No QB? You happy going into next year with just Fitz, Geno, and nothing developing in the pipeline?
Is Perriman the new top dog at WR?
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No QB? You happy going into next year with just Fitz, Geno, and nothing developing in the pipeline?
I feel our team's identity is going to be like the NFC West where we rely on our defense and run game and limit the QBs responsibility. Wilson, Kapernick, Palmer's backup, and Bradfords backup (I point out the backups because they play more than the starters for those 2 teams), aren't asked to do a lot...just don't lose the game. Those teams, like our team, will hang their hat in that playing style...run the ball, play sound D, don't turn the ball over. Knowing our offense will be conservative, I find the need to draft a #4 WR we need in 2-3 years as not the best use of resources as it applies to our #6 pick...especially when we have over $20 mill per year already tied up in our #1 , 2 & 3 WRs. I would be happy if it happens, but that's the fan in me. The smart business decision, IMO, would be to add a piece that helps complete the defense so you can use the defense as the face of the franchise until you find a franchise QB.
Not an option. And no, I don't consider keeping Simms on the roster continues to be our developmental project. I have a feeling we may be in our last days of Simms making the team.
I agree. All of these mocks we keep seeing without a QB are missing the boat. QB will be the most important position we target in this coming draft.
I assume neither one of you have the 7th in mind when saying we "need" to draft a QB.
So which spot do you give up? I can't see us not getting a pass rusher (the one missing ingredient on this defense) and hope we don't miss the boat AGAIN on a strong WR class. Personally I prioritize OL depth, and don't think we currently have a RB that truly fits Gailey's scheme. Barring a trade, I've already used up my first 4 picks with no QB in sight.
So as much as I agree that we "need" to draft a QB, I'm not sure there's anyone out there who's worth replacing one of our other needs . . .
Obviously as long as Gaily feels there is a guy that fits his system...I think we all assume there is someone in this draft he likes, and it's probably a safe assumption with his preferred spread offense and how popular the spread is in college; however, I only take a QB, in any round that Gaily gives a thumbs-up to, not our scouting department's approval alone. I know its revamped, but we've done so poorly taking QBs for so long i think we need an expert's sign off with any QB, regardless of round. If we take a QB rd 7, he better be a guy Gaily thinks has some tools to be successful, or we're wasting our time with another Tahj Boyd...and I'd prefer not to go down that river again.
Honestly, i dont care the round. I really dont. It could be round 7 for me. I cant speak for Point because sometime we agree 100% and sometimes we couldn't be further apart on a prospect...but you'll find a small group of us from the other board talk NFL draft year round. Point and i are a couple of those guys, Hobson, Sarge, 51, SE, Nick, Cy, and a few others from the old board will talk college football prospects year round. Its a pretty good group when it comes to that.
Nevertheless, if Gaily looks at this draft class, and loves Bo Wallace from Ole Miss, and we snatch him with one of our 2 7th rd picks because he likes his long term potential, size (6'4 220) and arm strength and accuracy for his system...Im okay with that.
Which is why I'll always defer to the insight you guys bring to the table.
As far as a 7th round QB, I'd be OK with that, or even trading a future draft pick to get a QB now.
What a DON'T want (and seems to be what Point is implying) is a "get a QB at all costs" mentality. If Gailey wants someone, let's go get him. But if not, I don't want to give up:
1) Vic Beasley for Marcus Mariota
2) Nelson Agholor for Brett Hundley
3) Cedric Ogbuehbi for Bryce Petty
4) Duke Johnson for Garrett Grayson
Maybe those comparisons aren't spot on, but hopefully you get the gist of what I'm saying . . .
or the Steven Hill syndrome
What position is the most important on the field? Do we have someone that can even be argued as avg at that position? Until we find that guy everything else is secondary.
I agree 100%, but we can't make that guy appear just because we want him to.
I'm overexaggerating on purpose, but if we took your philosophy to the extreme we should draft a QB EVERY round -- we'd have to hit on one of them, no?
I'm more than open to being sold on one of the later QBs (Superman's already got me looking into this Bo Wallace guy). I actually look forward to the insight shared here -- it's my favorite part of the draft process.
I just can't see passing up legitimate talent just because we "have" to in our eternal search for a QB . . .
Bo Wallace was more for example purposes. He's a Jay Cutler type. Underrated mobility, rocket arm, questionable decision making, and inconsistent footwork. But he was very good playing in the SEC. He's Nicks kind of QB. My point was he's the type of QB Gaily could hypothetically turn on the film and say he has 7 of the 10 key skillsets to be successful in my offense and I feel he can learn the other 3...if Wallace or another QB fits that description, that's the QB I want regardless of Rd selected.
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Not if they all suck.
I get it, but I'm not gonna know about these guys if posters like you don't mention them. There's a lot of info you guys take for granted that "the ignorant group" look forward to reading.
So while you certainly don't owe me anything, just know everything you (and others) throw out there is appreciated . . .
Call me crazy and I know you will but if we can't or won't draft Winston, then I say no. IMO Mariota will take time to learn as Geno did and not worth a first round pick. The other rookies as far as I know won't beat Geno out either so I don't see the point. Call me even crazier and I'm sure you will but I believe Geno will step up this year. Much better team and their not done yet and much much much better coaching and management.
I believe this will all help Geno and we will be straight from here on. If Geno can't make it happen now then he won't period. Call it a pipe dream but I think he can do it. Now if they do draft a QB, I say wait till the forth round at least. The first three picks should go to LB, WR and o-linemen. If Geno flops then its Fitz job unless the rookie shows something. So being that Fitz will take over if Geno flops, they can address QB in the early rounds next draft.
I with you, can't debate anything your saying.
Very cool thing to say. This forum and the posters that contribute is the best I've been a part of.
I just think this is a natural fan's optimism that tends to happen in the off-season. We all start finding the silver linings and start seeing things half full & then some. When the season starts, I think we will all get smacked in the face with reality and that being we don't have a QB, and it's the QB that makes everything go. Then we'll all wonder why we weren't more aggressive pursuing Bradford, Foles, Mariota, or Winston.
I'm in the more moderate end of that spectrum. I don't love Mariota. I want to see us go Beasley in round 1, Bryce Petty (who I really like and most certainly does not suck) in round 2, and then the best RB or WR on the board in round 3.
Now if someone like Gurley or DGB is sitting there at 37 then I would probably gamble on them and take the best QB on the board in round 3 (Grayson or Hundley).
But in NO WAY do I go 3 rounds into this draft without drafting a QB. I don't think we need to draft someone every round until we find the guy, but from here on out we should draft one per year until it's settled. I truly believe that.
+1000000000
(Of course, I felt that way at JI too, but it's cool hearing from a new set of voices to go with some of the old ones) . . .
If they draft a QB I have no issues with that but unless we draft Winston or Mariota we may be waisting our time. That's just my opinion by the way of course. The Foles trade I was really hurt and pissed it didn't happen because not only would we have multiple high picks but also a proven young QB that we all know would have beaten out Geno. Bradford is to much of a injury risk I wouldn't want any parts of. A trade for Breez or Rivers and now were talking also but Fitz I don't see beating out Geno. Neither any of the other rookies not named Winston or Mariota and I seriously doubt Mariota could year one anyway as well. I posted this earlier on another thread that I wanted to include here also:
The beautiful thing about all of this is the new regime has no loyalty to anyone right now. The QB battle will be open and very fair and may the best man win. Geno will get his shot because unless they trade for Breez or Rivers or draft Winston or Mariota, they will want to see if Geno can be the answer. If he is not they will pull his ass asap. This team is ready now and all they need is consistent positive QB play.
I believe with better weapons, a better team overall and MUCH better and smarter coaching and management, Geno will show us something positive. Time will tell and this will be a very exciting season for all Jets fans. As for Fitz, he has shown who he is over these ten years and that is to be a career back-up at best and no one can argue that. Yes he has had his good years and been consistent at times or years. He has also been a turnover and injury prone machine and has shown that at times or years. Geno to me and me only obviously hasn't shown who he is yet.
If he was on a half-way competitive team over the past two years I would say you got me. If he played for a half-way competent coach and GM and then say you got me also. This year is his chance to show who he really is. If he flops then we know he was just as guilty as everyone else and its time to move on. If he excels then it shows that the two years would have most likely been better for him and the team if he had better circumstances around him.