If Mariota Slips to 6, Jets Should Take Him In NY Minute

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If Marcus Mariota slips to 6, the Jets should take him in a NY minute

February, 19, 2015
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By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com





INDIANAPOLIS -- Let's make it easy for New York Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan: If Marcus Mariota is available with the sixth pick, take him. There's no need to over-think this. The Jets are desperate for a quarterback, and Mariota is a top quarterback prospect. Simple.

Don't look a gift Duck in the mouth.

"If he falls to the Jets, I'd be sending the card up to the commissioner in two seconds," said ESPN analyst Mark Dominik, formerly the general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

There is a lot of chatter here at the NFL scouting combine about Mariota's background in Oregon's uptempo spread offense and whether that will somehow prevent him thriving in a pro-style system. Obviously, it's not an ideal situation. But guess what? Neither is the Jets' current quarterback depth chart. In case you haven't noticed, Geno Smith isn't the long-term answer. If they pass on Mariota, they could be staring into the quarterback abyss for another few years.




Marcus Mariota was true to his laid-back persona at the combine on Thursday.Mariota might not be a plug-and-play prospect, a la Andrew Luck, but he has the arm, the legs and the brain to succeed in the NFL. With a new regime, the Jets can afford to be patient, allowing Mariota the time to learn the nuances of Chan Gailey's offense.

Maccagnan admitted there's an element of uncertainty with a player like Mariota because they haven't seen him perform certain functions that will be required in the NFL -- taking a snap under center, executing routine dropbacks and reading progressions. In cases like this, Maccagnan studies the prospect's intangibles -- his intelligence and work ethic -- trying to determine if he has the goods to make the transition.

"It's dangerous to start putting Marcus in a box as a spread quarterback who won't be able to make the jump and project to a pro-style offense," said former Philadelphia Eagles personnel director Louis Riddick, an ESPN analyst. "You have to watch him very closely and watch some of the things they asked him to do, especially as the year went on in Oregon."

Riddick gave an insightful explanation on how Mariota evolved last season, displaying NFL-type traits within the structure of the Ducks' offense.

"If you watch the national-championship game, even though they're always in the gun, it wasn't catch the ball, take a step and throw it," he said. "It was catch the ball, and he would actually do an abbreviated, three-step drop.

"Watch him scan the field. Watch how he's going through progressions -- one, two, three, sometimes even four. The route concepts even started becoming much more complicated as the year went on. They weren't just typical spread route concepts. There were things you see on Sundays in the NFL.


"The easy way out is to say, 'It's an easy spread offense that Bryce Petty runs down at Baylor.' It's nothing like what Baylor does. Nothing. Marcus would be a better third-down passer than RG III ever was -- ever. They're totally different in my view. He's going to need some time. It's not going to be like Jameis [Winston], who is running a pro-style offense. Marcus is going to need a good coach who will teach it to him in an orderly fashion, but he's more than capable of handling it."

Eagles coach Chip Kelly, who coached Mariota at Oregon, has said his former pupil has Peyton Manning-like intelligence on the field. This explains why he's reportedly is hot to trade up for Mariota. He has the power to shop for the Eagles' groceries, thanks to a recent shake up in the organization, so you can't rule out the possibility of him trying to trade up from 20th to sixth. Unless the Eagles offer a ridiculous package -- it would have to be their first-round pick this year and next year, plus Nick Foles, just to get the conversation started -- the Jets should say, "Thanks, but no thanks."

You take Mariota and build a potential franchise quarterback.

"He's that good," Dominik said.

Because of supply and demand at quarterback, there's always a chance Mariota could be picked in the top five. If Winston goes first to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, don't be surprised if the Tennessee Titans hold an auction for the second pick, trying to attract Mariota-seeking teams. If that happens, the Jets would have to take their commitment to a different level, and that could be prohibitive. But if he's there at six, it's a no-brainer.
 
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Have to say I agree.

Unless the Eagles come up with 2 1st, 2 seconds, and Foles, (not going to happen) I take him
 

Superman55

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Have to say I agree.

Unless the Eagles come up with 2 1st, 2 seconds, and Foles, (not going to happen) I take him

To me, it comes down to which QB Gailey prefers. If he evaluates Mariota vs Foles long term success in his system, I want that guy. If he thinks he can mold Mariota a year on the bench and have him ready in year 2 to take the reigns and that's a better long term fit than Foles, I go get him #2 . If he feels Foles, maybe you work out a predraft trade with the Eagles to get them more picks in their attempts to move where they need to move in the draft. Hey, if Gaily LOVES Foles fit, why isn't that worth a second rd pick? He feels he's a franchise QB, I'd move a #2 for that.
 

jets82

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Have to say I agree.

Unless the Eagles come up with 2 1st, 2 seconds, and Foles, (not going to happen) I take him
+2. If phila offers this deal then no brainer, if not then go with Mariota. He just might turn out to be our franchise guy but don't trade up for him or winston.
 

Jet Fan RI

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Have to say I agree.

Unless the Eagles come up with 2 1st, 2 seconds, and Foles, (not going to happen) I take him

OK, let the disagreement begin. I say, 100% no. The only Heisman QB winners who have succeeded in the NFL are Staubach and Plunkett. So, taking a Heisman QB winner is a virtual guarantee of picking a bust. And how long did Plunkett take to become a winner? Ten years? And with a different team than the one who picked him? Would you feel vindicated if 10 years after the Jets picked Mariotta, he wins a SB with the Raiders? The only Heisman QB winner who succeeded from the start is Staubach. Not worth the risk that Mariotta is another Staubach, in my judgment. I say stick with Geno, use our picks to shore up all the other holes in the team, and hope there is a journeyman QB available to compete with Geno.
 

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OK, let the disagreement begin. I say, 100% no. The only Heisman QB winners who have succeeded in the NFL are Staubach and Plunkett. So, taking a Heisman QB winner is a virtual guarantee of picking a bust. And how long did Plunkett take to become a winner? Ten years? And with a different team than the one who picked him? Would you feel vindicated if 10 years after the Jets picked Mariotta, he wins a SB with the Raiders? The only Heisman QB winner who succeeded from the start is Staubach. Not worth the risk that Mariotta is another Staubach, in my judgment. I say stick with Geno, use our picks to shore up all the other holes in the team, and hope there is a journeyman QB available to compete with Geno.
mariota might wash out as an NFL QB but IMO not because he won the heisman trophy.. i just can't put much if any stock in that..

if chip & the eagles want to give the jets the sky & the moon then i would be more inclined to pass on mariota.. not because he's destined to flop in the pros because of am award he won in college..
 
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When you get the opportunity to draft an elite franchise QB, do not pass it up AGAIN and end up with another decade of K O Brien
 

Jet Fan RI

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mariota might wash out as an NFL QB but IMO not because he won the heisman trophy.. i just can't put much if any stock in that..

if chip & the eagles want to give the jets the sky & the moon then i would be more inclined to pass on mariota.. not because he's destined to flop in the pros because of am award he won in college..

I think getting a few extra picks would be enough. If they don't bite on that, let Mariotta slip to 7, just like the 1st 5 teams let him slip to 6, and shore up some other weak position with the pick.
 

Jet Fan RI

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When you get the opportunity to draft an elite franchise QB, do not pass it up AGAIN and end up with another decade of K O Brien

Unfortunately, Mariotta is no such opportunity. Let's find our Rodgers, Marino, Montana, Flacco, etc, etc, at some other pick, forgetting about the Heisman QB garbage at 6.
 
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To me, it comes down to which QB Gailey prefers. If he evaluates Mariota vs Foles long term success in his system, I want that guy. If he thinks he can mold Mariota a year on the bench and have him ready in year 2 to take the reigns and that's a better long term fit than Foles, I go get him #2 . If he feels Foles, maybe you work out a predraft trade with the Eagles to get them more picks in their attempts to move where they need to move in the draft. Hey, if Gaily LOVES Foles fit, why isn't that worth a second rd pick? He feels he's a franchise QB, I'd move a #2 for that.


If your saying Gaily gets the call here, I agree. That's why he's here
 
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I think getting a few extra picks would be enough. If they don't bite on that, let Mariotta slip to 7, just like the 1st 5 teams let him slip to 6, and shore up some other weak position with the pick.


I've seen the Jets get some excellent players in the first round. Some recently. Big Mo, Richardson, Revis. Many more down the years. None of them has brought the Jets a Super Bowl.

I haven't seen them get an excellent QB in the first round since Namath. He got a Super Bowl.

It's not often the Jets get with in striking distance of a really good QB. When they do, they always seem to pass. No way is Mariota a sure fire franchise QB, but the kid has some of the ear marks of one. If he's there I really hope the Jets take him
 

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I agree with taking Mariota. A trade is tempting, but the opportunity to draft a potential franchise QB is too great to pass on. If the Jets feel that he can be great, and be great in any system, then they must pick him.

It would be a gift for him to be there at 6.
 
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Unfortunately, Mariotta is no such opportunity. Let's find our Rodgers, Marino, Montana, Flacco, etc, etc, at some other pick, forgetting about the Heisman QB garbage at 6.
Disagree

I think Mariota will be an elite NFL QB for the team that drafts him. I hope he falls to 6 and he becomes that elite NFL QB for the Jets.
 

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OK, let the disagreement begin. I say, 100% no. The only Heisman QB winners who have succeeded in the NFL are Staubach and Plunkett. So, taking a Heisman QB winner is a virtual guarantee of picking a bust. And how long did Plunkett take to become a winner? Ten years? And with a different team than the one who picked him? Would you feel vindicated if 10 years after the Jets picked Mariotta, he wins a SB with the Raiders? The only Heisman QB winner who succeeded from the start is Staubach. Not worth the risk that Mariotta is another Staubach, in my judgment. I say stick with Geno, use our picks to shore up all the other holes in the team, and hope there is a journeyman QB available to compete with Geno.



that heisman analysis is pretty silly. it's partially a reflection of the competition that year in college. in most year's peyton manning would have won a heisman his senior year, but didn't because of an unworldly year from my man - charles woodson. andrew luck finished 2nd twice - once behind cam newton and once behind RGIII. in other year's he probably would have won. john elway finished 2nd to herschel walker. steve young finished second to mike rozier (2,500 yards, 29 TDs). if luck, manning, elway or young faced a weak class like mariota did this year, they would have run away with the trophy. i surely hope you wouldn't pass on those guys because "they won the heisman"
 

Superman55

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that heisman analysis is pretty silly. it's partially a reflection of the competition that year in college. in most year's peyton manning would have won a heisman his senior year, but didn't because of an unworldly year from my man - charles woodson. andrew luck finished 2nd twice - once behind cam newton and once behind RGIII. in other year's he probably would have won. john elway finished 2nd to herschel walker. steve young finished second to mike rozier (2,500 yards, 29 TDs). if luck, manning, elway or young faced a weak class like mariota did this year, they would have run away with the trophy. i surely hope you wouldn't pass on those guys because "they won the heisman"

Hobson - Winston, Mariota, Bradford, or Foles, which QB would you most like to see us add?
 

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Hobson - Winston, Mariota, Bradford, or Foles, which QB would you most like to see us add?


wow, tough question. and hard to answer because you would need to know the "opportunity cost" of each. if we could do the theoretical philly trade and get a 1st, 2nd and next year's 1st plus foles, i'd probably go that route. or if we can just sign bradford as a FA or trade a 4th for him (or a conditional 2016 3rd upgrading to 2nd), then that is attractive as we can use our 1st this year on another position.

i'd probably pass on winston since i am very leery of him being thrust into the media fishbowl in NY being the so-called savior of the franchise. to me, that is a disaster waiting to happen.

honestly not sure who i would pick if all 4 were free to us to sign and don't have to factor in costs.
 
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Everybody is different how they view the draft and FA. For me if Winston is there at 6 I'm pushing grand ma out of the way getting the pick up to Rodger
 

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I think you have to, unless, you think a guy like Hundley, Grayson, or Petty is on the same level. If that's the case, then you wait and take your man. I wish I had a crystal ball.
 

Superman55

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wow, tough question. and hard to answer because you would need to know the "opportunity cost" of each. if we could do the theoretical philly trade and get a 1st, 2nd and next year's 1st plus foles, i'd probably go that route. or if we can just sign bradford as a FA or trade a 4th for him (or a conditional 2016 3rd upgrading to 2nd), then that is attractive as we can use our 1st this year on another position.

i'd probably pass on winston since i am very leery of him being thrust into the media fishbowl in NY being the so-called savior of the franchise. to me, that is a disaster waiting to happen.

honestly not sure who i would pick if all 4 were free to us to sign and don't have to factor in costs.

I think cost aside, because I feel if Gaily feels one is a franchise Qb who gets us to where we want to go, there are few prices too much to pay. However, cost aside, I think I'd rank them:

Bradford
Foles
Mariota
Winston
 
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I think cost aside, because I feel if Gaily feels one is a franchise Qb who gets us to where we want to go, there are few prices too much to pay. However, cost aside, I think I'd rank them:

Bradford
Foles
Mariota
Winston

Like I said everyone sees it different.

Winston
Bradford
Mariota
Foles
 
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