Lee and Davis are SO BAD....

[Mainejet]

This game was bordering on Keystone Cops today. Were either one of those two able to win a single battle against a Guard? It's even more inexcusable for Davis, he actually has decent size to play the position. Lee is so badly miscast in this defense, it's like watching Jon Vilma in 2006.

What's worse is that our GM has no idea who he wants or needs?

Demario Davis was not resigned for a reason. He could NOT cover the wheel route. So he was allowed to leave through FA. Did Mac think that one year away in Cleveland made him better equipped to do things he couldn't in 2015? I have NO idea WTF Mac was thinking bringing Davis back? Does anyone know?

It's clear now that Darron Lee is a bust. He's very clearly been tasked to do things he's incapable of doing. A 3-4 base defense puts Lee in a position where he's lost. How many times did he need to get caught out of position before the CS would finally do something about it? McCoy owned Davis and Lee today.

If it weren't for the exceptional play of Adams and Maye this could have been far worse.

 

[Elias]

This game was bordering on Keystone Cops today. Were either one of those two able to win a single battle against a Guard? It's even more inexcusable for Davis, he actually has decent size to play the position. Lee is so badly miscast in this defense, it's like watching Jon Vilma in 2006.

What's worse is that our GM has no idea who he wants or needs?

Demario Davis was not resigned for a reason. He could NOT cover the wheel route. So he was allowed to leave through FA. Did Mac think that one year away in Cleveland made him better equipped to do things he couldn't in 2015? I have NO idea WTF Mac was thinking bringing Davis back? Does anyone know?

It's clear now that Darron Lee is a bust. He's very clearly been tasked to do things he's incapable of doing. A 3-4 base defense puts Lee in a position where he's lost. How many times did he need to get caught out of position before the CS would finally do something about it? McCoy owned Davis and Lee today.

If it weren't for the exceptional play of Adams and Maye this could have been far worse.

davis I think is a solid linebacker unless he has to cover the right end. Lee made some plays today but I don't think he is living up to his first round draft pick status. We need to surround this team with playmakers on defense and they will all start to look better. Still missing that pass rusher since John abraham.

We have a ton of money next season. Any free agents that can rush the passer?

 

[SackExchange]

Lee is not yet living up to his draft status, but it's selective viewing to call him so bad. That wasn't the case today, unless you want him to be bad to justify your preconceived notions of him.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Lee is not yet living up to his draft status, but it's selective viewing to call him so bad. That wasn't the case today, unless you want him to be bad to justify your preconceived notions of him.

Lee just never makes a big play.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Then again nobody on the Jets makes big plays either.

 

[Mainejet]

Lee is not yet living up to his draft status, but it's selective viewing to call him so bad. That wasn't the case today, unless you want him to be bad to justify your preconceived notions of him.

Talking 100% objectively, Sack....... Please point out all the good stuff he did today? What I saw was a kid that was consistently caught out of position. SNY talked about in extensive detail. Then? I saw him make a decent tackle on McCoy late in the game when it was all academic? So good play, but what happened for the prior 59 minutes of the game?

And be that as it may with Lee, what about Davis??? No one is talking about this and it bears mentioning. Demario Davis was allowed to leave via FA because he got beaten like a drum covering the wheel route. It was the biggest, most glaring weakness of the defense in 2015.

Now? Suddenly? Mac and the CS must think he is a BETTER player than in 2015, right? I mean they actually traded for him, did they not?

So all in all, I don't get it? I'm convinced Mac has NO idea how to select linebackers to play in this defense? He doesn't ever bother to watch and understand the failures of administrations from the past (like Mangini trying to get Vilma to play in a 3-4, when he's so severely undersized and miscast). Now he's resorted to bringing back players that were obvious failures from the past?

 

[gastineau]

I'm not going to bash a rookie to much in his first game . But do expect rookies to get better & coached better! Long as I see 100% effort out of every single Jet Player this season I;ll be ok.

 

[NCgreen12]

I'm not going to bash a rookie to much in his first game . But do expect rookies to get better & coached better! Long as I see 100% effort out of every single Jet Player this season I;ll be ok.

It's the coaching I think is suspect starting at the top. Why is it almost every week the Bowles post game presser talks about players being out of position. Bowles and his coaches has never been able to instill discipline into their players. Some of its is certainly the player but coaching has a lot to do with it.

 

[lounap23]

This Defense is always put of of position and intercommunicating... At what point do we realize Bowles is not the defensive genius we thought he would be. It's time to move on from him... His system doesn't work with these players and his HC skills are poor at best

 

[Elias]

3. There were plenty of Jets players who did not play well Sunday, so it would be easy to zero in on any of them. To me, though, the one who should cause the greatest concern is linebacker Darron Lee. The 2016 first-round pick had a shaky rookie season. You can give him a pass because he was a rookie, and he had a bad ankle injury. But the pressure is on him this season, and Sunday he did not play well.

Pro Football Focus had Lee allowing a 134.7 passer rating when he was in coverage. He gave up four four receptions on six targets for 54 yards and a touchdown. Coverage was what Lee was supposed to excel at coming out of Ohio State. Instead, he constantly looks like he is a step behind the man he is covering.

To be fair, Lee did play the run pretty well. He had two run stops and sacked Taylor when he scrambled.

This season is all about finding out who will be the core of this team moving forward. The jury is out on whether Lee should be part of that core.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/11/the-two-predictable-and-sad-failures-of-todd-bowles/

 

[Mainejet]

I'm not going to bash a rookie to much in his first game . But do expect rookies to get better & coached better! Long as I see 100% effort out of every single Jet Player this season I;ll be ok.

What rookie might you be talking about? I don't think any rookies are being criticized in this thread. Lee's been on this team for a whole season now..........

 

[jetgreen13]

davis I think is a solid linebacker unless he has to cover the right end. Lee made some plays today but I don't think he is living up to his first round draft pick status. We need to surround this team with playmakers on defense and they will all start to look better. Still missing that pass rusher since John abraham.

We have a ton of money next season. Any free agents that can rush the passer?

come on E.. maccagnan/bowles drafted lee to be a playmaker!!

remember, lee was supposed to be the 'hybrid" LB that bowles' "defensive scheme" needed to really to get things rolling on that side of the ball..

so much for that horse shit.....

 

[SackExchange]

come on E.. maccagnan/bowles drafted lee to be a playmaker!!

remember, lee was supposed to be the 'hybrid" LB that bowles' "defensive scheme" needed to really to get things rolling on that side of the ball..

so much for that horse shit.....

Well, to be fair, Lee did put on a lot more weight, which is something some of his detractors on this very board wanted him to do. He's no longer the hybrid body type he was.

 

[jetgreen13]

Well, to be fair, Lee did put on a lot more weight, which is something some of his detractors on this very board wanted him to do. He's no longer the hybrid body type he was.

problem is, he doesn't seem to be any closer to being playmaker with his supposed weight gain either..

or maybe the problem is, he was a 4-3 ILB in college & has no business playing as a ILB in a 3-4 base defense in the pros??

or maybe the problem is he won't make it past his rookie contract??

what isn't a maybe is, there absolutely is a problem..

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

When the Jets traded to acquire an ex-jet .... the Tank was official!

 

[soj]

MJ, I been hesitant to agree with you on Lee but yesterday was the clincher for me. He was out of position on so many plays I stop watching him and his coverage ability is just plain bad.

As for davis, I am not sure I agree with your narrative regarding "MAc when out and traded for him." The more likely scenario is they wanted to move him because of his contract, we knew we were cutting harris and well the rest is history. Frankly, neither one of us knows for sure, at least I wasn't privy to the details and or demands and unless you were I am not sure your right. .

PS. davis still can not cover either...

 

[Mainejet]

Well, to be fair, Lee did put on a lot more weight, which is something some of his detractors on this very board wanted him to do. He's no longer the hybrid body type he was.

He did?! How much has he gained? Is there an article verifying that? Because I still see a 215 Minnie Mouse getting torched in coverage?

 

[Mainejet]

MJ, I been hesitant to agree with you on Lee but yesterday was the clincher for me. He was out of position on so many plays I stop watching him and his coverage ability is just plain bad.

As for davis, I am not sure I agree with your narrative regarding "MAc when out and traded for him." The more likely scenario is they wanted to move him because of his contract, we knew we were cutting harris and well the rest is history. Frankly, neither one of us knows for sure, at least I wasn't privy to the details and or demands and unless you were I am not sure your right. .

PS. davis still can not cover either...

I never thought about that in reference to Davis? Sounds logical? But he still can't cover the wheel route.

 

[SackExchange]

problem is, he doesn't seem to be any closer to being playmaker with his supposed weight gain either..

or maybe the problem is, he was a 4-3 ILB in college & has no business playing as a ILB in a 3-4 base defense in the pros??

or maybe the problem is he won't make it past his rookie contract??

what isn't a maybe is, there absolutely is a problem..

There is a problem. And Bowles plays too many guys out of position, I agree. I have long critiqued him for that.

 

[Elias]

There is a problem. And Bowles plays too many guys out of position, I agree. I have long critiqued him for that.

I don't understand why coaches are so stubborn to have players fit their system rather than building a system around the players we have. That would be the first question I'd ask in a coaching interview. We have Sheldon Richardson, he's good at doing this and that. How do you intend to use him?

If they can answer that question well, I'd consider them for the role. Otherwise, I'd move on.