agree!!
John Clayton guarantees Redskins to take Mariota at 5 if there
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agree!!
I don't think "guarantee" means what John Clayton thinks it means.
The Redskins might decide to blow it up with RG3 and start all over again with Mariota, who happens to have a very similar skill set, the operative word being MIGHT, but we're talking about a seismic shift and giving up on the #2 Pick only a few years ago who you traded a kings ransom to move up for, who by no means can you close the book on yet as having a chance to be a franchise QB because so much of his young career (like Bradford) has been derailed by injuries, so that makes it even more difficult to say "oh the hell with it, lets just blow it up, cut our substantial losses, and start all over again with another young QB who comes with the same physical skill set as the one we are kicking to the curb."
Clayton makes that decision seem like an easy one, and his use of the word "guarantee" is comical, and painfully naive.
The Redskins might decide to blow it up with RG3 and start all over again with Mariota, who happens to have a very similar skill set, the operative word being MIGHT, but we're talking about a seismic shift and giving up on the #2 Pick only a few years ago who you traded a kings ransom to move up for, who by no means can you close the book on yet as having a chance to be a franchise QB because so much of his young career (like Bradford) has been derailed by injuries, so that makes it even more difficult to say "oh the hell with it, lets just blow it up, cut our substantial losses, and start all over again with another young QB who comes with the same physical skill set as the one we are kicking to the curb."
Clayton makes that decision seem like an easy one, and his use of the word "guarantee" is comical, and painfully naive.
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They have a new hot GM over there who is very adept in seeing talent - McCloughan. If he's on board with Gruden regarding RGIII, make no mistake, he's out. A new GM has the free pass on working with a new regime like ours is. I can believe this will happen.
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Chip Kelly says he thinks Marcus Mariota is the best QB on draft, but wants to "dispel" rumors. Says he won't mortgage the future.
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Chip Kelly says he thinks Marcus Mariota is the best QB on draft, but wants to "dispel" rumors. Says he won't mortgage the future.
Retweeted by Brian Costello
Hope somebody takes him before us. I want Cooper or a DE. We need a stud WR for future and I'm tired of having nobody that can get to QB. Mariota might be good in future in right system, but I want a real franchise QB.
It might happen, I don't discount the possibility, but this would be a seismic shift and a costly one for the Redskins, and I don't care who you are, old GM or new one, nobody wants to cost their boss all of the time, draft picks and money that have been invested in a former #2 overall pick in his mid 20's unless they are absolutely certain his career will never amount to a hill of beans, and they better be pretty damn certain Mariota's will, because this is the kind of decision that gets people fired if it blows up in their faces, either way, with RG3 going on to have a good career elsewhere and/or Mariota not becoming what they think/hope he will be.
All that said, they might decide to do it anyway, but the right word here is might, not guarantee. There's way too much at stake here, way too many considerations, for Clayton to guarantee anything about this pick. He can have an opinion about what the Redskins might do, but as I said at the outset, I don't think guarantee means what John Clayton thinks it means.
Thats the problem with ESPN, too much acting like they have all the answers when they don't even know the questions.
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But couldn't this be a major reason why they got a new GM? Bruce Allen had been that person throughout the RGIII era. I'll say this, the media reporting of FA transactions has been really accurate. Even Manish has been hitting on his calls. I don't dis-count this report. This marks a 2nd consecutive coach who has been livid with this kid. And I'll say this: if he's available, I don't touch him with a 20-foot pole.
I think its just as likely that the Redskins are leaking misinformation to John Clayton and using him as a propaganda tool, which would better explain too me how he could use the word "guarantee" with such certainty. I have no doubt this was fed to him by the Redskins, but at this time of year smoke-screens and propaganda abound, and these people are not averse to using the media to promote their lies if its to their advantage, and its definitely to the Redskins advantage to create the impression that they are ready to pounce on Mariota at 5. The market for that #5 Pick increases exponentially if people believe they are prepared to give up on RG3 and take Mariota if they remain at 5 and he's there.
Or they could be blabbing their real thoughts and intentions to a guy who will promptly report it to the rest of the league on ESPN, at a time when every GM in the league is reluctant to tell their own mothers who they might pick. I suppose its possible the Redskins are using reverse psychology here and telling Clayton the truth about their intentions, assuming other GM's will dismiss it as subterfuge, but I'm more apt to believe they are preying on his vanity and ego and feeding him misinformation, because it serves their purpose to do so.
agreed.
there's no way any team leaks their real intentions to an nfl talking head
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Agree.
The other fact is Dan Snyder. Didn't he just announce a few weeks ago that RGIII will be the starter this year? He is a hard headed guy. I'm don't think he cares what his GM's and HC think. It's all about his ego
But the Redskins don't have a franchise QB right now. Therefore, they shouldn't take anyone.
That's the narrative I've been hearing. If you don't have a franchise QB, you suck, and therefore should not make any moves, thereby continuing to suck. If you bring in a potential franchise QB, he'll be a flop, anyway.
It's especially true with the Jets, because the Jets are supposed to suck, and if the Jets got good, the media could no longer push their Jetshate and LOLJets storylines. But it's also true for the Redskins.
So, because the Skins don't have a franchise QB, they shouldn't bother trying to get one.
That's the narrative I've been hearing. If you don't have a franchise QB, you suck, and therefore should not make any moves, thereby continuing to suck. If you bring in a potential franchise QB, he'll be a flop, anyway.
It's especially true with the Jets, because the Jets are supposed to suck, and if the Jets got good, the media could no longer push their Jetshate and LOLJets storylines. But it's also true for the Redskins.
So, because the Skins don't have a franchise QB, they shouldn't bother trying to get one.
It was the Browns. The browns were also in on the bidding for Bradford and lost out to the Eagles because the Rams wanted a QB back in the trade. After the trade was executed Foles for Braford, reportedly, the Browns called the Eagles and offered their lower first rd pick (remember they have 2 first rd picks this year due to the Sammy Watkins trade), but the Eagles declined. It's a true story.
I was thinking the same thing. If you look at that trade chart it's actually a 3rd gets it done. You have a shot at getting someone who could be a franchise QB. I think you keep taking shots until that happens.
It's part hard headed and part money driven. The DC area is a melting pot due to the government being here and this area has a very diverse population. rG3 jerseys sell like crazy in DC, PG county, and the surrounding area. The longer RG3 is the franchise QB, the more Snyder cashes in on the brand. He is a very popular player here despite his limited success. A lot of fans want the Redskins to build a college offense he can be successful in and don't care he doesn't work hard in the offseason, they just care about his raw talent. Snyder knows when they pull the plug on RG3, it's like closing a business line that making profit even if it isn't as successful as you hope...you're still making a healthy profit off it. The skins will eventually need to decide if winning or making lots of money is their goal. Since Snyder has owned the teAm, he runs its like a fan, not like an owner hell bent on winning despite what fans may think (think of the pats letting Revis, Browner, and Vareen walk and don't care about the fans reaction, that would never happen in DC).
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Fan logic can be ridiculous. Their prevailing logic is that teams that are contenders are the only worth candidates to sign top talent. It's asanine on so many levels. You are essentially saying then that everyone else should simply give up. I guess 4th place finishes to 1st never happen, right? There's no basis to such logic yet it prevails.
It did here when some folks brought up Revis a few weeks ago. The firestorm was intense in that many posters said the team wasn't worthy to sign Revis. That and they just flat out hated him. I don't know where those posters went...they got quiet.
this is interesting for the Jets.
Browns have #12 and #19 picks. Now lets say that Mariotta is there at #6 . Could a three way deal work in which Bradford goes to Browns for one of those picks and the Jets get the Eagles #20 and either the #12 or #19 .....? Could we also get the Eagles 2016 1st or 2nd round pick?
If we dont believe in Mariotta and Kelly does believe in him, that sort of three way deal - doable only when the jets are on the clock - makes sense.
Yes, except mariota isnt falling to 6. I'd love 2 first rd picks in this year's draft...in that scenario we may get Beasely OLB and maybe Gurley RB or even trade back again with the 2nd 1st rd pick, get a 2nd in this draft and a 1 in the next one and stockpile to a team trying to trade up from rd 2 back into rd 1... Lots of option if we trade back...but I think Mariota goes top 5 to a team that trades in front of us...