How Hackenberg progressed while getting scout team reps with Bryce Petty out

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FLORHAM PARK — Bryce Petty, the Jets' second-year, third-string quarterback, returned to full practice participation Thursday.

Before that, and since Petty's shoulder injury near the end of the preseason, rookie Christian Hackenberg had received a lot of scout team reps — a beneficial experience for Hackenberg, who is a project player.

Hackenberg and backup Geno Smith shared scout team reps while Petty was sidelined. But Smith also got reps with the starters, in case something happened to No. 1 quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Now, Petty and Hackenberg will share scout team reps.

Hackenberg didn't get a lot of practice reps during the preseason, so playing frequently with the scout team during this stretch really helped him.

The Jets will enter this offseason with Petty and Hackenberg as their only quarterbacks guaranteed to be under contract for 2017, so they need them to progress. And in the preseason, Hackenberg looked like he had a long way to go before he would be ready to play in an NFL game.

"I think it's good just to be able to get in the flow of practice and actually do it," Hackenberg told NJ Advance Media. "You can only do so much seeing and watching. That's been the coolest part, is being able to take the things I've learned in the film room and try to apply them."

The obvious issue with running scout team plays is that Hackenberg isn't executing the Jets' offense. Rather, he is mimicking the opponent's offense against the Jets' first-team defense. Still, this is valuable learning time for him.
"I think any rep against a live defense has been really good," Hackenberg said. "It's helped me and I think it's going to continue to help me."

The scout team experience has at least let Hackenberg get more work reading a defense, based on the coverage scenario.
"I think it's just seeing the big picture, seeing the defense, understanding the timing of it and where to go," he said. "If you can process that, whether it's complete or not, I think that's a win for me."

Offensive coordinator Chan Gailey has said he doesn't want to perhaps overhaul Hackenberg's mechanics until the offseason. And Hackenberg said that's something the coaches haven't worked with him on just yet.

But during the season, Hackenberg said, "we tweak little things."

He sits down once a week with quarterbacks coach Kevin Patullo, and they talk about mechanical tweaks.

"Just try something different," Hackenberg said. "Obviously, you're doing something right to get here. So making a drastic change is hard, especially if you've been doing it for as long as a lot of us have. It's just really trying to find the little things that work. Kevin and I kind of bounce ideas off of each other."

Hackenberg knows he must do a lot of work himself in the offseason, when he plans to again work with quarterbacks coach Jordan Palmer, the younger brother of Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer, whom the Jets will face Monday.

In the meantime, Hackenberg is taking mental notes on his mechanical errors in practice, and filing them away for the offseason. The goal, said Hackenberg, is to "have a really good plan going into this offseason."

It will be a critical juncture in his NFL career, after a rookie year spent as a practice player.

Darryl Slater may be reached at dslater@njadvancemedia.com. Follow him on Twitter @DarrylSlater. Find NJ.com Jets on Facebook.
 

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Thing that strikes me the most is how they have yet to work on his mechanics. I know that they are busy with the current year but they should have a coach strictly working with Hackenberg each and every week.
 

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Thing that strikes me the most is how they have yet to work on his mechanics. I know that they are busy with the current year but they should have a coach strictly working with Hackenberg each and every week.
you/i would think..

in fairness, i do remember the jets coaching staff said the plan all along was to work on hackenberg's mechanics next season..

from what i remember, they didn't want to overload hackenberg's adjustment to the NFL by overhauling his mechanics in year one..
 

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you/i would think..

in fairness, i do remember the jets coaching staff said the plan all along was to work on hackenberg's mechanics next season..

from what i remember, they didn't want to overload hackenberg's adjustment to the NFL by overhauling his mechanics in year one..

at least they have a plan. My only concern with that approach is that he is still doing the bad things. It'll make it harder to undo them but obviously they know more than me
 

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they will work on his mechanics in the off season...

right now figure with him running the scout team against a very talented defensive will build his confidence, pocket poise while giving him some tape to fix his footwork which is all needed to help his accuracy... then in the off season they work on his overall body of work, same thing they did with Petty last year and remember rookie off season to this past off season Petty made strides, so don't worry about it Patullo has this covered...

the best thing right now is Petty got back in rotation... Hack has a long road, but he is in only stage 1 of many...
 

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you/i would think..

in fairness, i do remember the jets coaching staff said the plan all along was to work on hackenberg's mechanics next season..

from what i remember, they didn't want to overload hackenberg's adjustment to the NFL by overhauling his mechanics in year one..

they said off season...
 

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Here is the thing that gets me and I wonder how do they get it so wrong for so damn long? I'll try to explain this so that I don't offend or upset anyone. They draft Hack in the second, which means they obviously had him ranked higher then Dak or Cody Kessler. However; these two guys are playing and Dak is playing very well, Cody is playing decent but Hack isn't even ready to take team reps yet? WTF???!!! I know these guys have started strictly because of injuries but Dak looked flawless from the moment he stepped in the building. I'm guessing Cody wasn't half bad either to atleast have made third string.

Hack couldn't even do that. Now I know and others have said it, every team has their own scheme and style of QB. So maybe that is strictly it and if so I'll bite to a certain extent. However; you can't tell me that just in a overall QB ranking, they had Hack ranked over Dak? If so, their idiots!!! Now once again I'll say if they had Hack ranked higher then Dak because they felt he fit their style of play better then ok to a certain extent but DAMN!!! I just don't get how the Jets continue to get this QB draft thing wrong for years now. Year after year after year after year after year and they just keep doing it. Come on front office. Do better dammit!

Note: I'm also asking how can they have a strictly project player ranked higher then players that are playing the same exact position and were drafted 2-3 rounds behind him?
 
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[MENTION=81]jets82[/MENTION] have to look at the entire front office and coaching staff... do we really want to throw Hack in with Gailey who is known for playing aggressive, he would get Hack killed out there especially our offensive line the past few years have been patched -- slightly above average unit...

as for the Cowboys they did it right they built their offensive line which not over night became one of and probably the best in the league... to put a rookie behind an o-line like that makes it easy to bring along a young one in this league...

now Kessler has Hue Jackson a quarterback guru that is able to put his guy in winning situations all the time even tho they don't execute at a high rate he is not placing him in dangerous situations...

now for Hack over Dak is not true... the Jets had Dak high on their board but that indiscretion prior to the draft basically put the Jets front office in a tough spot trying to rebuild a team that has been on the fence with Rex & company for a couple years... guarantee if Dak didn't get that DUI he would of been taken by us probably where Hack was taken... Not saying Hackenberg doesn't have that it factor because I believe he can grow into something but will take some time for him to progress (maybe another full season or two at most)... look at how far Petty came along from last season (rookie year), confidence and pocket poise there was a significant improvement so given the chance have to believe QB Coach Patullo will help Hack develop... the way Petty has improved, next season he could be ready to take the reigns who knows we may need him sooner than next year but with the right game plan in place he could do well...
 

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[MENTION=81]jets82[/MENTION] have to look at the entire front office and coaching staff... do we really want to throw Hack in with Gailey who is known for playing aggressive, he would get Hack killed out there especially our offensive line the past few years have been patched -- slightly above average unit...

as for the Cowboys they did it right they built their offensive line which not over night became one of and probably the best in the league... to put a rookie behind an o-line like that makes it easy to bring along a young one in this league...

now Kessler has Hue Jackson a quarterback guru that is able to put his guy in winning situations all the time even tho they don't execute at a high rate he is not placing him in dangerous situations...

now for Hack over Dak is not true... the Jets had Dak high on their board but that indiscretion prior to the draft basically put the Jets front office in a tough spot trying to rebuild a team that has been on the fence with Rex & company for a couple years... guarantee if Dak didn't get that DUI he would of been taken by us probably where Hack was taken... Not saying Hackenberg doesn't have that it factor because I believe he can grow into something but will take some time for him to progress (maybe another full season or two at most)... look at how far Petty came along from last season (rookie year), confidence and pocket poise there was a significant improvement so given the chance have to believe QB Coach Patullo will help Hack develop... the way Petty has improved, next season he could be ready to take the reigns who knows we may need him sooner than next year but with the right game plan in place he could do well...
Hope your right about Hack and that makes since about Dak. I guess sometimes you gotta be willing to take that chance to find that diamond and it might just work out. Then again it may not like what the Cowboys have done with some of their other drafts over the past few years. Same with us!
 

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Gotta be honest here.

Hackenberg had absolutley no practice time with the ones or the twos. He was fourth on the depth chart and rightfully so. This organization failed twice in the last 6-9 years in developing a young QB the wrong way (sanchez/Smith).

Hack looked great in his first drive and the most of us here had him as an instant hall of famer after watching that amazing display. Then the true colors of not getting the appropriate reps came out in the final game when he was placed with the 3rd and 4rth stringers. But even Tom Brady would look human with that crew.

Dak had the luxury of learning from Romo in OTA's and training camp. He played with the 1st teammers. I'am not taking any thing away from Presscott in whom i liked alot coming out of College. Though lets place everything into its proper perspective. Would Dak have strived with that O-Line that protected Hack with limited practice time? We all would probably be saying the reverse if Dallas chose Hack and he'd be playing right now at the level Prescott is playing.

All i'am saying is simple:
Let the Jets develop the youngsters at the most important position. It seems like they are doing something right. Petty looked like a completely different QB this pre season than in '15. Imagine how much more with Hackenberg who is projected to be even that much more talented than Bryce.
 

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Gotta be honest here.

Hackenberg had absolutley no practice time with the ones or the twos. He was fourth on the depth chart and rightfully so. This organization failed twice in the last 6-9 years in developing a young QB the wrong way (sanchez/Smith).

Hack looked great in his first drive and the most of us here had him as an instant hall of famer after watching that amazing display. Then the true colors of not getting the appropriate reps came out in the final game when he was placed with the 3rd and 4rth stringers. But even Tom Brady would look human with that crew.

Dak had the luxury of learning from Romo in OTA's and training camp. He played with the 1st teammers. I'am not taking any thing away from Presscott in whom i liked alot coming out of College. Though lets place everything into its proper perspective. Would Dak have strived with that O-Line that protected Hack with limited practice time? We all would probably be saying the reverse if Dallas chose Hack and he'd be playing right now at the level Prescott is playing.

All i'am saying is simple:
Let the Jets develop the youngsters at the most important position. It seems like they are doing something right. Petty looked like a completely different QB this pre season than in '15. Imagine how much more with Hackenberg who is projected to be even that much more talented than Bryce.

I think you have it right. Let these two (Petty and Hack) develop at their own pace, not at the pace the fan base demands. Hopefully Mack gets the OLine fixed, and we have a defense that is not putting pressure on a young QB to win the game with his arm. Oh, and a decent ground game as well.
As far as the mechanics with Hack goes, why couldn't we bring in a QB mechanics guru, if their is such a thing, and let him have the entire season and offseason to get them right. As important as the QB position is, why not spend a couple of hundred grand on a coach and some PS players to run routes and catch balls. A head start wouldn't be a bad thing in my mind. Its not like he is going to play this year, unless we have 3 QBs go down with injury. The chances of that are slim to none.
 

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Hack is a HUGE Project, 4 years in College & he was regressing worse & worse. Jets Drafting him as a NFL QB that regressed at College level for 4 years to a far tougher league & expect him to achieve NFL level isnt good odds. College QB must be very accurate passer because at NFL level only the best college CB's in last ten years are in NFL, unlike College where he might have face 1 or 2 good CB's a season to now face them every week. I just feel Hack is too big of a project & time & money to make him a average QB. AQt best 3-4 years just to see if he can even play at NFL level is a lot of time & money. There was better QB's that were better developed & not regressing in 4 years of p-lay. Sorry I dont like picks at QB that wasnt accurate passer & regressing in play for entire college career.
 

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Oh, so they still have to "overhaul his mechanics"?
Weren't we told when they drafted him that he was once a potential #1 pick, and that he was just held back the past two years because of a change in college system?
Now its mechanics that just don't have to be fine tuned, but OVERHAULED?
And, I'm beginning to get the impression that no matter who is the coach will be, that coach won't be able to make chicken salad out of chicken s**t.

So. this was a wasted year, and they're treading water until they can waste another high draft pick on another quarterback.

Later
 

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Remember Dan Marino was a 57 percent completion rate at Pitt for his career. and look what he did as a pro.

Lets see how Hack pans out before we start crucifying this regime on not knowing that Dak was going to become this good. PLUS, had we drafted Prescott, he'd be riding the pine just like Hack would be right now.

One good thing about Maccagnan is that he has a plan for the young QBs. He knows he needs one desperately in order to be successful and leave his mark here in the big apple. So far, we haven't had a GM that places an emphasis on patience on grooming a young QB. Multiple ones for that matter.

Hell, i wouldn't be surprised if we draft another one next season.
 

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I think you have it right. Let these two (Petty and Hack) develop at their own pace, not at the pace the fan base demands.
The way it looks now Fitz and Geno are not Jets in 2017, so if Petty (or Hackenburg??) is not ready to play next year Petty is probably a goner.
 
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you/i would think..

in fairness, i do remember the jets coaching staff said the plan all along was to work on hackenberg's mechanics next season..

from what i remember, they didn't want to overload hackenberg's adjustment to the NFL by overhauling his mechanics in year one..

IMO that's the sign of a bad CS. Mechanics to me should be the first thing they worked on with him. Neglecting that tells me that the CS does not have their priorities straight.
 

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Here is the thing that gets me and I wonder how do they get it so wrong for so damn long? I'll try to explain this so that I don't offend or upset anyone. They draft Hack in the second, which means they obviously had him ranked higher then Dak or Cody Kessler. However; these two guys are playing and Dak is playing very well, Cody is playing decent but Hack isn't even ready to take team reps yet? WTF???!!! I know these guys have started strictly because of injuries but Dak looked flawless from the moment he stepped in the building. I'm guessing Cody wasn't half bad either to atleast have made third string.

Hack couldn't even do that. Now I know and others have said it, every team has their own scheme and style of QB. So maybe that is strictly it and if so I'll bite to a certain extent. However; you can't tell me that just in a overall QB ranking, they had Hack ranked over Dak? If so, their idiots!!! Now once again I'll say if they had Hack ranked higher then Dak because they felt he fit their style of play better then ok to a certain extent but DAMN!!! I just don't get how the Jets continue to get this QB draft thing wrong for years now. Year after year after year after year after year and they just keep doing it. Come on front office. Do better dammit!

Note: I'm also asking how can they have a strictly project player ranked higher then players that are playing the same exact position and were drafted 2-3 rounds behind him?

I'm quite sure Dak is/has exceeded the expectation of even the Cowboys as well as every other team. Dallas drafted him in the fourth round, with their second fourth round pick. It's been said drafting isn't an exact science, that's why the Kurt Warners, Tony Romos, Russell Wilsons,Tom Bradys, Joe Montanas of the league are such great stories.
As far as Kessler is concerned, i'm sure Hackenberg could lead the Jets to an 0-6 record or however many games he's started and played. What about Goff? He was numero uno and is third string. Paxton Lynch has played decent and terrible.We shall see, eventually, what the Jets have in both Petty and Hackenberg and maybe one of them will be the answer to the Jets franchise QB quest. Lord knows we fans have been waiting long enough.
 

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Let's be real here people, were all or most of us are going off ifs, woulda and couldas but the one thing you can't deny is what your eyes show and tell you. Dak is killing it out there (in a good way). Hack isn't even getting practice reps. That's telling enough and that is what our eyes are showing us. So we can't say if Hack was with the Cowboys he'd be doing what Dak is now and if Dak was with us, he'd be where Hack is now. Our eyes show and tell us that Dak is playing and playing great football. So our eyes should tell us that if Dak was a Jet, he would be playing and most likely a lot playing better then then F-ints-Patrick. Dak is a rookie and already better then Fitz and Fitz is a 11-12 year vet. Hack can't even make third string. This is what our eyes are telling and showing us and it's true. Facts is facts!

As Herman Edwards always says, listen to what your eyes tell you and what they they should be telling us that Dak is a beast and probably will end up being a great player, Hack might probably end up being a bust to average QB at best and Fitz is garage to average at best.
 
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