Making the case in favor of the Pats

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in that video though they are forgetting the guy who is there to wear in the balls a little the friction he makes means the ball will not drop in psi as fast due to the weather these MIT guys claimed. It still does not account for why the colts balls were in regulation.
 

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No need for science. They cheated and always have cheated. Who cares except Pats fans who know the whole world is laughing at them and their SB "wins". Everyone will remember the Pats as cheaters and frankly thats as good as them not winning any of them. 50 years from now people will still remember they were cheaters. They will always be remembered as the Cheatriots with Lance Belichek as their coach and Tom Armstrong as their QB.
 

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The spin is on. People are blaming the NFL for bringing in someone to conduct the investigation that has ties with the Jets.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/jets-connection-appearing-deflategate-probe?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

As the Deflategate investigation continues, scrutiny on the Patriots will soon lead to questions about what prompted the investigation in the first place.

Who suspected subterfuge? Who pushed the league to gather evidence? Was the motivation simply a principled, “integrity of the game” platform or was it an attempt to settle old scores?

Earlier this week, we pointed out the possible motivation of the Ravens and Colts. It’s all laid out here.

Those are two of the Patriots most bitter conference rivals, having played against the Patriots in a total of nine playoff games since 2003 with the Patriots going 6-3 in those games.

The only other rival with similar bitterness? The New York Jets.

The NFL man on-site to start the investigation in the AFC Championship was Mike Kensil. He is the NFL Vice President of Game Operations. You may remember him as the gentleman John Harbaugh took his frustration out on during the Super Bowl power outage in 2012. Harbaugh later apologized. He does that a lot.

Before rising to the league level, Kensil was the Jets director of operations for nearly 20 years. His tenure overlapped Bill Parcells (and Bill Belichick’s) time with the Jets and he would have been part of the Jets front office incensed by Belichick’s 2000 resignation as Jets head coach.

Kensil’s tenure with the Jets ended in 2006, the same year Belichick disciple Eric Mangini became head coach of the Jets.

Multiple sources have indicated that Kensil is the driving force behind the investigation and that his interest in deflated balls did not begin in January but actually began earlier in the year.

Kensil’s professional reputation is strong and people I’ve spoken to have described him as having strong integrity.

That Jets connection, though, certainly hints at a preexisting judgment of Belichick and the Patriots that could, conceivably, be a motivating factor in the league’s dogged pursuit.

Just how much do the Jets revile New England?

Former Jets special teams coach Mike Westhoff unloaded on New England in a phone interview with the Toronto Sun this week, saying, “If it’s anybody that walks the edge on the rules, it’s these guys,” Westhoff said. “Sometimes they remind me a little bit of Enron — they’re always the smartest guys in the room, until some day maybe they’re not. That’s how I feel about them.”

Westhoff was the Jets’ special teams coach from 2001 to 2012.

He asked, “Did they do it? I honestly don’t think they did. To tell you the truth, I’m not so sure they’re not sitting around today thinking, ‘I wish we’d thought this up,’ knowing them."

Westhoff doesn’t like even helping New England in this way, however.

“As much as I hate to, I’m going to defend them,” Westhoff said. “And trust me, I hate to defend them. (Spygate) was only a part of it. The number of things that were like this? There’s only a handful of them that have been made public.

“Trust me, what I’m tellin’ you. There are quite a few others. Clock violations. You can go on and on. There’s a whole s---load.”
 
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Great can't wait to hear about this from pats fans. Should see if goodell appointed him so he could later discredit him for that reason?
 

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in that video though they are forgetting the guy who is there to wear in the balls a little the friction he makes means the ball will not drop in psi as fast due to the weather these MIT guys claimed. It still does not account for why the colts balls were in regulation.

The other thing they slipped into the test that may be wrong is that 75 deg room temp. I live in New England, and nobody sets the temp that high. More likely the room temp was 68 deg or even cooler.
 
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The other thing they slipped into the test that may be wrong is that 75 deg room temp. I live in New England, and nobody sets the temp that high. More likely the room temp was 68 deg or even cooler.

wouldn't it also have to do with where the balls were on the sideline you would think they would want them close to the sideline heater?
 
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Why didn't the colts balls drop in psi?

the pats guy says because the colts either inflated the balls to exactly 13.5 and the pats 12.5 or the colts overinflated the balls past 13.5 because they knew they would drop in range with the cold.
 

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Hmm interesting - I was listening to WFAN and someone made a good point (not sure if scientifically possible) saying that Pats could have cheated by pumping the ball with hot air above 12.5 psi, then right before it went to the refs it was deflated to 12.5 psi so it can get approved.

Knowing that the air loses pressure faster in cold weather, by the time the ball reached the field and outdoor environment, it would have dropped to Brady's preferred psi.

Not sure if I explained his point good enough but it made a lot of sense to me when he spoke about it.


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the pats guy says because the colts either inflated the balls to exactly 13.5 and the pats 12.5 or the colts overinflated the balls past 13.5 because they knew they would drop in range with the cold.

By rule though they couldn't inflate it over 13.5. The league could get to the bottom of it quickly and debunk this theory if they just asked the Colts equipment staff.
 

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Absolutely that would be very important. A heater would tend to maintain the pressure.

By the way -- off topic -- I looked into attaching PDFs. You can, by clicking advance at the bottom of the quick reply box and then press the attachment button but at the moment you can only attach files less than 19.5 kb. I will figure out how to increase the kb.
 

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Hmm interesting - I was listening to WFAN and someone made a good point (not sure if scientifically possible) saying that Pats could have cheated by pumping the ball with hot air above 12.5 psi, then right before it went to the refs it was deflated to 12.5 psi so it can get approved.

Knowing that the air loses pressure faster in cold weather, by the time the ball reached the field and outdoor environment, it would have dropped to Brady's preferred psi.

Not sure if I explained his point good enough but it made a lot of sense to me when he spoke about it.


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Yes this makes good scientific sense. But the problem is the needed air temperature inside the balls. The temp would have to be 90.5 degrees in order to drop 2 psi from going into 50 deg air. I would think the refs could feel the warmth of balls containing air that hot. But I suppose it's possible the leather is a good enough insulator they wouldn't feel it.
 

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Yes this makes good scientific sense. But the problem is the needed air temperature inside the balls. The temp would have to be 90.5 degrees in order to drop 2 psi from going into 50 deg air. I would think the refs could feel the warmth of balls containing air that hot. But I suppose it's possible the leather is a good enough insulator they wouldn't feel it.

Yea that's a good point. The red would def feel that warm ball
 

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By the way -- off topic -- I looked into attaching PDFs. You can, by clicking advance at the bottom of the quick reply box and then press the attachment button but at the moment you can only attach files less than 19.5 kb. I will figure out how to increase the kb.

Thanks! But if the file is attached will the contents be displayed in the post, or does the user have to click on it to see it?
 
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