno Smith had his chance. He's done and where the NFL is a QB driven league, the Jets ills start and end at QB.

 

[Elias]

You and I are going to get along just fine. You seem pretty knowledgeable and I wouldn't knock that. I just believe Geno Smith had his chance. He's done and where the NFL is a QB driven league, the Jets ills start and end at QB.

I am in no position to argue in favor or Geno Smith. He's been the worst QB in the league the last two years but I do think that Marty and his staff didn't put his guys in the best possible position to succeed. I have hope that Gailey will based off his track record.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I gave up this after, "I do not think I am ready to give up just yet". I stopped reading at that point. Geno Smith SUCKS pure and simple. The Jets MUST, at all costs if they want to give their fans something to look forward to, get a different QB. The ONLY reason why Geno should stick one more season is for depth sake. God help us the fans if they trot him out there again. The guy is beyond terrible.

Geno is god awful. I just can't see it. Geno even managed to melt my Kool aid Green Glasses. The guy is just not suited to be our starter. No matter who the OC is.
No more of this "Blaming others" game. Geno was given better weapons in year two and played worse. Plus Rex had to bench him twice in favor of a QB who was on his last leg.

I'am sorry folks it's time to move on, and yes, there are plenty of options to choose from.
Mariota
Bryce Petty
Foles(trade)
Glennon(trade)
Bradford(Trade)
Hoyer
Mallett
Locker