I'm assuming he's done for the year. He's not making a ton of plays, but teams do have to cover him deep. Presumably this is helpful in opening things up underneath for the other receivers and the running game. What do you think the effect of his loss will be, if any?
How big is the loss of Devin Smith?
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IMO its not that big of a loss for THIS YEAR, the truth is he missed so much time in the off season (mini camp and training camp) that his rookie season turned into a quasi redshirt year, just as I feared it would when we discussed all the reps he was missing in the off season. Yes he was coming on a little more late, but he still wasn't making any kind of significant impact, not the kind of production that can't be replaced with Enunwa, Kerley and Thompkins, because he really wasn't making big plays down the field despite his speed.
So I'm not concerned about the hit we take this year, but I am concerned if its an ACL because it happened so late in the season that the rehab probably bleeds into next year, so once again he'll be missing OTA's, mini camp and perhaps even a portion of training camp if not all of training camp. Thats the greater concern for me than losing him for the rest of this year, though obviously I hope its not that serious.
So I'm not concerned about the hit we take this year, but I am concerned if its an ACL because it happened so late in the season that the rehab probably bleeds into next year, so once again he'll be missing OTA's, mini camp and perhaps even a portion of training camp if not all of training camp. Thats the greater concern for me than losing him for the rest of this year, though obviously I hope its not that serious.
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From a personal stand point it is devastating for Smith. As Ham pointed out, as late as it is in the season it is going to cost him early next year, and curve his development even further.
From a 2015 team stand point, very little. Smith has had one good game, for most of the year he has looked lost out there. Wish the kid a quick recovery, hope he can get back for at least camp next year. Going to take a lot of work on his part to over come this
From a 2015 team stand point, very little. Smith has had one good game, for most of the year he has looked lost out there. Wish the kid a quick recovery, hope he can get back for at least camp next year. Going to take a lot of work on his part to over come this
Smith needs to spend a few weeks this off season hanging out with Eric Decker. Maybe he can learn a little bit about separation and route running.
i'll go with "if any.."
he's a rookie WR who mostly played the position in college running really fast in a straight line..
this ain't college.. just running really fast in a straight line is not a game changing factor in the NFL..
disappointing rookie season for a 2nd round pick but the broken ribs/punctured lung was the kiss of death for a kid that needs to learn his position in the pro's..
lets see how smith developes year two.. LOLz what else can we do??
I dunno, this kid doesn't have the fire needed to be at this level. Thought at times he looked lost out there, being a rookie that is fine. But yesterday he was running half speed on those pass attempts thrown his way.
Unfortunately his injury doesn't hurt us at all. Actually gives Kerley or Thompkins more reps. Expect Thompkins over Kerley get those snaps.
Will reiterate, thought Devin Smith should of spent the entire season on the inactive game day list on the active roster to perfect his route running tree skills. His hand, eye coordination is poor. His peripheral vision is lacking.
With his off-season/training camp injury they should of really considered shelving him on game days, its not like we needed him. It is what it is, will he develop more than likely it will take a full off season of workouts along more time during preseason to execute his training at this level. Say mid way through next season he will be a full compliment to our other receivers and as long he stays healthy.
Unfortunately his injury doesn't hurt us at all. Actually gives Kerley or Thompkins more reps. Expect Thompkins over Kerley get those snaps.
Will reiterate, thought Devin Smith should of spent the entire season on the inactive game day list on the active roster to perfect his route running tree skills. His hand, eye coordination is poor. His peripheral vision is lacking.
With his off-season/training camp injury they should of really considered shelving him on game days, its not like we needed him. It is what it is, will he develop more than likely it will take a full off season of workouts along more time during preseason to execute his training at this level. Say mid way through next season he will be a full compliment to our other receivers and as long he stays healthy.
I would also say that both Devin Smith & Jace Amaro need to spend some time this coming off-season working with Ryan Fitzpztrick getting on the same page and establishing some sort of rhythm with him .... Imagine ...how good an offense we would have with two more tools at Fitzpatrick's disposal.
next man up..
Great point man. I was hoping Devin would turn the corner, but he's still young and it definetly takes time to groom a one dimensional player.
Kembrell is a perfect example of that. Loads of potential but needed alot of time to showcase his talent. I'd much rather Thompkins in the line up more now than Smith.
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Why Are Professional Athletes Able to Return from ACL Surgery Sooner Than Me?
With the football season upon us once again, I’ve decided to blog about an all-too-common injury we see in competitive athletes and the rehabilitation following surgery. ACL ruptures are usually followed by reconstruction surgery that is then followed by progressive rehabilitation that may last up to 12 months. In the NFL, there is an average of 53 ACL injuries per year. Offensive skill positions, such as running backs & wide receivers, have the highest ACL injury rates. Depending on the extent of injury to these athletes, most players can expect 6-12 months before being cleared by a physician to return to their previous level of play.
If you’re a fan of the New England Patriots, you’ve probably heard of the comeback of receiver Wes Welker from ACL reconstructive surgery very closely. Welker tore his ACL at the end of the 2009-2010 season in January of 2010, and then started Game 1 of the 2010-2011 NFL season in September 2010. In many athletes who experience ACL injury, we often get asked the question how can Wes Welker return to professional football so soon, but I can’t?!?
Welker’s comeback has definitely pushed conventional time limits for his return to the sport. Most people who undergo reconstructive knee surgery can return to athletic activities at six to eight months, but they’re usually not back to their previous level of competition until one year. Keep in mind—we’re not talking about recreational sports; this is the NFL.
Professional athletes take the human body to the limits of what it can do, and so we learn from them. Ultimately, we often want to emulate them, which is why it’s important to put Welker’s comeback into perspective.
We attempt to stress to athletes with ACL injuries that the average pro football player takes 54 weeks to return to play after an ACL injury. When a patient tries to return earlier, they often experience pain and swelling, and are at some level of increased risk of re-injury.
Another thing for athletes to keep in mind is that most NFL players who sustain an injury to their ACL do typically return to play again in the NFL, however a research study from the American Journal of Sports Medicine has shown that most athletes return with diminished performance on the field.
James L. Carey, MD and colleagues from the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, Philadelphia, PA conducted a study that objectively measure an NFL player's performance before and after an ACL injury. (Dr. Carey is now affiliated with Vanderbilt Sports Medicine, Nashville, Tenn.)
The researchers collected data on ACL injuries sustained by NFL running backs (RBs) and wide receivers (WRs) during a five-year period (1998-2002). This data came from NFL game summaries, play-by-play documents, weekly injury reports, and player profiles. The injury group was compared to a control group consisting of all NFL RBs and WRs without an identified ACL injury who played during the 2000 season.
In this study, game performance output in the professional athlete was the measurement used to objectify the data. A "power rating" was assigned for every player in every season, defined as a weighted sum of total yards and touchdowns, likely the most important statistics of RB and WR performance. The power ratings for the 3 seasons prior to ACL injury were compared to the power ratings for the 3 seasons following ACL injury.
Data were analyzed for 31 players with 33 ACL injuries. Of the injured players, 21% (7 of 33 ACL injuries) never returned to play in another regular season NFL game. Of the 795 that did return, most players returned to action 9 to 12 months after an ACL injury.
For those players who returned to NFL action following an ACL injury, performance fell by 1/3. Power rating per game played decreased from 9.9 pre-injury to 6.5 post-injury. This decline in player production was statistically significant when compared to the 146 players in the control group.
Knee pain, stiffness, loss of strength, deconditioning and reduced proprioception (the sense of knowing where your leg is) may be factors explaining the loss of production in players after an ACL injury, the authors theorize. Further, ACL reconstruction does not perfectly recreate the complex anatomy and composition of a person's ACL before injury.
An important note to take into consideration with this study was that prior to their injury the ACL-injured players performed better than the controls did. "High-performance RBs and WRs are more likely to be injured because they compete in more plays per game, carry the ball longer on each play, and attract more defensive attention," the authors say. "The same qualities of RBs and WRs that contribute to high performance -- instantaneous decelerations as well as explosive pivoting and cutting maneuvers -- may increase the risk for ACL injury."
The researchers cite a recent survey of all 31 NFL team physicians who were asked to quantify "what percentage of players return to play in the NFL after ACL reconstruction." Ninety % of team physicians responded "90 to 100%" of players (assuming not borderline talent) return to the NFL. The current study found the number of players who return to play after an ACL injury was actually less, at 79%.
"Most studies report good to excellent results in the majority of ACL reconstructions regardless of technique or patient age, but the professional football player presents unique demands on the reconstructed knee," "Our findings may be useful for athletes, coaches, and team owners in anticipating the future contributions of a player who has injured an ACL."
This study also helps to more objectively put into perspective that while Welker did succeed in his return to the NFL, and in fact contribute another valuable season to Tom Brady and the Patriots of 2010-2011, his determination should be praised; however, that doesn’t mean his quick comeback is plausible for all patients.
http://www.foundrysportsmedicine.co...ble-to-return-from-acl-surgery-sooner-than-me
With the football season upon us once again, I’ve decided to blog about an all-too-common injury we see in competitive athletes and the rehabilitation following surgery. ACL ruptures are usually followed by reconstruction surgery that is then followed by progressive rehabilitation that may last up to 12 months. In the NFL, there is an average of 53 ACL injuries per year. Offensive skill positions, such as running backs & wide receivers, have the highest ACL injury rates. Depending on the extent of injury to these athletes, most players can expect 6-12 months before being cleared by a physician to return to their previous level of play.
If you’re a fan of the New England Patriots, you’ve probably heard of the comeback of receiver Wes Welker from ACL reconstructive surgery very closely. Welker tore his ACL at the end of the 2009-2010 season in January of 2010, and then started Game 1 of the 2010-2011 NFL season in September 2010. In many athletes who experience ACL injury, we often get asked the question how can Wes Welker return to professional football so soon, but I can’t?!?
Welker’s comeback has definitely pushed conventional time limits for his return to the sport. Most people who undergo reconstructive knee surgery can return to athletic activities at six to eight months, but they’re usually not back to their previous level of competition until one year. Keep in mind—we’re not talking about recreational sports; this is the NFL.
Professional athletes take the human body to the limits of what it can do, and so we learn from them. Ultimately, we often want to emulate them, which is why it’s important to put Welker’s comeback into perspective.
We attempt to stress to athletes with ACL injuries that the average pro football player takes 54 weeks to return to play after an ACL injury. When a patient tries to return earlier, they often experience pain and swelling, and are at some level of increased risk of re-injury.
Another thing for athletes to keep in mind is that most NFL players who sustain an injury to their ACL do typically return to play again in the NFL, however a research study from the American Journal of Sports Medicine has shown that most athletes return with diminished performance on the field.
James L. Carey, MD and colleagues from the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, Philadelphia, PA conducted a study that objectively measure an NFL player's performance before and after an ACL injury. (Dr. Carey is now affiliated with Vanderbilt Sports Medicine, Nashville, Tenn.)
The researchers collected data on ACL injuries sustained by NFL running backs (RBs) and wide receivers (WRs) during a five-year period (1998-2002). This data came from NFL game summaries, play-by-play documents, weekly injury reports, and player profiles. The injury group was compared to a control group consisting of all NFL RBs and WRs without an identified ACL injury who played during the 2000 season.
In this study, game performance output in the professional athlete was the measurement used to objectify the data. A "power rating" was assigned for every player in every season, defined as a weighted sum of total yards and touchdowns, likely the most important statistics of RB and WR performance. The power ratings for the 3 seasons prior to ACL injury were compared to the power ratings for the 3 seasons following ACL injury.
Data were analyzed for 31 players with 33 ACL injuries. Of the injured players, 21% (7 of 33 ACL injuries) never returned to play in another regular season NFL game. Of the 795 that did return, most players returned to action 9 to 12 months after an ACL injury.
For those players who returned to NFL action following an ACL injury, performance fell by 1/3. Power rating per game played decreased from 9.9 pre-injury to 6.5 post-injury. This decline in player production was statistically significant when compared to the 146 players in the control group.
Knee pain, stiffness, loss of strength, deconditioning and reduced proprioception (the sense of knowing where your leg is) may be factors explaining the loss of production in players after an ACL injury, the authors theorize. Further, ACL reconstruction does not perfectly recreate the complex anatomy and composition of a person's ACL before injury.
An important note to take into consideration with this study was that prior to their injury the ACL-injured players performed better than the controls did. "High-performance RBs and WRs are more likely to be injured because they compete in more plays per game, carry the ball longer on each play, and attract more defensive attention," the authors say. "The same qualities of RBs and WRs that contribute to high performance -- instantaneous decelerations as well as explosive pivoting and cutting maneuvers -- may increase the risk for ACL injury."
The researchers cite a recent survey of all 31 NFL team physicians who were asked to quantify "what percentage of players return to play in the NFL after ACL reconstruction." Ninety % of team physicians responded "90 to 100%" of players (assuming not borderline talent) return to the NFL. The current study found the number of players who return to play after an ACL injury was actually less, at 79%.
"Most studies report good to excellent results in the majority of ACL reconstructions regardless of technique or patient age, but the professional football player presents unique demands on the reconstructed knee," "Our findings may be useful for athletes, coaches, and team owners in anticipating the future contributions of a player who has injured an ACL."
This study also helps to more objectively put into perspective that while Welker did succeed in his return to the NFL, and in fact contribute another valuable season to Tom Brady and the Patriots of 2010-2011, his determination should be praised; however, that doesn’t mean his quick comeback is plausible for all patients.
http://www.foundrysportsmedicine.co...ble-to-return-from-acl-surgery-sooner-than-me
Who do we add to the active roster at WR to replace Smith ?
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No one that I know of yet. Suspect that will come today.
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Devin Smith @dsmithosu 13h13 hours ago
Just wanted to let everyone know I appreciate the ones who reached out to me. Your thoughts and prayers mean everything! I WILL bounce back!
Just wanted to let everyone know I appreciate the ones who reached out to me. Your thoughts and prayers mean everything! I WILL bounce back!
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Jets' Devin Smith tore ACL vs. Tennessee Titans, so his rough rookie year is over
Andrew Mills | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
on December 14, 2015 at 5:08 PM, updated December 15, 2015 at 11:05 AM
Bowles said he isn't sure when Smith is scheduled to undergo surgery.
PLUS: Jets 30, Titans 8: The good, the bad, and the ugly from an all-around butt kicking
It was a rough rookie year for Smith, who played collegiately at Ohio State. He sustained broken ribs and a punctured lung during training camp's second practice. That cost him the entire preseason, and the first two regular season games. He also missed the Nov. 1 game at the Raiders with an ankle injury.
On Sunday against the Titans, Smith was carted off after injuring his knee while covering a punt.
Smith played in 10 games this season. He was targeted 28 times and had just nine catches for 115 yards and one touchdown. He dropped a would-be 46-yard touchdown pass in the Jets' loss at Houston, on a deep ball.
Smith also fumbled a kickoff against the Bills, who ran it in for a touchdown. That happened a week before his big drop in Houston. The Jets lost both games — by five points to the Bills and seven to the Texans.
Smith entered the NFL with a reputation as a prodigious deep threat, but that never quite materialized this season. Now, his late-season torn ACL means he probably won't be able to participate in any practices next spring.
Though Smith never settled into the No. 3 receiver role the Jets envisioned for him this season, it's far too early to label him a bust. Remember, he missed all that learning and development time in camp, which forced him to play catch-up.
Still, he barely produced in 2015. He had three catches (on nine targets) for 39 yards in his first game, against the Eagles. In his next nine games, he had one catch twice, two catches twice, and zero catches five times.
Even before Smith's ACL tear, it appeared 2015 would mostly be a lost rookie season for him. But lately, Smith had showed the Jets' coaches more progress, said Bowles. They were encouraged by his recent development, and hopeful that he could make a late-season charge as a complementary receiver.
"That's a tough break for him," Bowles said. "He was coming along. He was starting to play faster and finding his place within the offense. But he's a young guy, so hopefully we can get [the surgery] done and he can come back stronger next year. He was grasping everything mentally, and he was playing faster.
Jets report card, as they slam Titans with complete performance
Jets report card, as they slam Titans with complete performance
Grading how the Jets did.
"When you learn more, and you get the mental part of it down, your game starts to play faster. He started playing faster from a route standpoint, from a blocking standpoint, from recognition standpoint. It's unfortunate that this happened, because he was coming around, and he was really going to help us."
Another complementary receiver who was playing less than Smith, Jeremy Kerley, bruised his calf against the Titans, according to Bowles.
With Smith done for the year, and Kerley perhaps out for Saturday night's game at the Cowboys, Bowles said the Jets might sign a receiver. They'll have a roster spot once they place Smith on season-ending injured reserve.
The Jets also have Kenbrell Thompkins and Quincy Enunwa to complement top receivers Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker. If Kerley can't play Saturday, the Jets will be down to just those four receivers, unless they sign somebody.
Jets veteran cornerback Antonio Cromartie sent some positive thoughts Smith's way after hearing about his ACL tear:
ANTONIO CROMARTIE @CRO31 18h18 hours ago
Dang. I pray for speedy recovery @dsmithosu. Man I hate to see my lil bro go down. Stay focus during your recovery.
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/20...ith_has_season-ending.html#incart_river_index
Andrew Mills | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
on December 14, 2015 at 5:08 PM, updated December 15, 2015 at 11:05 AM
Bowles said he isn't sure when Smith is scheduled to undergo surgery.
PLUS: Jets 30, Titans 8: The good, the bad, and the ugly from an all-around butt kicking
It was a rough rookie year for Smith, who played collegiately at Ohio State. He sustained broken ribs and a punctured lung during training camp's second practice. That cost him the entire preseason, and the first two regular season games. He also missed the Nov. 1 game at the Raiders with an ankle injury.
On Sunday against the Titans, Smith was carted off after injuring his knee while covering a punt.
Smith played in 10 games this season. He was targeted 28 times and had just nine catches for 115 yards and one touchdown. He dropped a would-be 46-yard touchdown pass in the Jets' loss at Houston, on a deep ball.
Smith also fumbled a kickoff against the Bills, who ran it in for a touchdown. That happened a week before his big drop in Houston. The Jets lost both games — by five points to the Bills and seven to the Texans.
Smith entered the NFL with a reputation as a prodigious deep threat, but that never quite materialized this season. Now, his late-season torn ACL means he probably won't be able to participate in any practices next spring.
Though Smith never settled into the No. 3 receiver role the Jets envisioned for him this season, it's far too early to label him a bust. Remember, he missed all that learning and development time in camp, which forced him to play catch-up.
Still, he barely produced in 2015. He had three catches (on nine targets) for 39 yards in his first game, against the Eagles. In his next nine games, he had one catch twice, two catches twice, and zero catches five times.
Even before Smith's ACL tear, it appeared 2015 would mostly be a lost rookie season for him. But lately, Smith had showed the Jets' coaches more progress, said Bowles. They were encouraged by his recent development, and hopeful that he could make a late-season charge as a complementary receiver.
"That's a tough break for him," Bowles said. "He was coming along. He was starting to play faster and finding his place within the offense. But he's a young guy, so hopefully we can get [the surgery] done and he can come back stronger next year. He was grasping everything mentally, and he was playing faster.
Jets report card, as they slam Titans with complete performance
Jets report card, as they slam Titans with complete performance
Grading how the Jets did.
"When you learn more, and you get the mental part of it down, your game starts to play faster. He started playing faster from a route standpoint, from a blocking standpoint, from recognition standpoint. It's unfortunate that this happened, because he was coming around, and he was really going to help us."
Another complementary receiver who was playing less than Smith, Jeremy Kerley, bruised his calf against the Titans, according to Bowles.
With Smith done for the year, and Kerley perhaps out for Saturday night's game at the Cowboys, Bowles said the Jets might sign a receiver. They'll have a roster spot once they place Smith on season-ending injured reserve.
The Jets also have Kenbrell Thompkins and Quincy Enunwa to complement top receivers Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker. If Kerley can't play Saturday, the Jets will be down to just those four receivers, unless they sign somebody.
Jets veteran cornerback Antonio Cromartie sent some positive thoughts Smith's way after hearing about his ACL tear:
ANTONIO CROMARTIE @CRO31 18h18 hours ago
Dang. I pray for speedy recovery @dsmithosu. Man I hate to see my lil bro go down. Stay focus during your recovery.
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/20...ith_has_season-ending.html#incart_river_index
The guy is going to have to hope his surgery goes well and then work very hard on rehab.
Could be that watching games will help him too. If he keeps 95% of his speed, he is still very fast - needs to add to the speed with the rest of the abilities that matter
Could be that watching games will help him too. If he keeps 95% of his speed, he is still very fast - needs to add to the speed with the rest of the abilities that matter
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Smith is fast for a normal person wise, he's not really that fast WR/DB wise. Enunwa is faster then Smith.
In all honesty I don't remember Smith out running any of Fitz's throws. Mostly what I remember about Smith is running the wrong pattern. Which he did against the Titans in the end zone probably costing a TD. He went right up the middle, was open, and stopped. Ball fell into an empty spot in the end zone where Smith should have been if he kept running. Fitz ran up to him after the play, patted him on the helmet, and said keep running.
Edit: Just checked Enunwa ran a 4.44 40 time at the combine, Smith ran a 4.42
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