Mac - Needs a TD Tonight

[Mainejet]

If Fitz is our qb, our offense should be much better than last year.

Tight End is barely used in Gaileys offense. Having said that, the return of Amaro should do wonders for us at that position. In addition, Enunwa has one more year under his belt as the Hback. He was raw to begin with. Hopefully with another offseason program he's able to build on what he learned last year. His speed and blocking is hard to match up with and creates mismatches.

Second, we've signed Matt Forte who's a better better fit for this offense than Chris Ivory ever was due to his catching ability. Powell who was the more explosive back last year should also see more playing time. He was held back last year because we had to give the rock to Ivory.

Oline may potentially be an upgrade too. Brick was declining. Maybe someone steps up and supplants Breno. Doesn't take much of an upgrade there. I'm hoping Qvale gets the nod. Management is high on him.

We've improved the punt returning position. Whoever wins there should be an upgrade to Mr. Fair Catch. I expect us to have better field position this year compared to last year.

You're taking an optimistic standpoint on their draft. We could argue everything you posted here, but really the win total is what ultimately grades your draft. So lets hear it Elias. How many games will the Jets win this season?

I already said, they did NOTHING to improve the offense. They got an OT, yes, but he'll need to be developed. He's not a day 1 starter. And likely he's depth at best, So once again the starting 5 was not improved at all. You could say Matt Forte is an improvement over Ivory. Not a huge amount, but a little due to pass catching ability I agree. So I guess I was wrong. They improved at RB.

Other than that, they improved nowhere. They play one of the hardest schedules in the league in 2016 and the top 5 defenses in the league. The Jets only beat one team per season with a winning record. Their aging roster did not get a youth infusion, what came out of the draft is what we expected all along. Now, their aging starting roster just got a year older.

All things considered, this team will hard pressed to win anything better than 6 games this season. They are screwed this season as far as I am concerned and unless they are miraculously able to add another 3 players via FA, this team does NOT have the good to compete with the best teams in the league.

 

[SackExchange]

You're taking an optimistic standpoint on their draft. We could argue everything you posted here, but really the win total is what ultimately grades your draft. So lets hear it Elias. How many games will the Jets win this season?

I already said, they did NOTHING to improve the offense. They got an OT, yes, but he'll need to be developed. He's not a day 1 starter. And likely he's depth at best, So once again the starting 5 was not improved at all. You could say Matt Forte is an improvement over Ivory. Not a huge amount, but a little due to pass catching ability I agree. So I guess I was wrong. They improved at RB.

Other than that, they improved nowhere. They play one of the hardest schedules in the league in 2016 and the top 5 defenses in the league. The Jets only beat one team per season with a winning record. Their aging roster did not get a youth infusion, what came out of the draft is what we expected all along. Now, their aging starting roster just got a year older.

All things considered, this team will hard pressed to win anything better than 6 games this season. They are screwed this season as far as I am concerned and unless they are miraculously able to add another 3 players via FA, this team does NOT have the good to compete with the best teams in the league.

And you're taking a pessimistic view of their draft. I don't know how someone can be critical of every move, and then blast others as biased for being supportive of their moves. That seems incredibly hypocritical.

For the record, the Jets could have a better team than last year AND a lower win total, just as a result of their brutal schedule.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Several posters have alluded to Winters as one of the guys that needs to be replaced. Was no one paying attention last season as Winters improved significantly? By the end of the season he was a very good OG.

Winters improved from "God awful" to decent in my eyes. I don't think he's a bad RG, I was just thinking Whitehair would've been an improvement.

 

[Mainejet]

And you're taking a pessimistic view of their draft. I don't know how someone can be critical of every move, and then blast others as biased for being supportive of their moves. That seems incredibly hypocritical.

For the record, the Jets could have a better team than last year AND a lower win total, just as a result of their brutal schedule.

So you're already making up excuses for the team?

 

[hobson54]

if hackenberg becomes a quality starting QB, or better, than macc hit a HR in this draft. all the pundits and arm chair experts in the world can debate till their hearts delight. this will be decided in the next few years on the field

imo, the rest of the draft was solid, but not spectacular. rebuilding the LB corps was a major plus. i can't say i know anything (other than what i've read here and elsewhere post draft) on the player we took after lee and hackenberg, so i won't pretend to be an expert. but in my very amateurish opinion, jenkins seems like a hard eged LBer we need to replace pace, burris has nice size and measureables to add quality depth to the secondary, shell seems to be a decent RT prospect (although i don't love trading away next year's 4th for him, but i will have to trust macc and the scouts in their evaluation of him), peake looks like a possible steal in the 7th, and we added 2 quality punters (who by default are an upgrade over quigley).

in the end, hackenberg makes or breaks the draft. if he hits, it's an A draft. if he flops, it's a B or lower, depending on how the other guys work out. of course, if darren lee becomes the next sean lee (without the injuries), then that would also be huge.

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

I am taking a longer term view of this draft. I believe Lee and Jenkins will be starters by year-end, if not sooner, which will allow Mac to either cut or re-do David Harris' contract next year. That's a big save. When was the last time we got anything from a third round pick? Davis started for a few years but that was given to him by default.

I also like the Burris pick who I hope will be either starting opposite Revis or first off the bench by year end. A wild card here is Shell. The great GM find talent in the middle rounds. If Shell becomes a starter then we truly have a plan in place to make this team great.

We all have a tendency to say a draft cannot be truly evaluated for a few years, which is true. To me that means that mid-round second year guys need to start contributing something to the team. Jarvis Harrison needs to be on the team this year with potential to start. He needs to show something in the pre-season and push Winters hard. The Winters I watched last year was still terrible. He needs to be replaced.

I am hoping Devin Smith is not Milliner v2. He's gotten off to a rough start but by year-end we need to see a speedster who can stay on and open up the field. Petty and Simon need to show improvement this preseason. I don't think either will be on the roster opening day but we need to see why they were taken by Mac.

 

[flgreen]

if hackenberg becomes a quality starting QB, or better, than macc hit a HR in this draft. all the pundits and arm chair experts in the world can debate till their hearts delight. this will be decided in the next few years on the field

imo, the rest of the draft was solid, but not spectacular. rebuilding the LB corps was a major plus. i can't say i know anything (other than what i've read here and elsewhere post draft) on the player we took after lee and hackenberg, so i won't pretend to be an expert. but in my very amateurish opinion, jenkins seems like a hard eged LBer we need to replace pace, burris has nice size and measureables to add quality depth to the secondary, shell seems to be a decent RT prospect (although i don't love trading away next year's 4th for him, but i will have to trust macc and the scouts in their evaluation of him), peake looks like a possible steal in the 7th, and we added 2 quality punters (who by default are an upgrade over quigley).

in the end, hackenberg makes or breaks the draft. if he hits, it's an A draft. if he flops, it's a B or lower, depending on how the other guys work out. of course, if darren lee becomes the next sean lee (without the injuries), then that would also be huge.

Think you pretty much nailed it. Solid but not spectacular.

Have to give the draft an inc. Not crazy about Hackenberg in the 2nd. If he was taken in the 4th I would have liked the draft much better. I had Cook above Hack, and Cook went in the 4th.

With that said, if Hackenberg is the starter in 17, and winning games it's a home run. If he's playing the way he played the last 2 years, not so much

 

[hobson54]

Think you pretty much nailed it. Solid but not spectacular.

Have to give the draft an inc. Not crazy about Hackenberg in the 2nd. If he was taken in the 4th I would have liked the draft much better. I had Cook above Hack, and Cook went in the 4th.

With that said, if Hackenberg is the starter in 17, and winning games it's a home run. If he's playing the way he played the last 2 years, not so much

i actually liked hackenberg over cook, and was perfectly fine rolling the dice on him in the 2nd. i think hackenberg has a much higher ceiling than cook, but also presents a bigger bust factor. i guess i'd rather swing for the fences on the QB pick. hack seems to be the better athlete, has the better arm, and from what i've heard, cook is a major d-bag who was not liked by his teammates (admittedly said speculation comes largely from a michigan message board, so i understand the inherent bias of an arch-rivals message board)

 

[flgreen]

i actually liked hackenberg over cook, and was perfectly fine rolling the dice on him in the 2nd. i think hackenberg has a much higher ceiling than cook, but also presents a bigger bust factor. i guess i'd rather swing for the fences on the QB pick. hack seems to be the better athlete, has the better arm, and from what i've heard, cook is a major d-bag who was not liked by his teammates (admittedly said speculation comes largely from a michigan message board, so i understand the inherent bias of an arch-rivals message board)

That's cool. That's what opinions are about. Penn St. happens to be one of about 6 teams that I watch regularly during the season.

Hack's accuracy is very scary, even when he has time, he sometimes makes mind numbing throws and decisions. No denying he has physical talent though.

We'll have to wait and see if Chan can get the best out of him. I'm rooting for the kid, if he fulfills his potential the 2nd or the 4th round will be a moot point.

 

[SackExchange]

So you're already making up excuses for the team?

Excuses? Pointing out a fact about the schedule is not making excuses.

I know you don't like Bowles for a variety of reasons, one of them being your Rex love.

 

[SackExchange]

if hackenberg becomes a quality starting QB, or better, than macc hit a HR in this draft. all the pundits and arm chair experts in the world can debate till their hearts delight. this will be decided in the next few years on the field

imo, the rest of the draft was solid, but not spectacular. rebuilding the LB corps was a major plus. i can't say i know anything (other than what i've read here and elsewhere post draft) on the player we took after lee and hackenberg, so i won't pretend to be an expert. but in my very amateurish opinion, jenkins seems like a hard eged LBer we need to replace pace, burris has nice size and measureables to add quality depth to the secondary, shell seems to be a decent RT prospect (although i don't love trading away next year's 4th for him, but i will have to trust macc and the scouts in their evaluation of him), peake looks like a possible steal in the 7th, and we added 2 quality punters (who by default are an upgrade over quigley).

in the end, hackenberg makes or breaks the draft. if he hits, it's an A draft. if he flops, it's a B or lower, depending on how the other guys work out. of course, if darren lee becomes the next sean lee (without the injuries), then that would also be huge.

As of now, which is ridiculously premature and pretty much useless, but as of now, I would give it a low B. If he fits Lee into the system the way he intends, it becomes a high B or a low A. Hackenberg becoming a franchise guy, and it's a high A.

I trust Maccagnan's judgment of talent a lot more than my own, and certainly more than other posters here. That said, there are questions about Lee's fit in the system (though he is a good value pick) and about Hackenberg's productivity on the field.

 

[Elias]

As of now, which is ridiculously premature and pretty much useless, but as of now, I would give it a low B. If he fits Lee into the system the way he intends, it becomes a high B or a low A. Hackenberg becoming a franchise guy, and it's a high A.

I trust Maccagnan's judgment of talent a lot more than my own, and certainly more than other posters here. That said, there are questions about Lee's fit in the system (though he is a good value pick) and about Hackenberg's productivity on the field.

Professor Sack!

 

[SackExchange]

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