Jets 2016 offseason discussion thread

[gmf1369]

New York Jets are planning to place the franchise tag on Muhammad Wilkerson but the speculation doesn't there. With the new speculated cap charge for 2016 being reported a whopping $155 Million the Jets and other ball clubs have more than enough money to absorb a contract like the one the Jets will be giving Wilkerson, approximately $15.5 Million cap hit. Rumors are the Jets will listen to trade offers especially from the Oakland Raiders who have been openly expressive in acquiring Wilkerson. The Raiders currently hold the 14th pick in the 2016 draft which for the Jets could be just enticing enough to strike a deal to send their franchised tagged player to the west coast.

Considering any kind of trade, what is Muhammad Wilkerson current value? Currently recovering from a broken leg suffered in the final game of the season and is on the mend to recovery will the Jets get max value in a trade or is he just worth lets say the Oakland's first round pick number 14 only? To me, Wilkerson has proven it on the field to be a true competitor and play maker while off the field he is a leader not only in the locker room but in the community. If by those means alone wouldn't his value be multiple draft picks to say least a 1st & 3rd even if the 3rd is a future pick?

Last year the luck of the draw best player available we were basically awarded another potentially great defensive lineman in Leonard Williams, giving us thee option to be in this position this off season. Unfortunately we drafted Muhammad and the hope was he would be a lifer, but that doesn't always happen just because the level of potential and the egos of these players today being hyped up by their agents and the outside world telling them to break the bank of the ball clubs even though they are already stand to make millions on top of millions of dollars playing a game that is a privilege.

So if you were in Mike Maccagnan's shoes what would you do? Would you trade Muhammad or keep him and by keeping him after next year do you re-tag him with another franchise tag if a long term deal is not completed? (2017 tag roughly $19.5 Million). Do we keep him for one season to prove that his unfortunate leg injury didn't affect his game in anyway to drive the price up, but wouldn't that be a gamble on our part? Do you listen to all offers until the night before the draft and make the best trade ever? What do you feel is the right price for a talent who consistently proved himself year to year in the five years he has been in the league?

Thoughts?
Discuss...

 

[Mainejet]

There's nothing left to do except trade him. We'll get him on the franchise tag, that's no problem, but they are never going to reach an acceptable amount of money with him. That will never happen if it hasn't already. We also cannot let him go without getting something in return. a 1st and 2nd should do it and it would set us up pretty in the draft.

 

[lounap23]

There's nothing left to do except trade him. We'll get him on the franchise tag, that's no problem, but they are never going to reach an acceptable amount of money with him. That will never happen if it hasn't already. We also cannot let him go without getting something in return. a 1st and 2nd should do it and it would set us up pretty in the draft.

Tag him and sign him... Let Richardson be the one traded..... I disagree with you here, I think we can sign him

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Tag him and sign him... Let Richardson be the one traded..... I disagree with you here, I think we can sign him

What about signing Mo to a long term extension, and franchising Snacks?

 

[lounap23]

What about signing Mo to a long term extension, and franchising Snacks?

That would be ideal.... I just don't see Wilk and the Jets getting to a long term deal before having to franchise him and use that time to negotiate.

 

[SackExchange]

I would prefer dealing Sheldon and signing Mo longterm, but I doubt Sheldon has the trade value right now.

This is way off the wall - WAY off the wall - but what about tagging Mo, seeing if the Skins tag Cousins, and working out a Mo-for-Cousins trade? Let Fitz walk, bring back Snacks, and the cap hit is similar. Both Mo and Fitz are off the cap, a young potential franchise QB comes in, and the logjam at DL is solved. It's a little crazy (MORE than a little), but what the hell? Why not toss out the idea?

 

[jetgreen13]

I would prefer dealing Sheldon and signing Mo longterm, but I doubt Sheldon has the trade value right now.

This is way off the wall - WAY off the wall - but what about tagging Mo, seeing if the Skins tag Cousins, and working out a Mo-for-Cousins trade? Let Fitz walk, bring back Snacks, and the cap hit is similar. Both Mo and Fitz are off the cap, a young potential franchise QB comes in, and the logjam at DL is solved. It's a little crazy (MORE than a little), but what the hell? Why not toss out the idea?

LOLz yeah, that really would be a madden video game type trade.. but you essentially said as much yourself..

 

[soj]

Tag him and sign him... Let Richardson be the one traded..... I disagree with you here, I think we can sign him

Agree, keep mo and snacks, trade SR for the best value you can get.... he is a walking time bomb.

 

[Savage69]

Cameron Jordan came out the same year as Mo 2011 was a higher pick and signed by the Saints for a reasonable contract why do Jet Fans think Mo is worth much more???

Cam Jordan signed a five year, $55 million contract extension with the Saints on June 2, 2015. Jordan received a $16 million signing bonus and his $969,000 2015 base salary is also fully guaranteed. According to Nick Underhill of the Advocate, Jordan will receive a $6,000,000 roster bonus in 2016 and yearly roster bonuses of $500,000 in the final three years of the contract. Jordan is also eligible for $300,000 in per game roster bonuses in 2018 and $500,000 in per game bonuses from 2018 through 2020. His salaries in 2015 and 2016 are guaranteed for injury only and will become fully guaranteed if on the roster the 3rd day of that respective League Year. Another $1.25 million in sack incentives per year is available from 2017 to 2020. The Saints created $2.8 million in 2015 cap space with the extension.

 

[raideraholic]

Agree, keep mo and snacks, trade SR for the best value you can get.... he is a walking time bomb.

What does trading Sheldon Richardson ( making peanuts next year ) do for the Jets salary cap.( even if you want him gone) Adding Wilkerson extension and resigning Snacks will severely hamper what Jet free agents they can bring in, or other team free agents they like to acquire.

Not to mention your going to have to take an ax to other positions, to pay to keep thAt defense line intact.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

What does trading Sheldon Richardson ( making peanuts next year ) do for the Jets salary cap.( even if you want him gone) Adding Wilkerson extension and resigning Snacks will severely hamper what Jet free agents they can bring in, or other team free agents they like to acquire.

Not to mention your going to have to take an ax to other positions, to pay to keep thAt defense line intact.

Its a luxury that is not needed in the NFL now. You have to be able to get to the QB and this DL can't do it enough. Spend money elsewhere.

 

[jetgreen13]

Its a luxury that is not needed in the NFL now. You have to be able to get to the QB and this DL can't do it enough. Spend money elsewhere.

as great as this unit looks on paper, it simply hasn't translated on the field..

if mac does break up the band, i'll trust he has a legitimate plan in mind as far as what he will do with the money that would be freed up..

 

[flgreen]

as great as this unit looks on paper, it simply hasn't translated on the field..

if mac does break up the band, i'll trust he has a legitimate plan in mind as far as what he will do with the money that would be freed up..

Whatthe unit really needs to put it over the top is an edge rusher. Hopefully a good one will come in this draft

 

[jetgreen13]

Whatthe unit really needs to put it over the top is an edge rusher. Hopefully a good one will come in this draft

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absolutely.. much fitzpatrick getting his passes out almost 3 seconds quicker than "what's his face" helped the OL play solid football, edge pressure would be a night & day difference for the DL..

i still maintain the DL has failed to live up to the hype going into last season.. all of that, "you're not going to block all of them" stuff never really materialized..

 

[Elias]

Mo announced today that he's starting his rehab earlier than anticipated.

 

[HYATT™]

Revis @ $17M.
Mo, Snacks, Marshall ($9M), & FitzMagic ($13M) - average $11M. (Averages for Snacks & Mo on new deals.)
CAR, LA, MIA, BUF, & CIN are the only teams spending more than $30M (20%) on the DL.

Decker, Skrine, & THOR - all at $8M.
Gilchrist, Carpenter, & Williams - all at $5M.
Milliner can eat it if he thinks he's worth $4M
Folk & Richardson - at $3M.
$110M right there.
$44M to spread out among 40 more players - HALF of whom will be playing for 1st contract minimums at or under $525k.

Everyone else is playing for chump change in 2016, except 'Brick who ain't getting no $14M, (they owe him about $1M on guaranteed yet) & Harris who is going to have to consider a pay cut if he wants to stick around. His $7.5M is the rest of his guaranteed money.

There ARE no cap problems for the Jets in 2016, after the release of a lot of over-the-hill vets and useless PoS players.
There's somewhere in the neighborhood of an extra $30M to be had by simply letting 'Brick, Cro, Cumberland, & Mini-Mi go - leaving the f.o. about $50M to play with in FA.

 

[Elias]

Revis @ $17M.
Mo, Snacks, Marshall ($9M), & FitzMagic ($13M) - average $11M. (Averages for Snacks & Mo on new deals.)
CAR, LA, MIA, BUF, & CIN are the only teams spending more than $30M (20%) on the DL.

Decker, Skrine, & THOR - all at $8M.
Gilchrist, Carpenter, & Williams - all at $5M.
Milliner can eat it if he thinks he's worth $4M
Folk & Richardson - at $3M.
$110M right there.
$44M to spread out among 40 more players - HALF of whom will be playing for 1st contract minimums at or under $525k.

Everyone else is playing for chump change in 2016, except 'Brick who ain't getting no $14M, (they owe him about $1M on guaranteed yet) & Harris who is going to have to consider a pay cut if he wants to stick around. His $7.5M is the rest of his guaranteed money.

There ARE no cap problems for the Jets in 2016, after the release of a lot of over-the-hill vets and useless PoS players.
There's somewhere in the neighborhood of an extra $30M to be had by simply letting 'Brick, Cro, Cumberland, & Mini-Mi go - leaving the f.o. about $50M to play with in FA.

That sounds great in theory but there aren't too many quality players FA to replace or be an upgrade to these vets.

 

[Mugatu]

The biggest Albatross this team has is the Ferguson contract. He's in decline, and has a massive cap hit.
If a OT that is a viable replacement is there at #20, this is a move that you kinda have to make. Yes... I usually believe BAP is the way to go, but the cap relief that releasing brick could potentially bring is kind of a double whammy.

You can't have vets everywhere.....

 

[McJet]

The biggest Albatross this team has is the Ferguson contract. He's in decline, and has a massive cap hit.
If a OT that is a viable replacement is there at #20, this is a move that you kinda have to make. Yes... I usually believe BAP is the way to go, but the cap relief that releasing brick could potentially bring is kind of a double whammy.

You can't have vets everywhere.....

Fortunately, for the Jets, best player available at 20 this year could very well be an OT.

 

[gmf1369]

Fortunately, for the Jets, best player available at 20 this year could very well be an OT.

BPA at 20 could be 4 possibilities positions:

• OLB
• CB
• WR
• OG

Realistically Prospect Rankings, that should be available when the Jets pick at 20th overall:

• @ OLB: Shaq Lawson, Shilique Calhoun, Joshua Perry
• @ CB: Eli Apple, Kendall Fuller
• @ WR: Michael Thomas, Josh Doctson, Tyler Boyd
• @ OG: Cody Whitehair, Landon Turner

Shaq Lawson is better suited with his hand in the ground, so between Calhoun from Michigan State and Perry from Ohio State could be ideal options but they seem to be slipping into the second round.

I already stated my case for Eli Apple, like Apple; Kendal Fuller shows more upside long term then some other prospects early in this draft.

Of the three receivers Tyler Boyd, has the better potential to contribute early in Chan Gailey's system but Boyd is considered a top 38 prospect right now.

Interior lineman is actually solid, even with people negative on Brian Winters who actually took a step forward reducing his flags while improving his pathetic pass blocking. Is he the answer long term, if no either Whitehair or Turner could be the pick.