Jets 2016 offseason discussion thread

BlindsideD'Brick

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The biggest Albatross this team has is the Ferguson contract. He's in decline, and has a massive cap hit.
If a OT that is a viable replacement is there at #20, this is a move that you kinda have to make. Yes... I usually believe BAP is the way to go, but the cap relief that releasing brick could potentially bring is kind of a double whammy.

You can't have vets everywhere.....

Releasing Feruson creates a giant hole at LT. I agree that he needs to take a haircut on that contract, but he's still an above average LT and a high character guy. There aren't many starting caliber LT's growing on trees out there. Even a draft pick is far from a sure thing stepping into that position, other than maybe Laremy Tunsil.
 

HYATT™

Pro Bowl 1st Team
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That sounds great in theory but there aren't too many quality players FA to replace or be an upgrade to these vets.
Replacements won't be veterans.
The league is now a draft & develop FAST league, with rosters trending younger, due to the Owners' greed.
Draft picks and UDFAs are displacing veterans because the rookie cap made it feasible.
IMHO the veterans royally screwed themselves on that one in the new CBA.

2nd contracts are becoming much more rare, with players in the league for 4-5 years and that's the end of them.
Rosters USED to have maybe 4 or 5 UDFAs making it each year. Now 8-10 is the norm, and those UDFAs are being pushed to produce by their 2nd season or they are gone too.
Turnover has actually accelerated across the board for both veterans and UDFAs, with UDFAs averaging just 2 seasons now & position-specific veterans having on average almost 1.5 years less seniority.
There is a direct relationship between those 2 types of averages, incidentally, with UDFAs pushing veterans out earlier and depressing the remaining ones' salaries.
It's the NFL equivalent of "outsourcing", called "in-sourcing".
Hiring cheaper labor to displace more experienced and more expensive workers.
In HYATT™'s OPINION, it is ruining the only sport he loves.

The Jets have about 40 roster spots open for competition, really, and of those 40, HYATT™ fully expects 15 or so to be new faces in 2016.
All 40 of them will be playing for $525k or less, except for 8-10 of the more pricey veterans in the $1M-$3M range.
Probably a half-dozen existing contracts will be re-worked to make cap room as well.

It's a fugly business but it's what the NiFfLe has become.
 
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NYJETSDAN16

Repeat Offender Pro Bowler
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Trade Wilk to the Giants for their number 10th over all pick. Trade the 10th and 20th to San Diego for their #3 and draft Carson Wentz as Jared Goff would be selected by Cleveland.

Gotta start searching for a franchise QB fellas. Hopefully it'll be Bryce Petty, but you just cant place all your eggs in one basket.

 

mydogisajetsfan

Pro Bowl 1st Team
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To me the decision is pretty simple. Franchise him and let him see how much he's worth. My guess is it's no where near what he's looking for. And if he signs with a team for less then match it, if he signs for more then take the two first round picks and move on. $15.5mm can fill 2 offensive line spots and an OLB. Mac already drafted his replacement and 4 first rounders in the next two years can reload this team pretty nicely.
 

jetgreen13

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[MENTION=104]NYJETSDAN16[/MENTION] that's a lot of shaking & baking..

there seems to be a pretty wide divide at JFU as far as if there is a franchise QB to be found in the up coming draft.. i'm not a college football guy so i have to defer to those guys & gals who are..

all that being said, i would like to see us draft a QB somewhere in the middle rounds & try to get a better idea of what we have in petty..

as in, if we make the kind of moves you described, petty unofficially becomes an afterthought..
 
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flgreen

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[MENTION=104]NYJETSDAN16[/MENTION] that's a lot of shaking & baking..

there seems to be a pretty wide divide at JFU as far as if there is a franchise QB to be found in the up coming draft.. i'm not a college football guy so i have to defer to those guys & gals who are..

all that being said, i would like to see us draft a QB somewhere in the middle rounds & try to get a better idea of what we have in petty..

as in, if we make the kind of moves you described, petty unofficially becomes an afterthought..


IMO at least, the QB's that will be available in the 3rd round have as much chance of being stars at the next level as the guys who will be selected top 10.

We'll see what Macc thinks in a few months
 

jetgreen13

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IMO at least, the QB's that will be available in the 3rd round have as much chance of being stars at the next level as the guys who will be selected top 10.

We'll see what Macc thinks in a few months
if petty was in this draft, what round would you think he would be drafted & would he be the first QB picked??
 

HYATT™

Pro Bowl 1st Team
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QB value fades quickly in the draft.
In a class with candidates like Scam, RGIII, Luck, Mariota, Winston - they tend to go off the board immediately, followed by a break until Rd 3 when another tier will be drafted in the middle of Rd 3 to the end of Rd 5 with no real dynamism to "get their guy" evident.
Unless a QB prospect is among the kind of prospects that are viewed as "can't fail", they actually don't have much of a market value at all.

2nd tier QB prospects are worth no more than any other positional prospect expected to need time to develop, even though the position itself is valued quite highly.
In that sense clubs are hesitant to waste a pick in the middle rounds on a QB, when other position groups, (like WR in 2014 & 2015), are deep indeed and can provide quality mid-round picks like Martavis Bryant, John Brown, & Donte Moncrief.

It's not until Rd 5 or later, when other position groups have been exhausted, that GMs are willing to take the chance of wasting a precious draft pick, (they only get 7), on a player that has extremely high odds against him ever playing a meaningful snap in the NFL.
Late round WRs, CBs, S, & LBs, are seen as better uses of picks than excess baggage QB prospects - because at least those groups can play valuable ST snaps.
QBs just sit around and play with their pencildiks and clip-boreds.

Petty went as high as a 4th round pick for only one reason.
The Jets were extremely desperate, or he'd have fallen another round and a half with Hundley, (who was deemed of roughly equal value).
 
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Bronx

Repeat Offender Pro Bowler
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Why wouldn't Sam Diego want a QB,if this kid is worth it? We know Mo is a all pro, we know nothing about these Qbs. Maybe we will learn from the Revis blunder


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HYATT™

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Why wouldn't Sam Diego want a QB,if this kid is worth it? We know Mo is a all pro, we know nothing about these Qbs. Maybe we will learn from the Revis blunder


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Rivers just re-upped for 4 years/$84M and they expect him to continue to play at a high level.
They won't waste anything but a late pick on a QB - and probably not even then. Too many other needs.

 

Bronx

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That's a mistake . I wonder if the back end of that contract is worth anything


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Mainejet

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That would be ideal.... I just don't see Wilk and the Jets getting to a long term deal before having to franchise him and use that time to negotiate.

They've had what? Two full seasons now to get something done? If it hasn't happened already it isn't going to, not after two seasons of disagreements. I thought about this long and hard and I believe this makes the most sense as much as I hate to part with Mo. He's an excellent player and a guy you can build a defense around. Getting something for him now before he leaves and the Jets get nothing in return is the best approach.
 

Bronx

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Getting nothing in return is not a possibility when you have the franchise tag. So that's not a concern or a factor. Unless our GM is. Complete idiot


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Mugatu

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Releasing Feruson creates a giant hole at LT. I agree that he needs to take a haircut on that contract, but he's still an above average LT and a high character guy. There aren't many starting caliber LT's growing on trees out there. Even a draft pick is far from a sure thing stepping into that position, other than maybe Laremy Tunsil.

He's starting calibre but he was dreadful last year. Better to cut bait a year too early at that price.
Brick is definitely a below average LT at this point in his career. Unless he takes a cut, I can't see him sticking around.

A great Jet but better gone a year early than a year late.
 
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ucrenegade

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I think it would depend on if bowles think sheldon is mature enough whether or not they dangle mo in a trade scenario. Sheldon obv has more upside but mo is steady and is at his peak right now. In a perfect world you keep sheldon and he becomes the next reggie white (yes he has that kind of talent) and you trade mo for a ton. However humans are not perfect and if sheldon is not mature enough to be mo or better then it could be a huge loss. It is all going to come down to what the football minds running the franchise think.
 

Pattycakes

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so i know this would be getting way ahead of ourselves, but let's say we tag mo and end up keeping him for the year... does anyone know what our cap situation is looking like the following year? maybe we can tag him this year and finally sign him next?

i know there are a ton of variables, but would it be within reason to consider it?
 
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