JD Cites Jets' 'Great Flexibility' Heading into '22 Offseason

[Innocenti]

Oh yeah. One more thing @innocenti

Where is Mike Maccagnan now?

If he did such an amazing job in NYJ then why has he been unemployed ever since becoming fired?

Poor Joe Douglas.

Mike Maccagnan did such an ATROCIOUS to NYJs football team that 31 other NFL owners want nothing to do with him.

Poor Joe Douglas.

When the hell did I ever defend Maccagnan? I was cautiously optimistic with him as I am with JD. Stop making up stuff about people.

 

[Innocenti]

Funny how you could only mention two seasons of Bill Parcells.

What happened to the other beyond 1997-1998? Oh yeah. That's right. NYJ completely fell off a cliff and not even Bill Belichick wanted to save us.

Bill Parcells did an AWFUL JOB of building a team to become build for LONG TERM success.

Joe Douglas? He has a plan for long term success and to judge him on his "first 2 years" without giving him a chance during his next two years imo is very, extreme?

Aside from the fact that I really don't agree with this and don't feel like getting into it further, I would rather Parcells' 2nd season and did not set us up for long term BS (which which I disagree), then this sh*t show.

 

[Innocenti]

@innocenti, laugh at me all that you'd like...for now

But after this offseason, do me the courtesy of letting me know that i might have had a point when you see the additions we make this offseason. additions we were able to make, because of his use of player trades, and making low risk/quick termination FA signings.

The man is a genius!

I hope you're right! I just don't see it happening.

 

[gmf1369]

JD wasn't thrusted into anything. He made a choice. And I suppose that he didn't make that choice thinking he would go 6-27. I think most competent professionals wouldn't put themselves in this kind of a situation in any profession if they didn't think they could turn it around quickly.

It is his fault since it happened under his watch. I want JD to succeed as much as you do. But 6-27 is still 6-27. We'll see what happens next season. But there isn't a lot to be optimistic about.

Zack Wilson improved late in the season to get the 31st best QB rating. The bright spots are that he's as bad as Trevor Lawrence right now and may have surpassed the practice squad QB. We had the second most or most ints this past season.

Michael Carter...and I actually like him. But he had a whopping 639 yards. Defense, we didn't have a player with more than 6.5 sacks or 2 ints. Kicking game was atrocious for much of the season. We went through 2 punters. Berrios is good. There's not a lot of bright spots on this team and it's not Macc's fault.

Stop eating do sh and pretending that it's caviar.

So he gets blamed for being hired after the 2019 draft and the signings of Le'Veon Bell, CJ Mosley & Trumaine Johnson by Maccagnan
O.K.
of the three players one pan out and left the team with ample dead loss
allowing to let Robbie Anderson walk was not Joe Douglas decision more so Adam Gase
the 7-9 season was off a roster from the year before and the Brilliant Offensive Mind and his Frank Gore infatuation delivered us to hell of a 2-14 season as long got his touches and reached that pinnacle 16 thousand career yards at the expense of the team
but again that is on Joe Douglas, not to mention having Adam Gase get his wife's father to be the defensive coordinator I mean come on, seriously

Joe Douglas was hired but Gase was controlling the action until Joe stepped up to ownership and demanded them to give him full authority and fire Gase, which they did and from that point I consider where his actual career starts...

don't give me stats, I know them all -- the situation was dire and he was in a rock in hard place when hired

 

[gmf1369]

this will be his 3rd real draft but the first with the new coaching staff
next year the team has to show improvement
they doubled the win total from the year before but it was an evaluation season by the coaching staff that implemented a specific game plan
I expect roster moves this off season along with draft selection building future capitol
as long as they show improvement in overall statistics not saying win totals
I would hope they crack the playoffs but that depends the coaching staff's development of the roster

 

[Old#15]

One other item of importance to this conversation, is that JD came on board with a 6-year contract knowing that the jets were a steaming pile of s*&t. He realized this and knew that it wasn't a quick fix particularly with Ol' Bug Eyes coaching the team. Having to start from scratch with a new coaching staff this year also had a big impact on W/L. I think we finally have the right guys and structure in place to successfully move forward, if you don't agree that's fine.

 

[skop]

One other item of importance to this conversation, is that JD came on board with a 6-year contract knowing that the jets were a steaming pile of s*&t. H

NAILED IT!!! He wouldn't take the job if he didn't get that! Somebody finally had the stones and/or diplomacy to tell a proud family that they allowed their franchise to be run into the ground, and he wasn't interested in the same recipe "done right this time".

 

[skop]

I hope you're right! I just don't see it happening.

IMHO, that is because we are used to the sugar high of (ex.) adding Marshall, Decker, and Fitz to a solid OLine and Ivory to get to 10-6 in a year almost injury free.

But what was after that sugar high except players who weren't true Jets (but mercenaries), and tons of dead money...not to mention almost entirely empty draft classes. But we did get a competitive season that did nothing for the fans long term, but it kept the former GM's and HC's employed.


Get on board, Brother...at the worst, "it'll be same ole Jets", but if succeeds, we are perennial winner.

he had to strip it to the studs the way he did, record and all to give the team that chance!!

 

[Bigmoe]

I hope you're right! I just don't see it happening.

Me neither
You can’t win this argument
That’s why I won’t even bother
I’ve lived this shit too long now
Heres my favorite quote at the end of 52 seasons
Maybe next year
Hey that’s being positive!!!!

 

[skop]

Me neither
You can’t win this argument

absolutely you can win this argument, and you have the track record to fall back on.

but you gotta admit we are in rarified air in terms of (1.) GM, HC, OC, and DC all being on the same page, (2.) no Dead Money nightmare's, and (3.) a haul of top tier capital picks all coalescing together at the same time.

we've had 1, or 1 and 2...but i cannot remember all 3 together.

 

[Innocenti]

You're defending Mike Maccagnan without even knowing it.
...

No I'm not. Stop making up stuff about me.

 

[Innocenti]

Um. Where to start?

A.) Joe Douglas was never going to become judged over his "1st two years".

B.) Because Joe Douglas was always going to be judged during his next two years of years #3 and #4.

C.) Because your boy Mike Maccagnan left him with so much CRAP it was impossible to fix during your "two year" time span.

D.) If Joe Douglas was more focused on winning and not building for the future? He wouldn't have traded away Jamal Adams for two 1st round picks (hasn't even had time to use them both) and he wouldn't have traded Sam Darnold away for a 2nd and a 4th (hasn't even had time to use them yet). And he also wouldn't have us in position to feature top 5 salary cap space (hasn't even had time to use it yet).

And you're wrong about Michael Carter. He put up over 900+ Offensive Yards from Scrimmage despite only 14 games played.

But before you start crapping all over Joe Douglas can you please create me a list of everything that you loved about Mike Maccagnan ala the guy he's replacing in order to rebuild the crap Maccagnan left him with?

10 things you loved about Mike Maccagnan (list below).

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if you can't even list 10 things Mike Maccagnan did right? Well then I don't believe you should be talking about JD record during only "his 1st two years".

EVEN MICHAEL JORDAN HAD BACK TO BACK TO BACK LOSING BELOW. 500 SEASONS DURING HIS 1ST 3 NBA SEASONS.

You're a loon.

 

[Innocenti]

Me neither
You can’t win this argument
That’s why I won’t even bother
I’ve lived this shit too long now
Heres my favorite quote at the end of 52 seasons
Maybe next year
Hey that’s being positive!!!!

Maybe next season the Jets will manage to win 7 games.

 

[Innocenti]

And you can't even give me 10 examples on how JD could've had a winning record during only "his 1st two years".

1.) Win more than 6 games
2.) Lose less than 27 games
3.) Sign Kellen Clemens
4.) Be someone other than Joe Douglas
5.) Outscore his opponents
6.) Bring back Herman Edwards
7.) Sign Andy Reid
8.) Listen to DefenseWinsChampsionships
9.) Pretend 6 wins is equal to 17 or more wins
10.) Switch to golf...it's easier to get higher scores.

 

[Innocenti]

You can't even give 10 examples. Serious football examples. On how YOU believe Joe Douglas could've had any type of success during his 1st two years.

You can't come up with a solution but yet feel the need to bash him as a GM?

You're right. A .182 winning percentage is the best that anyone could've hoped for.

You know, my academic advisor in college told me to get straight Fs as a freshman so that I could prepare for a 2.3 GPA in my senior year. I'm glad he talked me out of being a straight A student because I would've burned out.

 

[Innocenti]

No. We haven't made the playoffs in 11 years. Am I supposed to blame "Joe Douglas" like you're doing?

Well Macc was preparing for a playoff run in 15 years....stockpiling drafts and Joe Douglas ruined all of his handiwork.

 

[Bigmoe]

Maybe next season the Jets will manage to win 7 games.

Oh goodie
And now your being overly optimistic