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Please do me the favor of quoting the part of my posts that you're referring to - I mean the squeaky clean Hillary? Where did I say something that meant that? Both she and the DNC did Bernie dirty. But I fear a country that is returned to criminilized abortion, stop-and-frisk, marriage inequality, etc., etc. the list goes on.

Well, I do not condone murder and neither should you in reference to abortion. I support Trump going after Roe vs. Wade. Stop and Frisk is not only a good practice - it works in preventing violent crime.

And sorry but you are flat out wrong on the marriage inequality thing, Trump advocates returning that decision to the states. That is constitutional because the 10th amendment to the constitution is very clear...........
 

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Well, I do not condone murder and neither should you in reference to abortion. I support Trump going after Roe vs. Wade. Stop and Frisk is not only a good practice - it works in preventing violent crime.

And sorry but you are flat out wrong on the marriage inequality thing, Trump advocates returning that decision to the states. That is constitutional because the 10th amendment to the constitution is very clear...........

Stop and frisk is terrifying to the parents of boys that are just like you and I except for their skin color. A trip to the corner store has ended with cuts to his face from being slammed against a fence, then a "whoops, wrong nigger". Made a 13 year old kid and his entire, mostly white, baseball team hate and distrust the police. So no, thank you.

As long as marriage is a federally recognized status, addressing it in a state level is senseless.
 
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Stop and frisk is terrifying to the parents of boys that are just like you and I except for their skin color. A trip to the corner store has ended with cuts to his face from being slammed against a fence, then a "whoops, wrong nigger". Made a 13 year old kid and his entire, mostly white, baseball team hate and distrust the police. So no, thank you.

As long as marriage is a federally recognized status, addressing it in a state level is senseless.
These are hot button topics that most will never agree on. But I'm fine believing what I do, and you believing whatever you want. I love that we get free elections in this country and can accept that I can't always be the winner. As long as the system isn't corrupt, I can accept the outcome.

Abortion is spilt in this country, but it is a fact that it was used for eugenics against minorities in this country. But in current times, i believe a baby is human and not an organ. If I carefully remove your heart,it won't grow up and have a preference in music. And when I look at my son and imagine someone severing his spine,it gives me chills.

Gay marriage is tough. I believe in not discriminating against LGBT as everyone chooses how to live their lives. I also believe in federalism,or states making choices locally, so the people control their government. Just legally,if anyone can marry anyone, then why do you need a license? Why does the federal government give you a marriage license to make official, that you have really strong feelings for another person?
If it's about officially recognizing a family structure for tax breaks, then just lower tax rates for any parents.

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Stop and frisk is terrifying to the parents of boys that are just like you and I except for their skin color. A trip to the corner store has ended with cuts to his face from being slammed against a fence, then a "whoops, wrong nigger". Made a 13 year old kid and his entire, mostly white, baseball team hate and distrust the police. So no, thank you.

As long as marriage is a federally recognized status, addressing it in a state level is senseless.
I do have a problem with stop and frisk. I'm very constitutionally focused. Unlawful search and seizure bothers me, even though it does help lower crime in cities. I think it does more harm than good regarding distrust. Just like road blocks are unconstitutional, you can't just blanket search the public to raise ticket revenue. You need a warrant to search a specific place. And cops have no probable cause to stop and request documents from every motorist.

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Stop and frisk is terrifying to the parents of boys that are just like you and I except for their skin color. A trip to the corner store has ended with cuts to his face from being slammed against a fence, then a "whoops, wrong nigger". Made a 13 year old kid and his entire, mostly white, baseball team hate and distrust the police. So no, thank you.

As long as marriage is a federally recognized status, addressing it in a state level is senseless.

A few exceptions in the case of the young people you are referring to does not nullify all of the good it does. Stop and frisk was deemed constitutional and it was proven to prevent serious and violent crime. Nothing is perfect. Just like the country we live in - it's filled with democrats.

And marriage is NOT federally recognized. It is recognized federally based on the states say so as a legally binding union between a man and a woman..........Please show me where it mentions marriage in the constitution and I will apologize and agree with you. But you cannot. Just because a president from time to time mentions marriage equality/inequality does not constitute it being "federally recognized".

Like I said already, the 10th amendment is very clear. Marriage is none of the president's business. It is outside of the federal government's jurisdiction. A social issue of that nature is a decision for each and every state to decide............
 
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I do have a problem with stop and frisk. I'm very constitutionally focused. Unlawful search and seizure bothers me, even though it does help lower crime in cities. I think it does more harm than good regarding distrust. Just like road blocks are unconstitutional, you can't just blanket search the public to raise ticket revenue. You need a warrant to search a specific place. And cops have no probable cause to stop and request documents from every motorist.

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I understand that as much as anyone, but the world we live in has changed since 9/11. The Patriot act basically legalized illegal searches, but protecting the country and it's citizens is also a major concern. How the pendulum swings is for someone else to decide. The next time you take a flight and get blown up by some fucking terrorist that never should have been let into this country to begin with, how will your views change? I am not disagreeing with you. Really I am not. I just know this is a lot deeper issue than simply thinking that stop and frisk is wrong....
 

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I understand that as much as anyone, but the world we live in has changed since 9/11. The Patriot act basically legalized illegal searches, but protecting the country and it's citizens is also a major concern. How the pendulum swings is for someone else to decide. The next time you take a flight and get blown up by some fucking terrorist that never should have been let into this country to begin with, how will your views change? I am not disagreeing with you. Really I am not. I just know this is a lot deeper issue than simply thinking that stop and frisk is wrong....
Stop and frisk in NYC was mostly to bust people with weapons and drugs,not terrorists.
It was ruled unconstitutional in federal court, nyc was appealing the ruling under Bloomberg, but the new mayor ended the appeal. So it's still open to legal action, but the last ruling was against the action.
If you're worried about terrorists, then that's a different story. Then you're talking about tighter security for guests to this country. Open borders and stop and frisk isn't effective against terrorism.

The Patriot act does not overrule the constitution, nothing does. It's up to our politicians or lawyers to correct over steps.

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And marriage is NOT federally recognized. It is recognized federally based on the states say so as a legally binding union between a man and a woman..........Please show me where it mentions marriage in the constitution and I will apologize and agree with you. But you cannot. Just because a president from time to time mentions marriage equality/inequality does not constitute it being "federally recognized".
Does marriage appear on your Federal Income Tax forms?

How about right to participate in the following Federal benefits/programs:
Employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service;
Per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
Sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
Veteran's disability
Supplemental Security Income
Disability payments for federal employees
Medicaid
Property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
Income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
Wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax
Joint and family-related rights:
Joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
Joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
Family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
Next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
Custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
Domestic violence intervention
Access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
Court notice of probate proceedings
Domestic violence protection orders
Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
Funeral and bereavement leave
Joint adoption and foster care
Joint filing of taxes (see filing status)
Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
Legal status with stepchildren
Making spousal medical decisions
Spousal non-resident tuition differential waiver
Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
Right of survivorship of custodial trust
Right to change surname upon marriage
Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
Right to inheritance of property
Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)
For those divorced or widowed, the right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
Social Security pension
Veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
survivor benefits for federal employees
Survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
Additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
$100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
Continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
Renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
Continued water rights of spouse in some circumstances
Payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
Making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts

...to name a few.
 

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States issue marriage certificates/license ,but it absolutely is recognized by the Fed.

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Mainejet

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<crickets>

I've done the impossible! LOL

Crickets my ass............ You can name things until you are blue in the face, it does NOT change what I already told you. The constitution of the United States does not mention anything about marriage and therefore it is not their jurisdiction. It is the states that issue marriage licenses and that marriage is honored by the federal government based on what the STATES say. All that BS you just mentioned is just a product of how corrupt and far over reaching the IRS's powers have become. ALL of that has to do with taxing. But once again just because the IRS started being the big douchebags on the block does not make marriage federally recognized.

Now.......If you don't like how the federal government regards marriage and you want it recognized? You can petition congress to change the constitution. But until then the CONSTITUTION is the superseding document over the IRS.
 
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States issue marriage certificates/license ,but it absolutely is recognized by the Fed.

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For purposes of taxing and once again whether you think they should is not your decision. ANYTHING that is not specifically mentioned in the constitution is a STATE issue. Therefore, what Trump is saying is the RIGHT way that the marriage equality issue should be handled.
 
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Stop and frisk in NYC was mostly to bust people with weapons and drugs,not terrorists.
It was ruled unconstitutional in federal court, nyc was appealing the ruling under Bloomberg, but the new mayor ended the appeal. So it's still open to legal action, but the last ruling was against the action.
If you're worried about terrorists, then that's a different story. Then you're talking about tighter security for guests to this country. Open borders and stop and frisk isn't effective against terrorism.

The Patriot act does not overrule the constitution, nothing does. It's up to our politicians or lawyers to correct over steps.

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You might want to check your facts.........Stop and Frisk was NOT ruled unconstitutional despite what you heard dingbat liberal Lester Holt claim in the first presidential debate.
 

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You might want to check your facts.........Stop and Frisk was NOT ruled unconstitutional despite what you heard dingbat liberal Lester Holt claim in the first presidential debate.
You're right, nyc stop and frisk was ruled unconditional for targeting minorities.

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One thing that scares me when my friends say they voted Trump is that he was just saying these bigoted things to get elected. He doesn't believe that. If that is true, then it's even more repulsive that trump got elected president. I have no doubts that Trumps policies on the economy would work out more than Hillarys however I can never support a candidate who is divisive and split this country up with race his rhetoric. I can see that he has pivoted away from that. How are people okay electing such a manipulative dickhead as president?

As for Hillary being corrupt and what not. They all are. I'm sure all our past presidents were corrupt including Donald. Unfortunately, Hillary's emails got hacked. I'm sure over the next few years more and more emails will come out from all politicians. Only reason why we don't view others as corrupt is because their emails were not leaked.
 

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One thing that scares me when my friends say they voted Trump is that he was just saying these bigoted things to get elected. He doesn't believe that. If that is true, then it's even more repulsive that trump got elected president. I have no doubts that Trumps policies on the economy would work out more than Hillarys however I can never support a candidate who is divisive and split this country up with race his rhetoric. I can see that he has pivoted away from that. How are people okay electing such a manipulative dickhead as president?

As for Hillary being corrupt and what not. They all are. I'm sure all our past presidents were corrupt including Donald. Unfortunately, Hillary's emails got hacked. I'm sure over the next few years more and more emails will come out from all politicians. Only reason why we don't view others as corrupt is because their emails were not leaked.
I think a lot of your perception is based on biased media. Trump also started shooting from the hip. He would say things to get attention,the media started selective editing when they recognized he was a threat. The media also never covered this election accurately. Every Trump story was negative, every hillary story was positive,or defended her.

Just one example, how many times did you hear how bigoted hillary was? She said blacks are "super predators." To me that's more fucked up than saying you want to build a wall and make illegals cone through security, or you want to vet refugees from terrorist hotbed nations. Neither concept is racist. Bit the way they were reported completely shaped liberal opinion.

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The nyt announced they are re evaluating how they report, because they are so biased that half the country tunes them out, and the other half can't fathom how hillary lost, despite it being so obvious.

The dnc, hillary, and the media worked hand in hand to elect hillary. They threw the sanders campaign, ignored or downplayed hillarys crimes and scandals, and then the media did everything possible to demonize the rnc and prop up Hilary. They polled Americans,then changed the way they calculate the polling because Trump was winning. Then they predicted a landslide for Hillary in an attempt to delegitimize Trump.
Then come the elections. Trump was winning the entire night, he ran the wire, and damn near turned the entire country red.

States that clearly supported Obama, switched to Trump. Kinda kills the racist argument.

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The nyt announced they are re evaluating how they report, because they are so biased that half the country tunes them out, and the other half can't fathom how hillary lost, despite it being so obvious.

The dnc, hillary, and the media worked hand in hand to elect hillary. They threw the sanders campaign, ignored or downplayed hillarys crimes and scandals, and then the media did everything possible to demonize the rnc and prop up Hilary. They polled Americans,then changed the way they calculate the polling because Trump was winning. Then they predicted a landslide for Hillary in an attempt to delegitimize Trump.
Then come the elections. Trump was winning the entire night, he ran the wire, and damn near turned the entire country red.

States that clearly supported Obama, switched to Trump. Kinda kills the racist argument.

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the story of this election was that Hillary had no support. Total votes casted were far less this year than four years ago. Neither candidate was liked, however, there was more passion for Trump.
 

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the story of this election was that Hillary had no support. Total votes casted were far less this year than four years ago. Neither candidate was liked, however, there was more passion for Trump.
You can't treat Obama as the new normal. He received pretty historic support and is very charismatic. For 30 years 60% of Americans couldn't stand hillary. She was a terrible front runner for the dnc. I'm surprised they allowed her to run and couldn't get someone like Biden.

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You can't treat Obama as the new normal. He received pretty historic support and is very charismatic. For 30 years 60% of Americans couldn't stand hillary. She was a terrible front runner for the dnc. I'm surprised they allowed her to run and couldn't get someone like Biden.

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Biden wanted to run but because of Hillary, he decided not to. I just don't get how two candidates where over 50% of the electorate do not view favorably were able to battle it out for the presidency. Something weird happened. I don't know what.
 
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