Jets Expected to Pursue Guards Boling, Franklin & Carpenter
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he isn't gailey runs a more zone-blocking scheme the o-lineman have to be fast and be able to pull
Alot of the "measurements" are skewed. Not saying wont be good player. But at last years camp. He looked small in person
I must have found an older site. I checked a few more sources and your numbers seem to be the consensus. Still feels a little 'light' for a RG but better. I guess it's more in how he plays. Oddly enough, out of curiosity, I went back and checked out Dwayne White, who was a great run blocker for us in the early 90s. 6'2" 315. The NFL has changed a lot in the last 20 years.
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Giacomini is going to be our RT in 2015 - he has $4+ million in dead money with only $750K in cap savings if we release him.
No he isnt exactly a zone blocking guy, but at tackle he is fine for a season, as long as our guards get more athletic. He is a veteran player with a tough personality that is important with a young team.
We need to look to replace him in 2016 when we can save $3+ million releasing him. That can be someone in the draft (I am a big fan of Jake Fischer who will be around in the 3rd-5th round or donovan smith from PSU), or even Dozier if we fill the guard spots.
No he isnt exactly a zone blocking guy, but at tackle he is fine for a season, as long as our guards get more athletic. He is a veteran player with a tough personality that is important with a young team.
We need to look to replace him in 2016 when we can save $3+ million releasing him. That can be someone in the draft (I am a big fan of Jake Fischer who will be around in the 3rd-5th round or donovan smith from PSU), or even Dozier if we fill the guard spots.
he sucks, hopefully we find a guy in the mid to late rounds we can groom to replace him. Bottom 5 RT in the NFL. I might as well play RT on passing downs, you'd get the same results as his over paid @$$.
I think Jake Fischer will be gone in second round..very versatile..did great at combine....and no injury or character red flags....someone will grab him by middle to early second part of second round....
Did you like Brandon Moore at RG?? His playing weight was 295..
I did. I see him listed as 6'3" 305 but point taken.
It's not just weight but weight AND height, plus whether or not the OG is a waist bender or a knee bender.
Ditto height challenged OGs at 6'-2", they are lower to the ground and have an edge in getting under a defender.
Knee benders get better leverage and can make up for a weight disadvantage. I can give up as much as 10# for a solid knee bender with no history of serious knee injuries, over a similar waist bender interior lineman.
Mark Stepnoski was around 275# on that early 90s 330+ lb. Dallas OL but still one of the best Centers in football on arguably the best OL of the early 90s. He was also just shy of 6'-2" & a seriously low to the ground knee bender.
Another Dallas example of a quality knee bender on the other side of the ball is NT Jay Ratliff.
He was 6'-4" but weighed only 295#, and got so low in his stance that a rattlesnake would have had to shed his skin trying to slide under Ratliff's butt.
For HYATT™, I tend to draw the line at 6'-3" for Centers, 6'-4" for OGs, unless the player exhibits Top-10 skills, like Faneca (6'-5") did.
LG should be the lighter and faster of the 2 OGs, weighing in around 300-teens but no more than about 320 and no less than 305.
I want RGs to weigh at or above 320# but no more than the low 330s - presuming a 6'-4" height.
Give me 3 knee benders - a Center at 6'-2"/310#, a LG at 6'-4"/313#, a RG at 6'-4"/329# - and I'll give you back one of the best interior lines in football.
Ditto height challenged OGs at 6'-2", they are lower to the ground and have an edge in getting under a defender.
Knee benders get better leverage and can make up for a weight disadvantage. I can give up as much as 10# for a solid knee bender with no history of serious knee injuries, over a similar waist bender interior lineman.
Mark Stepnoski was around 275# on that early 90s 330+ lb. Dallas OL but still one of the best Centers in football on arguably the best OL of the early 90s. He was also just shy of 6'-2" & a seriously low to the ground knee bender.
Another Dallas example of a quality knee bender on the other side of the ball is NT Jay Ratliff.
He was 6'-4" but weighed only 295#, and got so low in his stance that a rattlesnake would have had to shed his skin trying to slide under Ratliff's butt.
For HYATT™, I tend to draw the line at 6'-3" for Centers, 6'-4" for OGs, unless the player exhibits Top-10 skills, like Faneca (6'-5") did.
LG should be the lighter and faster of the 2 OGs, weighing in around 300-teens but no more than about 320 and no less than 305.
I want RGs to weigh at or above 320# but no more than the low 330s - presuming a 6'-4" height.
Give me 3 knee benders - a Center at 6'-2"/310#, a LG at 6'-4"/313#, a RG at 6'-4"/329# - and I'll give you back one of the best interior lines in football.
:waving-white-flag:HYATT™;16505 said:
Just when I thought I knew something about the OL, Hyatt comes in with "knee benders" and "waist benders".
I have trouble typing this, but Hyatt is right to a large degree. It's not just numbers on a scale for guards. It's about a low center of gravity, which makes height to some degree a detriment.
I was just at a Glazier coaching clinic near Boston this past weekend, and a few of the speakers spoke about technique and positioning when it comes to zone blocking schemes, addressing some of these very issues, though going a bit more in-depth.
I was just at a Glazier coaching clinic near Boston this past weekend, and a few of the speakers spoke about technique and positioning when it comes to zone blocking schemes, addressing some of these very issues, though going a bit more in-depth.
I don't want Hyatt to misunderstand that post. It was mostly tongue-in-cheek. Sometimes you read people post things like this, and you wonder "how in the world does somebody know this?" It does make some sense.
Wrongly or rightly, there aren't many HYATT™s in the world who DO know all these mundane tidbits about everything.
That's why it's nice to have a handy resource - like a HYATT™ - around, on occasion.
Knee Benders vs Waist Benders.
It's about leverage.
Can you lift 900# by bending over and picking it up, or even shoving 900# off a chest-high bench & lifting it to head height?
No, not unless yer Superman, (no relation to our own esteemed member poster).
OL are asked to lift their own 200+ lb upper torso bulk from a squat position, put hands on a 300# defender, and lift him up off his feet. That's asking him to lift over 500# in one single fluid motion -- repeatedly, for as many as 70 or more snaps per game.
In the 9th grade HYATT™ could already seat-press, (using his legs), to lift 900# and then some. After a year of gymnastics training HYATT™ was seat-pressing in excess of 1,100#, 30 times per day, in (6) sets of five.
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HYATT™ was NOT known for his weight room acumen - EVER.
I was lucky to bench 150# a few times.
155# dripping wet me could do sprints, diving, vaulting, floor-ex and long mat tumbling, (back handsprings, back & forward somersaults, handstands, etc.) all day long but could barely do the easiest of pommel horse or rings exercises - because my leg muscles were extremely well-developed while my upper torso muscles and back were the equivalent of a 98# weakling.
Because of my innate ability with timing and motion I was pretty damn good at parallel bars and horizontal bar too, which require some upper body strength but not nearly as much as pommel or rings.
Probably why I was a decent & elusive RB but poor OT and TE in YMCA & high school football as well.
Knee benders are the NFL equivalent of matching the proper muscles to the task, to lift large weights repeatedly.
The leg muscles are FAR stronger than the waist and back muscles, that's simple anatomy 101.
Ergo, knee benders have MUCH better leverage on a big defender than do waist benders - who are using primarily abdominal and back muscles first and only bringing leg muscles into play after initial contact.
Could not agree more. It's time to build this team from the inside out.