How far away are we from our second ring?

[mykcuz]

Last year Kansas city won out to make the playoffs, and twice mediocre giants teams went from struggling at. 500 to beating tough patriot teams.

Of course we need a competent qb, just like every team. But as a team, what exactly do we need to make the leap?

My personal feelings are that we need 2 real edge rushers. Our d line is great, but having an embarrassment of interior linemen is not proving disruptive.

I think our lb core will be fine with further development, but our weak spot has to be cb. I think we need 2 secondary players who are better than Revis. Or,turn Revis into into a free safety, and get 2 legit corners. We need smart talent defending wrs, and pressure on the qb.

I think on offense, getting a high draft pick on the line is a minimum. first or second rounder.

I'd like to have a big pass catching body at te, but they are dwindling overall. If we can straighten Jenkins out, it would save previous resources elsewhere.

I think we have enough talent at wr. This year losing Decker hurts, but if his hip needed surgery 4 years ago,he should be better next year. Pairing him with Marshall is hard to defend, especially with the emergence of enunwa. I see a bright future as the young kids develop and get reps. We just need 1 to step up next year.

Rb has proven to be an easy position to fill. We have Forte for 3 years, Powell is a great role player. Our ceiling isn't high at the position, but the floor is high too. Finding a young guy to enter the mix is a low priority, but has big potential to affect the offense.

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[lounap23]

A franchise QB away..

Offensively we have the pieces but not at QB

Defensively we are good enough.....

No QB NO RING..... So we could be a year or two or a Decade.

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

I honestly don't think we are anywhere close, but with that said, getting a franchise QB changes everything instantly, and being as bad as possible actually makes it easier to get that franchise QB. So I guess I feel like we are closer to bottoming out, getting a high draft pick, picking the right QB for the future, and winning that way ... and I really don't think our coaching staff is good, at all, so that doesn't help.

 

[mykcuz]

A franchise QB away..

Offensively we have the pieces but not at QB

Defensively we are good enough.....

No QB NO RING..... So we could be a year or two or a Decade.

I kinda meant that a franchise qb was assumed,as it is for every team.
Do you think Matt Stafford or Matt Ryan would make us a Super Bowl team?

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[lounap23]

I honestly don't think we are anywhere close, but with that said, getting a franchise QB changes everything instantly, and being as bad as possible actually makes it easier to get that franchise QB. So I guess I feel like we are closer to bottoming out, getting a high draft pick, picking the right QB for the future, and winning that way ... and I really don't think our coaching staff is good, at all, so that doesn't help.

There is no right QB in this draft.... Watson, Kizer, Kaya, Trubinsky etc..... are all a roll of the dice like Hack and Petty.... If there was an Andrew Luck in this draft then by all means lets get that pick but no....

 

[mykcuz]

I honestly don't think we are anywhere close, but with that said, getting a franchise QB changes everything instantly, and being as bad as possible actually makes it easier to get that franchise QB. So I guess I feel like we are closer to bottoming out, getting a high draft pick, picking the right QB for the future, and winning that way ... and I really don't think our coaching staff is good, at all, so that doesn't help.

Active Franchise QB's have been drafted in every round, so bombing a season doesn't automatically get you a franchise qb. If a guy like Andrew luck is at the top of the draft, yea I wanna pick first. If not, the number 1 pick is valuable in a trade to maybe get 2 or 3 starters instead of 1. We have a lot of holes to fill.

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[JohnnyBaseball1]

There is no right QB in this draft.... Watson, Kizer, Kaya, Trubinsky etc..... are all a roll of the dice like Hack and Petty.... If there was an Andrew Luck in this draft then by all means lets get that pick but no....

Yeah, we could never have the kind of Luck the Colts had, to be awful in the one year that it really mattered. That goes without saying! But in an ideal world, I think that would be our best chance to actually win a Super Bowl.

Here's a question to ponder: Is there some point where, if you offered enough, a team would trade a franchise QB? Like, several years worth of draft picks? I don't know if that is even allowed, but would it be worth it? Could you recoup picks by getting a franchise QB, and having that player make his receivers look better, and then trading the receivers? It is a crazy thought, I know. But I guess the real question is what is the value of a franchise QB to a team?

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

Active Franchise QB's have been drafted in every round, so bombing a season doesn't automatically get you a franchise qb. If a guy like Andrew luck is at the top of the draft, yea I wanna pick first. If not, the number 1 pick is valuable in a trade to maybe get 2 or 3 starters instead of 1. We have a lot of holes to fill.

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I think that picking at the top of the draft gives you a better chance to get one, but I hear ya. I just feel like we will never truly compete until we have that player. Because I think the rules really favor passing and QBs in particular, and we have never had the personnel to take advantage of that shift. And we are seeing that just having good receivers isn't enough to take advantage of the new rules.

Mostly though, I just want to scream into the night "I WANT A QUARTERBACK!" ... I feel a deep frustration that we can just never find the right guy! As I know everyone here does too.

 

[mykcuz]

I think that picking at the top of the draft gives you a better chance to get one, but I hear ya. I just feel like we will never truly compete until we have that player. Because I think the rules really favor passing and QBs in particular, and we have never had the personnel to take advantage of that shift. And we are seeing that just having good receivers isn't enough to take advantage of the new rules.

Mostly though, I just want to scream into the night "I WANT A QUARTERBACK!" ... I feel a deep frustration that we can just never find the right guy! As I know everyone here does too.

Well we had Sanchez and geno sobbing it up and the cry was, they can't succeed without receivers to throw to.

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[lounap23]

I kinda meant that a franchise qb was assumed,as it is for every team.
Do you think Matt Stafford or Matt Ryan would make us a Super Bowl team?

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If we had either one of those 2 guys we are 5-2 or 6-1 with the defensive unit rounding into shape... Yes we would be one of the top 3 teams in the AFC

 

[mykcuz]

If we had either one of those 2 guys we are 5-2 or 6-1 with the defensive unit rounding into shape... Yes we would be one of the top 3 teams in the AFC

So a top 10 qb is all we need?

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[JohnnyBaseball1]

Well we had Sanchez and geno sobbing it up and the cry was, they can't succeed without receivers to throw to.

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LOL, yeah, THEY couldn't!

 

[lounap23]

Yeah, we could never have the kind of Luck the Colts had, to be awful in the one year that it really mattered. That goes without saying! But in an ideal world, I think that would be our best chance to actually win a Super Bowl.

Here's a question to ponder: Is there some point where, if you offered enough, a team would trade a franchise QB? Like, several years worth of draft picks? I don't know if that is even allowed, but would it be worth it? Could you recoup picks by getting a franchise QB, and having that player make his receivers look better, and then trading the receivers? It is a crazy thought, I know. But I guess the real question is what is the value of a franchise QB to a team?

No you can't ship a boatload of draft pics for 1 player... Youlose a drafts worth of picks you better be either A: the youngest team in the NFL with talented, performing well players or B: Hit homeruns on every pick in the draft before and the draft after... Odds of either are slim to none.

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

No you can't ship a boatload of draft pics for 1 player... Youlose a drafts worth of picks you better be either A: the youngest team in the NFL with talented, performing well players or B: Hit homeruns on every pick in the draft before and the draft after... Odds of either are slim to none.

But why? The life of a franchise QB is pretty long. If 2005 Tom Brady could be had for a year or two worth of draft picks, couldn't that be worth doing, even if it meant we would be terrible for a few years? Again, I know this would never happen. The best thing to do is draft a good QB without having to give up years worth of draft picks. I'm just wondering, what is the real value of this player? In a theoretical world, would you give up one or two or three full drafts for a franchise QB? Do you think a team would trade a franchise QB if you offered them that? If not, then a franchise QB must be really quite valuable. At the very least, doing it this way would allow you to get someone that you KNOW is a franchise QB. You give up a lot but you get the kind of certainty the draft doesn't give you.

Again, I'm not saying we should do this. I just thought it's a way different approach but interesting to think about.

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

And lets be honest, half the picks we make are wasted anyway, and amount to nothing. So that has to factor in, too, right?

 

[mykcuz]

Yeah, we could never have the kind of Luck the Colts had, to be awful in the one year that it really mattered. That goes without saying! But in an ideal world, I think that would be our best chance to actually win a Super Bowl.

Here's a question to ponder: Is there some point where, if you offered enough, a team would trade a franchise QB? Like, several years worth of draft picks? I don't know if that is even allowed, but would it be worth it? Could you recoup picks by getting a franchise QB, and having that player make his receivers look better, and then trading the receivers? It is a crazy thought, I know. But I guess the real question is what is the value of a franchise QB to a team?

First off, terrible idea. If that qb gets hurt,you can't rebuild for 5 years.

Second, if the guy is your franchise qb for 5 plus years, why would any other team trade him? For a draft pick and the hope that they find something they already have?

Do you think the Patriots would have traded Brady, in his prime, to the Browns for 5 draft picks? No way.

The reality is,franchise QB's don't hit free agency, and they really don't get traded. You need to draft your own or pick up a project.

Drew Brees was thought to be a lost cause in San Diego, what idiots.

And Eli Manning refused to play for San Diego, otherwise nobody is really moving QB's.

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[lounap23]

So a top 10 qb is all we need?

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If the defense is schemed properly. Yes.

Stafford and Ryan are more like top 5 righ not... Top 5 yes we are a Super Bowl Contending team... Top-5-15 we are in the playoffs....

The defense when we play 3-4 all the time like last week is top 15 not bottom 10

If we had a QB that can play as mistake free as Ryan and Stafford have and are as accurate as those guys are. This team has the talent to be there QB and I believe defensive scheme this year has been the reason for 5 losses..... Mostly the QB play.. Better Defensive scheme and we win one of the Cincy or Pittsburgh games if not both. QB is the reason for the losses in KC, AZ, and Seattle, We win 2 of those 3 easy with Better QB play... The QB position is singualarly the most important position in any sport.. Indianapolis is the perfect example of that only lossing season since in the last 14-15 seasons was 2011 the year that affrorded them to pick Luck...

 

[Bigmoe]

I'd say about this close

 

[gastineau]

I'd say about this close
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HAHAHA! Well I'm just happy I've seen the 1 & only Jets Super Bowl. Rate we are going & not able to Draft a Top QB since 1965 Namath, I would guess Jets GM in 40 more years untill the Dart hits the right QB name to Draft & win a Super Bowl.

 

[gastineau]

If the Jets hadnt beat the Raiders to get to SB 3 I would be a Raider fan right now ,lol. Those were my fav. 2 AFL teams then & was impressed by Jets beating the Colts that was like an All Star team on Offense & Defense. Colts only had 1 loss to Browns that year & in Playoff Colts completely destroyed the Browns. Thats why Colts was favored by 2 TDs. Colts was scared of Namaths arm & Maynard. Who thought the Jets Defense would step up & Namath wouldnt go pass happy but instead Jets 2 RB's running the ball down the Colts throat! Incredible game completely opposite of what everyone thought.