I'm sure it's just rumor or speculation but I heard something today about Winston to the Jets?

[Green Jets & Ham]

It's been reported that the Owners don't like Winston because they value image and character. The beat reporter who broke this has a solid history. Who knows if this will mean anything come April 30, but it sure makes things interesting

Again, this report suggests they found something troubling about Winston.

The question is, WHAT, is it something anyone would find troubling, or are they just being ultra conservative and careful?

I don't know the answer, but if Tampa soured on him and he's suddenly falling to 6, we better find out why.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Please God let the Jets pass on all the QB's in this draft.

 

[jetfandreamer]

Again, this report suggests they found something troubling about Winston.

The question is, WHAT, is it something anyone would find troubling, or are they just being ultra conservative and careful?

I don't know the answer, but if Tampa soured on him and he's suddenly falling to 6, we better find out.

Ill accept Mariota..but I don't want anything to do with Winston>>VERY OVERRATED..turnovers.....and off field stuff..an idiot takes him early....

Winston is an arrogant dirtbag

 

[NYJDraftKing]

Please God let the Jets pass on all the QB's in this draft.

I second that!

 

[NYJDraftKing]

Hallelujah...... someone who sees it. I have been saying since Feb that I dont believe Wilkerson will be with us after the draft. Now while I dont agree with this, it makes sense that MacBowles have put him off this long when the obvious was to extend him asap. I fully believe Wilk is trade bait in this draft. Tennessee could use a Dlineman and perhaps it was fodder to move up to 2 . I dont believe Wilk and our 1 this year gets you Tampa's pick. I think teams are really looking at the washington trade fiasco with RG3 .... and saying no way

Are you nuts! Wilkerson and our first round (#6) to move up four spots If we franchise him next seasom his value alone becomes two first round picks.
If Tennessee does not want him at # 2, ...Jacksonville, Oakland and Washington are not in the market for a new QB so he falls to us at # 6 anyway ... so by your logic we will be willing to give away our best player, when we don't have to.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Ill accept Mariota..but I don't want anything to do with Winston>>VERY OVERRATED..turnovers.....and off field stuff..an idiot takes him early....

Winston is an arrogant dirtbag

I'm generally in agreement, dreamer.

Its no secret that I've never been a fan of Winston's to begin with, never really loved either QB, though I was warming to the idea of Mariota, but I can't get excited about Winston, there's just something about this kid that rubs me the wrong way, he strikes me as a bit of a con man and a lot more arrogant than he has any right to be. I have a bad gut feeling about this kid. I think he's gonna get the big money and implode. I could be wrong, but thats my gut.

That said, if we take him I'll root for him, give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that I'm wrong, but I wouldn't draft him and I'm not gonna lie, I was glad when it seemed like he was a lock to Tampa, now I'm worried that he might fall to 6, but I just wanna go on record, if it was me I wouldn't take him, I think he's gonna bust.

 

[njimport]

College success does not mean NFL success. He reminds me of JaMarcus Russell and hope we don't draft him if he slides

 

[Greentilldeath]

Are you nuts! Wilkerson and our first round (#6) to move up four spots If we franchise him next seasom his value alone becomes two first round picks.
If Tennessee does not want him at # 2, ...Jacksonville, Oakland and Washington are not in the market for a new QB so he falls to us at # 6 anyway ... so by your logic we will be willing to give away our best player, when we don't have to.

Since when did Wilkerson become our best player? Is Richardson on this team? Is Revis on this team? Hell... Im not even sure he is the second best D lineman on the team. An if your read my post.... I said I wasn't in favor of it, because I think he is good. But there is a reason the extension hasn't happened. You think Mac is just sitting on his ass playing checkers? There is a reason the extension hasn't happened. There is no valid reason to wait till after the draft with the rookie wage scale. So whay hasn't it happened yet?

 

[Bronx]

Again, this report suggests they found something troubling about Winston.

The question is, WHAT, is it something anyone would find troubling, or are they just being ultra conservative and careful?

I don't know the answer, but if Tampa soured on him and he's suddenly falling to 6, we better find out why.

That doesn't have to be the case. Perhaps they don't like what we know already, and it is only now being reported. It's sounds like Lovie likes the kid, so I don't see how they pass on him

 

[Superman55]

College success does not mean NFL success. He reminds me of JaMarcus Russell and hope we don't draft him if he slides

At this point,, I'm just trusting whatever Mac, Bowles, and Gaily decide. I don't want him either and I have a feeling we are coming out of the draft with Grayson (they are bringing him in 2 days before the draft, that's interesting timing to determine if he fits our system)...but if Mac, Bowles, and Chan hang their hat on Winston (making this type of trade essentially puts your job in Winstons hands), than so be it. Every GM should get to pick their franchise QB, if Mac and Gaiky feels like he's the guy, I'm behind the move...but I don't like Winston either, trust me.

 

[njimport]

At this point,, I'm just trusting whatever Mac, Bowles, and Gaily decide. I don't want him either and I have a feeling we are coming out of the draft with Grayson (they are bringing him in 2 days before the draft, that's interesting timing to determine if he fits our system)...but if Mac, Bowles, and Chan hang their hat on Winston (making this type of trade essentially puts your job in Winstons hands), than so be it. Every GM should get to pick their franchise QB, if Mac and Gaiky feels like he's the guy, I'm behind the move...but I don't like Winston either, trust me.

I agree 55. I don't think Mac will trade valuable draft picks to move up he is a scout at heart and the draft is where he will succeed or fail. I actually like Grayson and I have said it before but not for a 2nd rounder as people have him going. He is a 3rd or 4th round grade who will have to sit for two years if you want him to succeed the write up Elias had on all the QB's on another thread was scary and was shocked to read that Petty was a one read QB don't need another one like that on the roster. As you mentioned Superman these are all future backups except the for the Duck who will not be there at number 6.

 

[Parcells123]

The wild card in all this could be ownership. The Jet Stadium season ticket sales are not great and there is a lot of churn from the season ticket holders. Many season ticket holders are withholding their PSL payments and simply walking away from the tickets.

So would that cause Woody Johnson and upper management to push for a trade up for Mariota to create publicity buzz even though it may not be the prudent thing to do? It's a question worth asking. And I hope it's not the case. If Mariota falls to 6-the Jets should take him. If not, they should take one of the WR's or a Fowler type player.

 

[Superman55]

The wild card in all this could be ownership. The Jet Stadium season ticket sales are not great and there is a lot of churn from the season ticket holders. Many season ticket holders are withholding their PSL payments and simply walking away from the tickets.

So would that cause Woody Johnson and upper management to push for a trade up for Mariota to create publicity buzz even though it may not be the prudent thing to do? It's a question worth asking. And I hope it's not the case. If Mariota falls to 6-the Jets should take him. If not, they should take one of the WR's or a Fowler type player.

Good variable to bring up, Parcells. Great post. I could see a move for Mariota or Winston to cause a buzz...but making such a move puts jobs on the line (everyone's but the owners). I tell you what, I'd be excited about the move, wouldnt you? Im not saying I would agree with a trade up for Mariota or Winston; but once they were on the roster, the analysis of every pass thrown in practice would be a daily interesting read, IMO...then when they got in the game, it would be cant miss TV.

 

[Superman55]

I agree 55. I don't think Mac will trade valuable draft picks to move up he is a scout at heart and the draft is where he will succeed or fail. I actually like Grayson and I have said it before but not for a 2nd rounder as people have him going. He is a 3rd or 4th round grade who will have to sit for two years if you want him to succeed the write up Elias had on all the QB's on another thread was scary and was shocked to read that Petty was a one read QB don't need another one like that on the roster. As you mentioned Superman these are all future backups except the for the Duck who will not be there at number 6.

Well, just look at Geno and RG3 as examples of the uphill struggle that is in front of Petty. In all honesty, I could see RG3 and Geno turn it around this year; but if they dont, their days as NFL starters will likely come to an end in 2016. I dont think the NFL has found a way to transition spread QBs into traditional QBs yet; but you know what, the NFL is full of really smart people...someone will figure it out. the Packers did with Rodgers, but they did it by having him hold a clipboard for almost 3 seasons. Most teams do not want to follow that model; but truth be told, that may actually be the formula...spread QBs need 3 season, likely 2 on the bench. I think NFL scouts and coaches have too much pride to admit anything takes 2 years to develop, so if someone cracks the code, great...until then, I think drafting spread QBs is a HUGE risk, especially if you're not patient. Its something fans need to keep in mind if their team drafts Petty or Hundley....likely even Mariota (though I like him working out in the offseason with Rivers, I think that will really help him develop fast).

 

[hobson54]

I don't care if he falls, I just want to know why the consensus [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] Overall Pick for months, the guy everybody in his mother was touting as a mortal lock to the Bucs at [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] , and until this week the Bucs gave no indication that they weren't taking Winston, have suddenly appeared to do a 180?

You don't have to be Lt. Columbo to surmise they found something that scared them about Winston and its probably not football related, and we're talking about a kid in their own backyard, so their PI's know the lay of the land.

If you're gonna take this guy at 6, you better know what they found, thats all I'm saying.

the jets are doing their own due diligence. so i'd hope they make a decision (if it came to that) based on their own findings. i don't care for tampa's reasons for passing on him. i care what our scouts and front office think, after conducting their own research, meeting with the player, his coaches, and whomever else they talk to in doing the due diligence on winston.

that said, i find it highly unlikely winston is there at 6. personally, i'd be shocked if he isn't taken #1 .

 

[Parcells123]

Good variable to bring up, Parcells. Great post. I could see a move for Mariota or Winston to cause a buzz...but making such a move puts jobs on the line (everyone's but the owners). I tell you what, I'd be excited about the move, wouldnt you? Im not saying I would agree with a trade up for Mariota or Winston; but once they were on the roster, the analysis of every pass thrown in practice would be a daily interesting read, IMO...then when they got in the game, it would be cant miss TV.

Would I be excited by a move up for Winston or Mariota? No for Winston. I don't think you trade up for a guy with as many red flags as Winston shows. Winston has huge downside risk. As for Mariota-it depends on the package. If the Jets had to mortgage this year's 1 and 2 and next year's 1 for the move up, I would say no. Would it be fun to read about Mariota's progress and exciting to see him develop? Absolutely. But in my mind it's far better to hang on to those picks, pick wisely and develop a talented and deep roster and try to acquire a better QB next year. After all the ultimate goal is to develop a new culture of winning and excellence with the new regime, no?

 

[Superman55]

the jets are doing their own due diligence. so i'd hope they make a decision (if it came to that) based on their own findings. i don't care for tampa's reasons for passing on him. i care what our scouts and front office think, after conducting their own research, meeting with the player, his coaches, and whomever else they talk to in doing the due diligence on winston.

that said, i find it highly unlikely winston is there at 6. personally, i'd be shocked if he isn't taken [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] .

I agree with everything said here.

1) I think Winston goes #1
2) Who cares what Tampas OC, QB coach, scouts, and GM think of Winston...we dont run tampa's offense, we run Chan's Spread offense....we need the QB our coaches and scouts like and front office approves.

All good points by Hobson.

 

[Superman55]

Would I be excited by a move up for Winston or Mariota? No for Winston. I don't think you trade up for a guy with as many red flags as Winston shows. Winston has huge downside risk. As for Mariota-it depends on the package. If the Jets had to mortgage this year's 1 and 2 and next year's 1 for the move up, I would say no. Would it be fun to read about Mariota's progress and exciting to see him develop? Absolutely. But in my mind it's far better to hang on to those picks, pick wisely and develop a talented and deep roster and try to acquire a better QB next year. After all the ultimate goal is to develop a new culture of winning and excellence with the new regime, no?

I dont disagree. The only part I disagree with is the compensation to move up. if Chan gaily stood in front of me and said mariota leading the offense and the quality of our defense will win us Super Bowls and have us in the play-offs annually...I give up next years 1 and never look back. Gaily knows about Qbs that he can use to win a lot of football games from his time with the Steelers and Cowboys...if he looks at mariota and see a big time prospects that perfectly fits what he's trying to implement, im 100% behind the move to move future picks to get "our guy." I even like the players we've put around him to be successful with Decker, marshall, and Kerley to go with ivory, Ridley, and Powell. id have a hard time hearing that from Gaily and not making a move to get him if one presents itself...but we dont know who Gaily likes in this class, so it will be interesting.

 

[jetfandreamer]

I'm generally in agreement, dreamer.

Its no secret that I've never been a fan of Winston's to begin with, never really loved either QB, though I was warming to the idea of Mariota, but I can't get excited about Winston, there's just something about this kid that rubs me the wrong way, he strikes me as a bit of a con man and a lot more arrogant than he has any right to be. I have a bad gut feeling about this kid. I think he's gonna get the big money and implode. I could be wrong, but thats my gut.

That said, if we take him I'll root for him, give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that I'm wrong, but I wouldn't draft him and I'm not gonna lie, I was glad when it seemed like he was a lock to Tampa, now I'm worried that he might fall to 6, but I just wanna go on record, if it was me I wouldn't take him, I think he's gonna bust.

I would root for him also ..and who am I? but if he falls to Jets at 6 and they take him..WTF..roll the dice.. but would rather have Scherrff /K White or trade down..if he falls to 6 THERE IS A REASON HE IS FALLING.........but in no way shape or form do I or think Jets should trade up for him....if they get him at 6 and still have their second round and next years forst I could semi accept and swallow it...

 

[jetfandreamer]

YOU WANT TO GO AGAINST PERCENTAGES?? Granted these guys go to teams in need but..cmon...

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YEAR FULL NAME SCHOOL POS. ACADEMIC YEAR
1935 Jay Berwanger Chicago RB Sr.
1936 Larry Kelley Yale END Sr.
1937 Clinton Frank Yale QB Sr.
1938 Davey O'Brien TCU QB Sr.
1939 Nile Kinnick Iowa RB Sr.
1940 Tom Harmon Michigan RB Sr.
1941 Bruce Smith Minnesota RB Sr.
1942 Frank Sinkwich Georgia RB Sr.
1943 Angelo Bertelli Notre Dame QB Sr.
1944 Les Horvath Ohio State HB Sr.
1945 Felix "Doc" Blanchard Army FB Jr.
1946 Glenn Davis Army RB Sr.
1947 John Lujack Notre Dame QB Sr.
1948 Doak Walker Southern Methodist RB Jr.
1949 Leon Hart Notre Dame END Sr.
1950 Vic Janowicz Ohio State RB Jr.
1951 Dick Kazmaier Princeton RB Sr.
1952 Billy Vessels Oklahoma RB Sr.
1953 John Lattner Notre Dame RB Sr.
1954 Alan Ameche Wisconsin RB Sr.
1955 Howard Cassady Ohio State RB Sr.
1956 Paul Hornung Notre Dame QB Sr.
1957 John David Crow Texas A$M RB Sr.
1958 Pete Dawkins Army RB Sr.
1959 Billy Cannon Louisiana State RB Fr.
1960 Joe Bellino Navy RB Sr.
1961 Ernie Davis Syracuse RB Sr.
1962 Terry Baker Oregon State QB Sr.
1963 Roger Staubach Navy QB Jr.
1964 John Huarte Notre Dame QB Sr.
1965 Mike Garrett USC RB Sr.
1966 Steve Spurrier Florida QB Sr.
1967 Gary Beban UCLA QB Sr.
1968 O.J. Simpson USC RB Sr.
1969 Steve Owens Oklahoma FB Sr.
1970 Jim Plunkett Stanford QB Sr.
1971 Pat Sullivan Auburn QB Sr.
1972 Johnny Rodgers Nebraska RB Sr.
1973 John Cappelletti Penn State RB Sr.
1974 Archie Griffin Ohio State RB Jr.
1975 Archie Griffin Ohio State RB Sr.
1976 Tony Dorsett Pittsburgh RB Sr.
1977 Earl Campbell Texas RB Sr.
1978 Billy Sims Oklahoma RB Jr.
1979 Charles White USC RB Sr.
1980 George Rogers South Carolina RB Sr.
1981 Marcus Allen USC RB Sr.
1982 Herschel Walker Georgia RB Jr.
1983 Mike Rozier Nebraska RB Sr.
1984 Doug Flutie Boston College QB Sr.
1985 Bo Jackson Auburn RB Sr.
1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami (Fla.) QB Sr.
1987 Tim Brown Notre Dame WR Sr.
1988 Barry Sanders Oklahoma State RB Jr.
1989 Andre Ware Houston QB Jr.
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB Jr.
1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR Jr.
1992 Gino Torretta Miami (Fla.) QB Sr.
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB Sr.
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado RB Jr.
1995 Eddie George Ohio State RB Sr.
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB Sr.
1997 Charles Woodson Michigan CB Jr.
1998 Ricky Williams Texas RB Sr.
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin RB Sr.
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State QB Sr.
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska QB Sr.
2002 Carson Palmer USC QB Sr.
2003 Jason White Oklahoma QB Jr.
2004 Matt Leinart USC QB Jr.
2006 Troy Smith Ohio State QB Sr.
2007 Tim Tebow Florida QB So.
2008 Sam Bradford Oklahoma QB So.
2009 Mark Ingram Alabama RB So.
2010 Cam Newton Auburn QB Jr.
2011 Robert Griffin III Baylor University QB Jr.
2012 Johnny Manziel Texas A&M QB Fr.
2013 Jameis Winston Florida State QB Fr.
2014 Marcus Mariota Oregon QB Jr.
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