Is David Harris contract Really One of FA's Worst?

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I don't think you understand how defense works. Just because Harris isn't a stud rusher, doesn't mean he doesn't know responsibilities for other positions on the field. He can see personnel and offensive adjustments and reposition our defenders or change the defense.

You're straying from the point. I never questioned his ability to make calls or position players.

My point was directed towards Hyatt's assertion that he is there to develop talent. He's not going to develop an OLB. Sorry. Not happening. And my point was there is no talent at ILB for him to groom. Follow?
 
J

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I was just replying to the idea that he had been snubbed for the Pro Bowl in years' past. I think he was......... in 2009,2010, and possibly in 2011. I think he's still an above average run stuffer and an above average blitzer. I think a lot of the perception of Harris is because Ryan used him poorly at times. No lb, let alone a 250lb one, should be covering a slot wr(Golden Tate). If used properly(like I believe Bowles will), Harris can be a productive player moving forward for us.

I was with you up to the point where you said he's covering slot WR's. No one's claiming he can nor is he assigned to. Let's be fair. He can't cover RB's nor TE's. None of them. And the team has needed him to.
 

BlindsideD'Brick

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Beasley plays a different position. I don't think he's going to take pass rushing pointers and god forbid, coverage pointers from Harris. And Harris is far from Pro bowl material. But you can believe that conspiracy theory if you'd like. I'm not even sipping that Kool-Aid.

And now it was the secondary's fault for his struggles. Okay.

Harris stats for 2014: 124 total tackles. 5 1/2 sacks. 2 Forced Fumbles.
He's also started every game since 2009. He's durable and a leader.

Your being a little harsh, don't ya think?
 

Football51

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I was with you up to the point where you said he's covering slot WR's. No one's claiming he can nor is he assigned to. Let's be fair. He can't cover RB's nor TE's. None of them. And the team has needed him to.



He was assigned to numerous games. The worst was this past year against Detroit. Ryan had him on Tate.




Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 2h 1 hour ago
Remember, D. Harris (7 targets/7 rec/124 yds/TD) responsible for half of DETs pass production. That's coaching. Not secondary problems.
 
J

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Harris stats for 2014: 124 total tackles. 5 1/2 sacks. 2 Forced Fumbles.
He's also started every game since 2009. He's durable and a leader.

Your being a little harsh, don't ya think?

How am I being harsh? I'm giving you my honest assessment. Should I sugar-coat it or lie to make you feel better? Come on.

Sighhhh, once again, I never questioned his run-stuffing ability. Please read my post again and tell me where I'm "harsh". Is anything I said not true or unfair? He's been a liability in coverage and pursuit in space for years. A top 5 rush defense needs a run-stuffing LB? These are questions I throw out there for you to give me an answer to. If you think I'm wrong, tell me why. That's what these forums are for.

I've openly asked what you and the Jets see in him. I'm still waiting on some rationale. I'm open for discussion, honestly I am. I'm very often flat out wrong and concede that I'm missing something here. Tell me what it is...enlighten me.
 
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He was assigned to numerous games. The worst was this past year against Detroit. Ryan had him on Tate.




Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 2h 1 hour ago
Remember, D. Harris (7 targets/7 rec/124 yds/TD) responsible for half of DETs pass production. That's coaching. Not secondary problems.

I'd also claim that's good coaching from the other side to expose him in coverage. Somewhere they got the matchups in their favor and trust me, this will continue.
 

Football51

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Harris is excellent in the screen game and Davis is the one who should be running downfield with rb's and te's. I'd expect Bowles to make that adjustment.
 

BlindsideD'Brick

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How am I being harsh? I'm giving you my honest assessment. Should I sugar-coat it or lie to make you feel better? Come on.

Sighhhh, once again, I never questioned his run-stuffing ability. Please read my post again and tell me where I'm "harsh". Is anything I said not true or unfair? He's been a liability in coverage and pursuit in space for years. A top 5 rush defense needs a run-stuffing LB? These are questions I throw out there for you to give me an answer to. If you think I'm wrong, tell me why. That's what these forums are for.

I've openly asked what you and the Jets see in him. I'm still waiting on some rationale. I'm open for discussion, honestly I am. I'm very often flat out wrong and concede that I'm missing something here. Tell me what it is...enlighten me.

Actually, I think I'll pass. The tone of your responses to me and others is really rude, man. You're really obnoxious sometimes. Tone it down. Just a suggestion.
 
J

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Harris is excellent in the screen game and Davis is the one who should be running downfield with rb's and te's. I'd expect Bowles to make that adjustment.

Agreed. And maybe this can be accomplished and is in their plans. Or maybe we'll see more OLB coverage from Bowles' schemes. Good point.
 
J

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Actually, I think I'll pass. The tone of your responses to me and others is really rude, man. You're really obnoxious sometimes. Tone it down. Just a suggestion.

Don't tell me how to live. You can ignore me if you'd like. I'm not belittling you or insulting you but I'm not Mr. Koombiyah either. I won't apologize for expressing myself. I'm a New Yorker at heart. Sorry if you can't handle that.
It might serve you well to read poster's posts before replying with something unrelated. Just saying.
 

HYATT™

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O-TAY chill'uns, let's all take a step back.
Save that personal attack crap for the scout board, eh?
They look like that's all they do and what little traffic they have thrives on it.
THIS board was intended to be INTELLIGENT and CIVIL posters discussing their opinions and respecting other posters' rights to hold them.
 

Football51

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Come on guys.......... everyone is trying to get to know one another. It'll take time. I know from the original Scout board and Machina's board that Brick is a good guy and a good poster. Very smart. Let's not get riled up for no reason.
 
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HYATT™;22085 said:
O-TAY chill'uns, let's all take a step back.
Save that personal attack crap for the scout board, eh?
They look like that's all they do and what little traffic they have thrives on it.
THIS board was intended to be INTELLIGENT and CIVIL posters discussing their opinions and respecting other posters' rights to hold them.

All reasons why I like this site.
 
J

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Come on guys.......... everyone is trying to get to know one another. It'll take time. I know from the original Scout board and Machina's board that Brick is a good guy and a good poster. Very smart. Let's not get riled up for no reason.

I'm sure he is. I know he is, I've seen plenty of his posts.
 

HYATT™

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Now that we've settled that, apologies all around are due, I believe - even from me, for sticking my nose into the business of the admins here.
 

mykcuz

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You're straying from the point. I never questioned his ability to make calls or position players.

My point was directed towards Hyatt's assertion that he is there to develop talent. He's not going to develop an OLB. Sorry. Not happening. And my point was there is no talent at ILB for him to groom. Follow?
Hyatts point was much more detailed than that, he made many points and you are only considering one variable.
 
J

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Hyatts point was much more detailed than that, he made many points and you are only considering one variable.

You're off point again. I addressed his many points. You and I were only talking about one of them.

If you have a question for me, feel free to ask it.
 

mykcuz

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I'd also claim that's good coaching from the other side to expose him in coverage. Somewhere they got the matchups in their favor and trust me, this will continue.
They exposed Harris playing out of position because our secondary sucked!
 
J

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They exposed Harris playing out of position because our secondary sucked!

Yeah, I heard that theory from you already. Can't agree. We've seen Harris exposed when Revis was here before. Belichick brilliantly deployed a 2-TE attack which sent the Jets defense reeling from Rex' 3rd year on.
 

mykcuz

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You're off point again. I addressed his many points. You and I were only talking about one of them.

If you have a question for me, feel free to ask it.
You've been given many examples and have ignored them.
Just because Harris has been down statistically, doesn't mean his skills are deteriorating. I argue he has looked poor to the outside eye because our defense was so under staffed, that Rex had to get creative. Rex took Harris out of position and had him covering slot receivers throughout the entire year. If he did that to mo, would you say mo is a bust?

Going forward, Harris was slightly payed above his worth because Rex would have signed him. Yet it's only a2 year deal. Which tells me 2 things, this staff clearly disagrees with your talent assessment,and so does buffalo's.
Now that we have an adequate secondary, Harris can be utilized correctly. Had we let him go, we would have created a weak spot at lb. Instead we maintained a capable lb core, d line core, and have a top 2 secondary. Worst case, this is a2 year experiment, best case we have no holes on defense and wr draft another lb this year to grow with demario. That would give us a young guy in waiting, Beasley, a guy in his prime demario, and a healthy veteran barely 31.
 
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