Joe Douglas, wanna serve notice on the Pats and the rest of the league?

[Green Jets & Ham]

3 Words ...

Trent 'Silverback' Williams

Arguably the best LT in football, an absolute monster, seven straight Pro Bowls including last year.

It's now being reported that Williams is on the trade block after the Skins signed Donald Penn, and of course the Patriots are sniffing around.

DO NOT let this beast step foot in New England.

Most GM's believe our draft picks will be higher than theirs, so our picks have more value.

Since he's 31 I know we can't give Washington a 1, but OL's have a longer shelf like than most so offer them our 2 ... today!

IMO this would be the offensive equivalent of the Bears trading for Khalil Mack at just about the same time last year.

This will rock the league to it's foundation and could change the balance of power in the AFC East, and Sam would be thanking God.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

363 pass plays without a single sack. That's unreal.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I read something about durability concerns. Is he injury prone?

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I read something about durability concerns. Is he injury prone?

Yes, that's why I said in another thread, prior to this one, that I would make it a conditional 2.

For example, if he plays at least 12 Games and in the post season if we make it, it's a 2 ... case closed.

However if he plays between oh say, 8 and 11 Games, the 2 becomes a 3.

Between 6 and 8 Games, it's a 5.

Less than 6 Games and it's a 7.

That's just an example of a conditional pick, it doesn't have to be precisely that.

But reportedly RIGHT NOW he is healthy and the Patriots are sniffing around.

If he's traded to the Pats, nobody will lay a glove on Brady and even at 42 he'll look 25, probably the #1 seed and another SB too.

 

[cheaterhater]

The patriots can plug a 7 year old girl on crutches in at LT and nobody will touch brady Scarnechia would have that girl starting in the probowl. Belichick ain't giving up too much for anybody either. He knows he can plug anyone in to any position and make them the greatest American hero. Believe it or not I'm walking on air...

 

[cheaterhater]

The only way Brady gets hit is if I play left tackle for him and I turn around and clock him myself. Which I would

 

[jets82]

The only way Brady gets hit is if I play left tackle for him and I turn around and clock him myself. Which I would

Lol, Hilarious!!!

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Tape don't lie: #71

 

[hobson54]

Yes, that's why I said in another thread, prior to this one, that I would make it a conditional 2.

For example, if he plays at least 12 Games and in the post season if we make it, it's a 2 ... case closed.

However if he plays between oh say, 8 and 11 Games, the 2 becomes a 3.

Between 6 and 8 Games, it's a 5.

Less than 6 Games and it's a 7.

That's just an example of a conditional pick, it doesn't have to be precisely that.

But reportedly RIGHT NOW he is healthy and the Patriots are sniffing around.

If he's traded to the Pats, nobody will lay a glove on Brady and even at 42 he'll look 25, probably the #1 seed and another SB too.

the redskins won't take that deal with all those conditions. if you want to get him you got to be willing to take the injury risk. so if you want to stand out and call for joe to put the league on notice, you need to make an offer no one else will.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I realize that fans disregard things like cap hits, but Beachum got a 3 year, 24 million dollar deal in 2017. (12 guaranteed). Granted, I don’t know the total cap hit we’d get for releasing him after hypothetically trading for Williams, but I don’t see a scenario where we trade high draft capital to upgrade a position that’s being adequately filled right now. Williams is 31, and going to want a lot of money, as evidenced by his nasty holdout with the Skins. He’s better than Beachum, no doubt. But is he going to make that much of a difference? Beachum is slightly above average (in my analysis). But he’s also on the wrong side of 30.

So we give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick, pay this guy a lot of money, and take a cap hit on KB, and we upgrade the position how much?

Douglas is a former o-lineman. He’s gonna retool this line in the off season. He’s got KO for 3 years, Kalil for maybe 2 years, and Shell for the long term. He’ll draft a LT to replace Beachum, and find a replacement for Winters in FA. In the meantime, we can win games this season with the current starting 5, IMO.

 

[jets82]

I realize that fans disregard things like cap hits, but Beachum got a 3 year, 24 million dollar deal in 2017. (12 guaranteed). Granted, I don’t know the total cap hit we’d get for releasing him after hypothetically trading for Williams, but I don’t see a scenario where we trade high draft capital to upgrade a position that’s being adequately filled right now. Williams is 31, and going to want a lot of money, as evidenced by his nasty holdout with the Skins. He’s better than Beachum, no doubt. But is he going to make that much of a difference? Beachum is slightly above average (in my analysis). But he’s also on the wrong side of 30.

So we give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick, pay this guy a lot of money, and take a cap hit on KB, and we upgrade the position how much?

Douglas is a former o-lineman. He’s gonna retool this line in the off season. He’s got KO for 3 years, Kalil for maybe 2 years, and Shell for the long term. He’ll draft a LT to replace Beachum, and find a replacement for Winters in FA. In the meantime, we can win games this season with the current starting 5, IMO.

Agreed! If any trades need to be made at this point it has to be for a true starting CB. One that is in his prime. He doesn’t even have to be an all-pro future HOFER type like a Jalen Ramsey. Just someone that is truly serviceable. Lord knows we need it!

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I realize that fans disregard things like cap hits, but Beachum got a 3 year, 24 million dollar deal in 2017. (12 guaranteed). Granted, I don’t know the total cap hit we’d get for releasing him after hypothetically trading for Williams, but I don’t see a scenario where we trade high draft capital to upgrade a position that’s being adequately filled right now. Williams is 31, and going to want a lot of money, as evidenced by his nasty holdout with the Skins. He’s better than Beachum, no doubt. But is he going to make that much of a difference? Beachum is slightly above average (in my analysis). But he’s also on the wrong side of 30.

So we give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick, pay this guy a lot of money, and take a cap hit on KB, and we upgrade the position how much?

Douglas is a former o-lineman. He’s gonna retool this line in the off season. He’s got KO for 3 years, Kalil for maybe 2 years, and Shell for the long term. He’ll draft a LT to replace Beachum, and find a replacement for Winters in FA. In the meantime, we can win games this season with the current starting 5, IMO.

I finally agree with you 100%. As much as I would want another Williams on the team. I wouldn't want to give up more than a 3rd for him and the skins won't do that yet. Beachum was Bell's LT when he had his best season. To me that chemistry with Beachum is a big deal often overlooked. He was decent last year with an awful starting 5. He will be much better with KO next to him and then Khalil next to him. Williams would be an incredible upgrade at LT, but not when we still have to pay Beachum and give Williams a big contract. At this point if Douglas goes after Williams then I will be behind him 100%.

 

[hobson54]

I realize that fans disregard things like cap hits, but Beachum got a 3 year, 24 million dollar deal in 2017. (12 guaranteed). Granted, I don’t know the total cap hit we’d get for releasing him after hypothetically trading for Williams, but I don’t see a scenario where we trade high draft capital to upgrade a position that’s being adequately filled right now. Williams is 31, and going to want a lot of money, as evidenced by his nasty holdout with the Skins. He’s better than Beachum, no doubt. But is he going to make that much of a difference? Beachum is slightly above average (in my analysis). But he’s also on the wrong side of 30.

So we give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick, pay this guy a lot of money, and take a cap hit on KB, and we upgrade the position how much?

Douglas is a former o-lineman. He’s gonna retool this line in the off season. He’s got KO for 3 years, Kalil for maybe 2 years, and Shell for the long term. He’ll draft a LT to replace Beachum, and find a replacement for Winters in FA. In the meantime, we can win games this season with the current starting 5, IMO.

fwiw - the dead cap hit on beachum wouldn't be that large. most of his guaranteed monies were in the way of guaranteed base salaries for 2017 and 2018 and his initial signing bonus ($4.5 million on a 3-year contract). so the dead money would only be $1.5 million if the cut/trade him. his cap hit for the year is $9.5 million ($8 million base plus $1.5 million bonus allocation) so if you swap williams for him, you deduct the $8 million removal of his contract from whatever williams gets.

now i don't know if i would do it for beachum and a 2nd. hard call, given williams' recent injury history. but that cap hit wouldn't be a major determining factor

https://overthecap.com/player/kelvin-beachum/1614/