Really? Is this necessary. Let's move on......
I'm sure we all can be crucified for everything we ever had an opinion on.
Jets 2016 offseason discussion thread
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Really? Is this necessary. Let's move on......
I'm sure we all can be crucified for everything we ever had an opinion on.
I'm not sure why people want to cut bait on Milliner. It save exactly $0 under the cap if they cut him. Even if he has a 5% chance of turning into a good player, the risk/reward ratio obviously says you keep him.
If you find some better in camp, fine... Cut him. To do now however would be beyond dumb.
The only reason you'd cut him now would be for character concerns or if he has some of clause that guaranteed his salary further into the future. Pretty sure neither scenario applies here.
If you find some better in camp, fine... Cut him. To do now however would be beyond dumb.
The only reason you'd cut him now would be for character concerns or if he has some of clause that guaranteed his salary further into the future. Pretty sure neither scenario applies here.
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Dee Milliner is completely useless. He'll never amount to anything with the Jets. Bowles is only saying that Milliner wll compete for Cro's job. He knows Milliner is useless as evidenced by him skipping over him last season in favor of UDFA's.
The ONLY thing keeping him on his team is his 4 million cap hit. If it weren't for that, he'd be history already.
The ONLY thing keeping him on his team is his 4 million cap hit. If it weren't for that, he'd be history already.
I think a team with an abundance of cap space and a need on the D-line would seriously consider it. As we all know a player in the draft, no matter how highly touted, is still a project/gamble.As Jet fans we know that all to well, with recent top ten picks like Gholston, Robertson, and as of now Miliner. You trade for Wilkerson you get a 26 year old probowl player walking in the door. Let's say the Jaguars with a ton of cap room that they'll have to spend is looking to make a splash and upgrade their d-line. Wilkerson and their top pick from last year, Fowler, and you just seriously upgraded half your d-line. Nobody in this draft is going to make the immediate impact that Wilkerson is going to make.
If you disagree with some people around here, they make it a point to tell you how dumb you are for disagreeing with them. When you call out clear speculation, you get angry responses which suggest that fans have the inside track on what's REALLY going on.
Stop. You're making too much sense.
Don't you understand that Milliner sucks and Bowles really hates him? All the body language and innuendo is so obvious, isn't it? All you have to do is read between the lines...
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what reading between the lines are you talking about?? milliner was a healthy scratch the last 8 week's of last season.. continuing to refuse to acknowledge that is..... i don't know what the hell that is?? bowles does though.. he obviously doesn't think milliner can play or he wouldn't be glued to the bench.. why you can't see that is fairly amazing.. or perhaps you can enlighten us silly milliner detractors on why bowles refused to play him??
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Because the Jets can use that roster spot to get a PRODUCTIVE, contributing player in here. That's why it makes 100% sense. Over the last 3 seasons, what have we gotten out of Dee Milliner???
NOTHING. ZERO. ZILCH.
He's the guy that's always had sore vagina disease since he joined the league.
That's why it's important to free up his roster spot. To make room for a productive player. A player that can help this team win.
And trust me, there is NOT a 5% chance he will turn into a good player. He probably already is a good player, but his body clearly CANNOT hold up to the rigors of football.
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Well, maybe that's exactly why they didn't play Miliner the second half of the season. Even though he was "healthy" after breaking his wrist and coming of a knee and achilis injury. Maybe because Williams and Skrine were playing well behind Revis and Cromartie they felt to not get him some burn to keep him healthy. Didn't fully IR him in case of a rash of injuries to the CB's. Only Bowles and Co. know for sure.He was listed on the injury report all the way through to week 17.
I'm not a Miliner apologist, as a Jet fan i'd love nothing more than to see Miliner come to camp and prove he was worth a top ten pick. Especially seeing how he is getting paid 4 million from the Jets either way. He comes in and steps up, stays healthy and shows he belongs in the NFL at CB that'll be a huge bonus for the Jets this year. He comes in plays shitty/gets hurt, then thats what we are used to and he gets his walking papers from the organization.
Fans can call him a bum/bust all they want, that is what he's shown. I'm pretty sure those same fans would love to eat crow on him if he turns into a baller. We all will have to wait to find out,one way or the other.
Milliner will get his shot to prove he can stay healthy... He has the potential and skill set but in his defense he is made of glass... If he gets hurt one more time that it is extensive enough to have him out for a period of time or is placed on injured reserve the Jets will buy him out and release him... When he was healthy and on the field he was a force to play against, and with our current core of corners we are limited unless they sign someone in free agency or draft someone...
Yes he is on the roster because his contract is fully guaranteed... So for now, we hope for the best but knowing the next injury should be his last.
from what i remember of milliner, the only substantial impact as a jet was when he won rookie of the month..... nice honor to be sure but that month feel like an NFL career ago..
that & who says he's the same guy after tearing his achilles?? i sound like a broken record (not lost on me) but not taking a single snap the last 8 weeks last season is damming.. & yes, durning that time period bowles only trusted him to play sparingly on special teams.....
you can not teach technical prowess... he has the skill set to be a shut down corner, everything about him shouts success in this league except for his injury prone status... since his contract is guaranteed the option is clear to give him a chance to prove he can stay healthy... If he gets injured again then the team should be able to buy out his 2016 salary...
what about his reported lack of "quick twitch" athletic ability coming out of college??
how about being a 'healthy scratch" at corner the last 8 weeks this past season??
coming out of college he had the size, athleticism and good maybe not great change of direction ability. he showed that ability late in his rookie year, using his length to snatch three interceptions and could of been more...
as for why he was a healthy scratch is coming off injury(wrist), maybe he didn't progress quickly enough to get into game speed and they decided it was best not to play him where he could get injured yet again...
i can't/won't beat the mac/woody to death over hoping against hope milliner can somehow be a productive NFL corner next season.. they are on the hook for 4 million regardless..
that said, i'm not buying bowles not "risking" further injury to milliner's "wrist" when he trotted out a apparently concussed fitzpatrick.. what game was that again??
that would be the same game that Fitzpatrick fooled the sideline doctors that he wasn't concussed, maybe that Harvard brain was too intelligent for those second rated college doctors???
Todd Bowles agenda or mission statement is you earn your job or snaps... Milliner had traffic on the depth chart ahead of him, so he would of needed to outshine everyone in front of him to earn snaps... not second guessing just trying to make sense of it... when injured no matter what the injury you don't practice unless cleared by the medical people and then you have to get into game speed shape... thereafter getting into game shape could he or anyone earn snaps in practice for game time... don't have to assume he either wasn't fully cleared or because of the depth in front of him he couldn't earn snaps... like you said maybe they were being more cautious then worrying about if he could help out our secondary...
I agree with everything that you have been saying so far gmf except that Milliner has shown promise. He has stunned his entire career except for a four week stint his rookie year.
All I am saying is that Milliner deserves a shot. No one knows why Milliner hasn't planted the last 8 weeks. Maybe he was slowly being transitioned into a playing role. Also, maybe Bowles was comfortable with the way the secondary was playing that a switch was not necessary. Teams don't give up on first round talents too quickly. Next year, if he continues at the same rate, he'll follow the footsteps of Coples.
By the way, I am renaming this thread as the offseason thread. Don't see much Mo in here. Offseason is always tough to keep it in order.... Last offseason was a disaster in terms of keeping topics on topics. Let's keep the other Mo one on line.
All I am saying is that Milliner deserves a shot. No one knows why Milliner hasn't planted the last 8 weeks. Maybe he was slowly being transitioned into a playing role. Also, maybe Bowles was comfortable with the way the secondary was playing that a switch was not necessary. Teams don't give up on first round talents too quickly. Next year, if he continues at the same rate, he'll follow the footsteps of Coples.
By the way, I am renaming this thread as the offseason thread. Don't see much Mo in here. Offseason is always tough to keep it in order.... Last offseason was a disaster in terms of keeping topics on topics. Let's keep the other Mo one on line.
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Going to be a fun week no doubt about it............I am more interested in the business side lately and seeing how mac is going to negotiate these contracts......It was easy when he had 100 m in cap like last year but times are getting tougher. I think he will be fine because like I said I think from studying him and reading about him he is one of the smartest and football minded people we have had as GM maybe ever.
a top 10 pick in the draft in his mid twenties shouldn't be at the bottom of his positions depth chart..
coaches make exceptions for ballers.. always have..