Maccagnan says Hackenberg could play this year

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PFT -- The Jets possibly didn’t devote a second-round pick to quarterback Christian Hackenberg to have him hold a clipboard in 2016.

G.M. Mike Maccagnan told WEPN-FM in New York on Monday that Hackenberg could play as a rookie.

“I think, with any player coming into the league, there’s definitely a maturation process, and it doesn’t matter, again, what position you play,” Maccagnan said, via Dom Cosentino of NJ.com. “I think quarterbacks are probably one of the harder positions to transition into the NFL. I know there’s always a desire and feel to have them go out there and play right away. The reality of it is, though, it’s going to be determined by how he does. And I think my personal opinion is we’ll see where he’s at and how he is in terms of assimilating to our offense and our system. But like I said, I think it’s a natural maturation process.”

Maccagnan apparently hopes that Hackenberg, who played his best college football as a true freshman at Penn State, will have an extended maturation process.

“I think in a perfect world, especially with quarterbacks — some quarterbacks come in and play right away, and some do well, and some struggle, and they go through growing pains,” Maccagnan said. “But I think at the end of the day, in a perfect world, you like to give those guys a chance to sort of grow, develop before you have to throw them into the fire.”

Maccagnan also addresses a broader question that many Jets fans have asked since the Hackenberg pick was made: Why him?
“I can’t really have insight into how everybody views him and sees him,” Maccagnan said. “I just know that we liked him and we thought he was a good prospect. Again, there’s risk. We know that. But we also think that there’s also a lot of potential there to develop into a very good player, too.”

By rolling the dice on Hackenberg, Jets management now has a vested interest in him, which means at some point they’ll get him onto the field to see what he can do. If Ryan Fitzpatrick returns, that likely won’t happen at least until the Jets are eliminated from postseason contention in 2016.

If Fitzpatrick doesn’t re-sign, who knows? The Hackenberg Show could be debuting just down the road from Hackensack.
 

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kind of a mis-leading headline. unless macc was 100% ruling out him playing this year, it's really meaningless to make that headline. macc was much more tempered in his comments and didn't really reveal anything new here. not sure why this would be worthy of its own thread rather than just added to the existing hackenberg thread. now we will have the same discussion in 2 threads...
 

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kind of a mis-leading headline. unless macc was 100% ruling out him playing this year, it's really meaningless to make that headline. macc was much more tempered in his comments and didn't really reveal anything new here. not sure why this would be worthy of its own thread rather than just added to the existing hackenberg thread. now we will have the same discussion in 2 threads...

The other thread is for the prospect Hackenberg taken in the draft... What his skill set is and if he can develop into something special or be another dud...

This thread has to do more with the future or present of the team right now if he was to be named the starter going into the season... Could he win now with the talent currently on the roster or would it be another bonehead move by an organization in dire need of finding that guy...

If he is the starter heading into the season what does that mean for Fitzpatrick, Geno and Petty...

As for the headline, it isn't misleading just stating what Maccagnan stated Hackenberg could play this year, shit he could start open game of the season...
 

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The other thread is for the prospect Hackenberg taken in the draft... What his skill set is and if he can develop into something special or be another dud...

This thread has to do more with the future or present of the team right now if he was to be named the starter going into the season... Could he win now with the talent currently on the roster or would it be another bonehead move by an organization in dire need of finding that guy...

If he is the starter heading into the season what does that mean for Fitzpatrick, Geno and Petty...

As for the headline, it isn't misleading just stating what Maccagnan stated Hackenberg could play this year, shit he could start open game of the season...
He's basically saying it's an open competition, they aren't married to anyone. Mac and Bowles have also said if Fitz signs, he's the starter.

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He's basically saying it's an open competition, they aren't married to anyone. Mac and Bowles have also said if Fitz signs, he's the starter.

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agreed...

nothing is set in stone, with or without Ftizpatrick it is anyone's job to take...
 

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Again, there’s risk. We know that. But we also think that there’s also a lot of potential there to develop into a very good player, too.”
this was the most interesting part of the interview for me..

i can't ever remember mac giving petty that level of praise..

i'm getting more excited about us drafting hackenberg literally on a daily basis..
 

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this was the most interesting part of the interview for me..

i can't ever remember mac giving petty that level of praise..

i'm getting more excited about us drafting hackenberg literally on a daily basis..
Hack absolutely has talent, it's truly unknown how that translates. Gailey is the guy to work on him, but how many reps will he see?

Mac also said that geno hadn't thrown a meaningful pass since he was punched until Oakland, and he thought his Oakland performance wasn't bad considering that fact.

What the hell dies that mean for qb 3 and 4?

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Hack absolutely has talent, it's truly unknown how that translates.
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I feel like this could be said about any QB drafted (otherwise they wouldn't be drafted!) but Hack's case is DEFINITELY unique. Technically they already "know" his talent translates to the NFL game because of his success with O'Brien. So is our bigger concern whether he has the necessary DNA of an NFL QB or whether he STILL has said DNA?
 

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I feel like this could be said about any QB drafted (otherwise they wouldn't be drafted!) but Hack's case is DEFINITELY unique. Technically they already "know" his talent translates to the NFL game because of his success with O'Brien. So is our bigger concern whether he has the necessary DNA of an NFL QB or whether he STILL has said DNA?
Clearly anyone in the nfl has talent, I'd stipulate that he has the tools to justify getting excited about above your average qb.

My only concern is, has 2 bad years on an awful team caused him to pick up terrible habits out of his need to live through a career with 100 sacks? And at 4th string, will he even have enough time to work?

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Hack absolutely has talent, it's truly unknown how that translates. Gailey is the guy to work on him, but how many reps will he see?

Mac also said that geno hadn't thrown a meaningful pass since he was punched until Oakland, and he thought his Oakland performance wasn't bad considering that fact.

What the hell dies that mean for qb 3 and 4?

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double post..
 
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Hack absolutely has talent, it's truly unknown how that translates. Gailey is the guy to work on him, but how many reps will he see?

Mac also said that geno hadn't thrown a meaningful pass since he was punched until Oakland, and he thought his Oakland performance wasn't bad considering that fact.

What the hell dies that mean for qb 3 and 4?

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not to hijack the thread but my belief is fitzpatrick will eventually re-sign.. smith will get traded for a "bag of rocks" or cut.. petty & hackenberg will fight it out for 2nd on the depth chart..
 

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not to hijack the thread but my belief is fitzpatrick will eventually re-sign.. smith will get traded for a "bag of rocks" or cut.. petty & hackenberg will fight it out for 2nd on the depth chart..
I'm not completely sure we won't carry 4

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not to hijack the thread but my belief is fitzpatrick will eventually re-sign.. smith will get traded for a "bag of rocks" or cut.. petty & hackenberg will fight it out for 2nd on the depth chart..

this thread is about the team...

what are the chances of re-signing Fitz which plays into if they have faith in Geno or Petty to take the helm or will they roll the dice with Hackenberg since we have the veteran presence on offense that could help the rookie make the transition...
 

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Clearly anyone in the nfl has talent, I'd stipulate that he has the tools to justify getting excited about above your average qb.

My only concern is, has 2 bad years on an awful team caused him to pick up terrible habits out of his need to live through a career with 100 sacks? And at 4th string, will he even have enough time to work?

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Here's my problem with that logic. The kid came in as an 18 yo and successfully ran a pro-style offense. While it couldn't have been easy getting pummeled for 2 years, he obviously has "something special" and if he can access it months after HS graduation I have to believe it's still there (especially if he's driven to succeed, which by all accounts he is) . . .
 

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Here's my problem with that logic. The kid came in as an 18 yo and successfully ran a pro-style offense. While it couldn't have been easy getting pummeled for 2 years, he obviously has "something special" and if he can access it months after HS graduation I have to believe it's still there (especially if he's driven to succeed, which by all accounts he is) . . .
I agree, but that doesn't contradict my post. But there is a ton to practice to be an nfl passer. Footwork, etc, all of that goes out the window when you're getting pummeled. That stuff all takes reps to get right, I just question if it's an issue, and if so, how much time does he need to get up to speed? And how much time can Gailey give him?

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there is a lot to practice to succeed in the NFL, but their are tools and skills and abilities that are needed. Hack's freshman year suggests that he is CAPABLE of learning a complex offense, making the reads, the line calls and ecisions. Those abilities are unlikely to have been lost - even tyhough under "Coach" Franklin they may have been obscured

If Chan can take those abilities and, get Hack back on the right page - there is reason for optimism.

THEN, he will need enough time and reps to do it zt NFL level
 

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I agree, but that doesn't contradict my post. But there is a ton to practice to be an nfl passer. Footwork, etc, all of that goes out the window when you're getting pummeled. That stuff all takes reps to get right, I just question if it's an issue, and if so, how much time does he need to get up to speed? And how much time can Gailey give him?

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I completely agree. But who "needs" the practice more -- the QB trying to adjust to the pro style, or the one trying to get BACK to that style? I gotta think Hack is WAY ahead in his learning curve, which (hopefully) will speed up his ability to block out the past two years . . .
 

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If If If If...I hear a lot of If's.

Lets see what happens. look Geno got hit once & see what happened to him lol
 

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THEN, he will need enough time and reps to do it at NFL level

Let's say Chan fixes what ails Hack -- do you feel he still "needs" more time/reps than any of the other rookie QBs who've recently been thrown into the fire? (Mariota, Winston, Goff, Wentz, etc)

I'm not trying to rush the kid onto the field, but I DO feel the longer it takes to get him out there, the less likely he ever amounts to anything. From what I understand there isn't much of a "learning curve" for him (besides the one EVERY QB goes through when learning a given system). If it takes him more than a season to get back to his 18 y.o. self -- I'm gonna start thinking he's broke for good.

To me that's the biggest benefit to having Fitz -- fans won't stress how Hack is progressing the way they would with Geno (or Petty) out there. I'm firmly in the "don't overpay him" camp, but I if we can find a way to sensibly bring him back I won't even care how successful he ends up being . . .
 

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Almost any qb had a losing season as rookie starters even manning. Don't think hack sees the field unless season is lost

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