Maccagnan says Hackenberg could play this year

[lounap23]

Macc on NFL Radio stated that the pick of Hackenberg was not any indication of what the feel about Petty. Still said the like Petty quite bit and that he made great strides through training camp and the season last year. He had some praise for Geno too but didn't feel as genuine but definitely thinks Geno has the talent. I will say he sounded like he wants to have the competition between all 3 and let the best person lead the team, He clearly wants Fitz back for the sake of this season and letting both Hackenberg and Petty Develop so they can battle it out in 2017. This interview completely made me feel confident in Macc and what he is doing especially at QB.

 

[butterscotch]

He is surrounding himself with tal----tal---talen-------------------------------Qb's LOL

I agree you roll with numbers......next

 

[OCCH]

Almost any qb had a losing season as rookie starters even manning. Don't think hack sees the field unless season is lost

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While I don't want to tank the season, I'm not all that interested in being mediocre.

If I knew 4-12 gave Hack (or Petty) a productive season under his belt AND lined up prime draft picks, I'd sign up for it in a second. (Of course I'd be even more happy if one of the kids stepped up and won 10 games, but that's another story)

Point is, I don't want to see Hack/Petty "when the season is lost" -- I want to see them when they're READY. And I don't mean Aaron Rodgers chomping at the bit ready -- I mean ready to go out, learn from mistakes and end the season better than they started. I completely trust Bowles to determine if/when that happens, but I'm not a fan of putting a calendar date on it . . .

 

[butterscotch]

While I don't want to tank the season, I'm not all that interested in being mediocre.

If I knew 4-12 gave Hack (or Petty) a productive season under his belt AND lined up prime draft picks, I'd sign up for it in a second. (Of course I'd be even more happy if one of the kids stepped up and won 10 games, but that's another story)

Point is, I don't want to see Hack/Petty "when the season is lost" -- I want to see them when they're READY. And I don't mean Aaron Rodgers chomping at the bit ready -- I mean ready to go out, learn from mistakes and end the season better than they started. I completely trust Bowles to determine if/when that happens, but I'm not a fan of putting a calendar date on it . . .

Same here when they are ready they are ready

 

[hobson54]

If If If If...I hear a lot of If's.

Lets see what happens. look Geno got hit once & see what happened to him lol

what exactly were you expecting? the jets to just go to the QB store and get a nfl ready QB?

is there a QB in this draft that wasn't a question mark? heck, even goff and wentz are question marks and teams gave up a boatload to draft them.

you have gone on and on about needing to find a franchise QB. still waiting for what your solution was. there were none in free agency, franchise QBs aren't available for trade, and every single QB in the draft is an IF, IF, IF player.

so since you seem to have all the answers, what exactly do you think the jets should have done? you seem great at saying macc needs to find a QB and then questioning his moves. how about you offer up the butterscotch plan to finding a sure-fire franchise QB.

 

[Old#15]

To me that's the biggest benefit to having Fitz -- fans won't stress how Hack is progressing the way they would with Geno (or Petty) out there. I'm firmly in the "don't overpay him" camp, but I if we can find a way to sensibly bring him back I won't even care how successful he ends up being . . .

well said, although I would like to see him have a good year.

 

[flgreen]

this was the most interesting part of the interview for me..

i can't ever remember mac giving petty that level of praise..

i'm getting more excited about us drafting hackenberg literally on a daily basis..

Yep, it's clear that Macc is in love with Hackenberg for what ever reason. I don't share his enthusiasm. I've seen Hackenberg play about 12 times, and came away far from impressed.

With that said, Macc is a GM, and I'm not. He has probably watched every snap Hackenberg has taken at least 12 times. One thing that bothers me most though is that some of Macc's enthusiasm is based on O'Brian's talking up Hackenberg to him. O'Brian passed on Hackenberg right in front of the Jets in the second round. Kind of reminiscent of Pete passing on Sanchez back in the day.

I'm going to leave Hackenberg alone for now , see what unfolds , and hope for the best

 

[hobson54]

why would houston draft a QB in the 2nd round after handing out a huge contract to osweiler?

 

[jetgreen13]

Yep, it's clear that Macc is in love with Hackenberg for what ever reason. I don't share his enthusiasm. I've seen Hackenberg play about 12 times, and came away far from impressed.

With that said, Macc is a GM, and I'm not. He has probably watched every snap Hackenberg has taken at least 12 times. One thing that bothers me most though is that some of Macc's enthusiasm is based on O'Brian's talking up Hackenberg to him. O'Brian passed on Hackenberg right in front of the Jets in the second round. Kind of reminiscent of Pete passing on Sanchez back in the day.

I'm going to leave Hackenberg alone for now , see what unfolds , and hope for the best

why would o'brien & the texans draft hackenberg when then just paid osweiler a bazillion dollars??

 

[flgreen]

why would o'brien & the texans draft hackenberg when then just paid osweiler a bazillion dollars??

The entire premise for Hackenberg being a franchise QB is the one good year he had with O'Brien, and the line of thought that if O'Brien had stayed at Penn state, Hackenberg would have probably been the 1st pick in this draft.

Even though the Texans, for some unfathomable reason, have given a QB with 8 career starts a kings ransom, I would think if a player you had successfully coached who you thought was a potential franchise QB is available, you take him. Probably save your job if your wrong on Osweiler.

Might ask the same question, why would Macc use a 2nd round pick on a QB who has horrible film for the last two years, when you have a QB on the roster, that you traded up for as a 2 year project. When Macc took Hackenberg he knew he was going to get some flak from the media. The guy had a 4th round grade on him.

The answer is simple, Macc thinks Hackenberg has a lot of potential, and was available. O'Brien didn't do that with Hack

 

[hobson54]

The entire premise for Hackenberg being a franchise QB is the one good year he had with O'Brien, and the line of thought that if O'Brien had stayed at Penn state, Hackenberg would have probably been the 1st pick in this draft.

Even though the Texans, for some unfathomable reason, have given a QB with 8 career starts a kings ransom, I would think if a player you had successfully coached who you thought was a potential franchise QB is available, you take him. Probably save your job if your wrong on Osweiler.

Might ask the same question, why would Macc use a 2nd round pick on a QB who has horrible film for the last two years, when you have a QB on the roster, that you traded up for as a 2 year project. When Macc took Hackenberg he knew he was going to get some flak from the media. The guy had a 4th round grade on him.

The answer is simple, Macc thinks Hackenberg has a lot of potential, and was available. O'Brien didn't so that with Hack

not sure i accept your logic that o'brien not taking hack means he doesn't think he has potential.

maybe o'brien wanted to put the best team around the QB they just gave a $72 million contract with $37 million guaranteed, and thought that adding a talented center/guard to help keep said QB upright was the best way to do so.

let me ask, how would the texans coach and front office look if weeks after shelling out that much money to osweiller they said, well we aren't sure if he's the right guy, so we will draft hack as well as insurance in the 2nd round?

as to the jets "trading up for petty", let's not get carried away. the jets gave up a 7th rounder to move up one spot and grab petty. not exactly mortgaging the future for the guy.

as to the 4th round grade on hack, who's grade are you going by? mcshay had him at #49 overall. kiper had him at #58. and most importantly, macc had him as a 2nd round pick.

 

[flgreen]

They would look like they were protecting the franchise. I wouldn't have had a problem with it.

Look, I'm not trying to be the protagonist in the "Hack sucks" brigade, actually I'm trying very hard to talk myself into getting behind the pick.

Was up until 3am on Thursday, drinking beer and arguing with the wife's cat that Hack has value. Almost came to blows. Cat hates him




It's just hard after watching Hack play for the last two years

 

[jetgreen13]

They would look like they were protecting the franchise. I wouldn't have had a problem with it.

Look, I'm not trying to be the protagonist in the "Hack sucks" brigade, actually I'm trying very hard to talk myself into getting behind the pick.

Was up until 3am on Thursday, drinking beer and arguing with the wife's cat that Hack has value. Almost came to blows. Cat hates him

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It's just hard after watching Hack play for the last two years

i get that part & won't bother with all of the counter points you are aware of..

but i really like the risk/reward ratio with taking hackenberg at 51.. this kid is probably/is the most physically gifted QB we drafted since namath.. but if he's ends up being a bust, he's not going to break our bank & we still have hope for petty..

the kid the texans signed is going to get people fired if he doesn't work out.. remind the wife's cat about that part..

 

[flgreen]

not sure i accept your logic that o'brien not taking hack means he doesn't think he has potential.

maybe o'brien wanted to put the best team around the QB they just gave a $72 million contract with $37 million guaranteed, and thought that adding a talented center/guard to help keep said QB upright was the best way to do so.

let me ask, how would the texans coach and front office look if weeks after shelling out that much money to osweiller they said, well we aren't sure if he's the right guy, so we will draft hack as well as insurance in the 2nd round?

as to the jets "trading up for petty", let's not get carried away. the jets gave up a 7th rounder to move up one spot and grab petty. not exactly mortgaging the future for the guy.

as to the 4th round grade on hack, who's grade are you going by? mcshay had him at #49 overall. kiper had him at #58. and most importantly, macc had him as a 2nd round pick.

Your right that Hackenberg was one of the most polarizing players in the entire draft. PFF had him rated as the 11th QB prospect in the draft. Here's a bit of what PFF had to say about him.

"I don’t believe Christian Hackenberg should even be drafted."


From NFL
Round 2, pick 51 -- QB Christian Hackenberg, Jets: Hackenberg is so raw and inconsistent -- I couldn't put a value on him that high in the draft. There are a lot of good players they could have added to their team. Instead, they have a long-term project. I'm not convinced Hackenberg will ever be a starting NFL quarterback.

From SB nation

One of the shocking picks in the second round was the Jets taking Christian Hackenberg at No. 51. In the past two years, Hackenberg has fallen apart. He's obviously talented as a traditional pocket quarterback, but his completion percentage dropped every year and his footwork became a mess. A smarter pick for 2016 where Ryan Fitzpatrick's returning is looking less likely by the day would have been Connor Cook of Michigan State. Hackenberg is a project.

From what I observed in the dozen or so times I've seen Hackenberg play I'm closer to these guys.

Like I said Macc is in love with this player, and for now I'm going to presume he knows a hell of a lot more then I do, So I won't go out of my way to slam the kid, and really hope Macc is right, and Hackenberg is going to be a star.

if he was taken where Cook, and Petty were taken, in the 4th round, I think both are better, I would be OK with the pick.

He wasn't. Where as I hope he is great can't say I'm going to line up like a rat behind the Pied Piper in proclaiming that he is a franchise QB who should start now.

I'll give him the same grace I gave Sanchez, and smith for a year or two

 

[jets82]

I feel like this could be said about any QB drafted (otherwise they wouldn't be drafted!) but Hack's case is DEFINITELY unique. Technically they already "know" his talent translates to the NFL game because of his success with O'Brien. So is our bigger concern whether he has the necessary DNA of an NFL QB or whether he STILL has said DNA?

I'm guessing yes to both questions but how long before they see it in him. Will it be this year even before preseason games start? During the preseason games, regular season games or not until next season? I'm guessing (hoping rather) we'll see it this preseason and if so, would that be enough to start him game one? I hardly doubt it and I think the Jets will give him till mid season atleast but would be nice to see promise in him this preseason. I don't think he'll take long at all personally but I worry more about the kids hands size then his mechanics.

With 9" hands will that cause issues when he gets on the field? Throwing the ball in that NY-NJ weather and other stadiums the Jets usually play in with bad weather? He's not playing in sunny Miami, Tampa Bay or in a doom eight games. Another question is was his accuracy issue in college all because of his change in coaching and mechanics or was it all because of his hands size? Was it a combination of both? We'll soon find out all these answers but I'm more worried about his hands size and that effect then his mechanics, intelligence, leadership ability, heart and mentality for learning the game. We're all routing for the kid so Hack, let's get this done kid.

 

[OCCH]

I'm guessing yes to both questions but how long before they see it in him. Will it be this year even before preseason games start? During the preseason games, regular season games or not until next season? I'm guessing (hoping rather) we'll see it this preseason and if so, would that be enough to start him game one? I hardly doubt it and I think the Jets will give him till mid season atleast but would be nice to see promise in him this preseason. I don't think he'll take long at all personally but I worry more about the kids hands size then his mechanics.

With 9" hands will that cause issues when he gets on the field? Throwing the ball in that NY-NJ weather and other stadiums the Jets usually play in with bad weather? He's not playing in sunny Miami, Tampa Bay or in a doom eight games. Another question is was his accuracy issue in college all because of his change in coaching and mechanics or was it all because of his hands size? Was it a combination of both? We'll soon find out all these answers but I'm more worried about his hands size and that effect then his mechanics, intelligence, leadership ability, heart and mentality for learning the game. We're all routing for the kid so Hack, let's get this done kid.

I won't pretend to be a QB guru, but the kid has a cannon regardless of hand size, so I'm not sure why the winds of MetLife would affect him any more than someone with bigger hands but weaker arm . . .

 

[jets82]

I won't pretend to be a QB guru, but the kid has a cannon regardless of hand size, so I'm not sure why the winds of MetLife would affect him any more than someone with bigger hands but weaker arm . . .

Great point but I was thinking more of him gripping and throwing the ball in all kinds of MetLife bad weather. Will it effect the gun arm that he has? Also holding onto the ball when getting hit. QBs like A. Rodgers, C. Newton, T. Wilson and B. Farve could/can throw the ball in anyway possible in pretty much any kind of weather because they're hands size. Get hit in anyway possible and not fumble the ball for the same reason. QBs like M. Vick for ex.. has 8.5" hands and fumbled all the damn time. Sanchez and Geno seemed to fumble a lot but I don't know their hands size or if that was the reason why. Maybe Hack will have to wear gloves to help him and maybe not.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Hack played in cold weather.

 

[jets82]

Hack played in cold weather.

I'm clear on that and his accuracy wasn't good all three years if I'm correct. His best year of accuracy was his rookie year with a 58.7 completion percentage, if I'm correct. So I'm wondering was his accuracy down, especially his first year (because he was pretty much lights out) but was his accuracy not that good because of his hands size and playing in the PSU weather element? His second and third year we all understand his accuracy issues could have also come from the coaching change, footwork change, scheme and Oline and offensive weapons and maybe even a throwing change. But what about his accuracy his first year because he was under Obrien in the pro style offense and excelled, except for the accuracy.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I'm clear on that and his accuracy wasn't good all three years if I'm correct. His best year of accuracy was his rookie year with a 58.7 completion percentage, if I'm correct. So I'm wondering was his accuracy down, especially his first year (because he was pretty much lights out) but was his accuracy not that good because of his hands size and playing in the PSU weather element? His second and third year we all understand his accuracy issues could have also come from the coaching change, footwork change, scheme and Oline and offensive weapons and maybe even a throwing change. But what about his accuracy his first year because he was under Obrien in the pro style offense and excelled, except for the accuracy.

I will just judge Hack based on what he does in the NFL not what he did at a dysfunctional college.