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flgreen

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I know, a lot of posters who watch college football, and their memory of Simms at Tenn is what they are going to rate him on, are going to feel, "He sucks, forget it". I agree, his play in college was bad to the point, that unless you are a Vols fan, it was funny.

When the Jets first signed him in 2012 I was very surprised. Figured it was just a favor to Phil, and he was going to be a camp arm, and gone. Couldn't believe he was still on the team in 2013. Figured Phil must have something on Woody.

During the great QB competition of 2013 between Sanchez/Smith, Marty was asked which QB had the best arm. To deflect Marty answered "If a strong arm is the measurement stick, Simms will clearly be the opening day starter". He went on to say a few nice things about Simms so he didn't have to make a direct comment on the sorry state of affairs between his two would be starters. I laughed.

Simms started the final meaningless game against the Eagles. Yes, this game is mostly played by future phy ed teachers, but keep in mind, even with that, they are still better then 95% of the guys who play NCAA football. These guys aren't the elite of the NFL, but they are some of the best college has to offer. They are highly motivated. This might be their last chance to make an NFL roster.

I couldn't believe what I was seeing out there. Simms wasn't the same guy who put on a comedy routine for the Vols two years ago. He actually looked like an NFL QB. They didn't have him just hand the ball off either, as teams often do in this game to avoid bad QB's from making fools of themselves. He went 33-44, with a 91.6 RTG. I became very intrigued. We haven't seen much of him since, but in the few times we have seen him in emergency's he hasn't lit it up, but, with out any prep during the week, he played IMO, better then Smith. 19-39 1-1.

Kid is still on the team, and was one of the first guys they gave an extension to when the season ended. Doesn't mean that he will be on the team in Sept, but some body on the Jets' also seems intrigued.

Bowles has announced that Fitz won't be ready until at least camp, and Smith will get the majority of the reps with the #1 's during OTA's. Simms, unless they draft Mariota, will get the other reps, which will be substantial.

Gailey IMO, is a very bad HC, but an elite QB guru. I really hope they give Simms a good look at. I think if they do, perhaps the QB competition in camp won't be between Smith and Fitz, but between Simms and Fitz.

Simms does have pro-typical QB traits. 6'3" 218, mobility, and a legitimate cannon arm. I watched an interview with him a few months ago, after he was re-signed, on NYjets.com. Eric Allen was teasing him and asked about why he was still living in his parents house. To paraphrase, he said, "I'd like to say that me and Dad work out in the back yard every day, but my Dad is a very busy man, and on the road a lot during the season. In the off season he has more time, and what better QB coach could I have then just talking to my Dad?"

Seems to me that Simms has the tools, the arm, and has improved every season. Personally I'm hoping for a Charismatic type finish in the 99 Kentucky Derby, for Simms in this years OTA's.

Ok, I can take the green tinted glasses off now.
 

Superman55

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Well, all I've seen from him when he comes in games is a live arm. I remember Geno's rookie year he came in the Bills game and the Bills dropped 3 INTs in that game that should have been picked. he didn't look any better to me; however, I will always give Simms credit for trusting in his ability, eyes, and taking shots down the field.

I dont know, he's had a few shots, and in those shots didn't look like Foles, Shaub, Kolb, Cousins, Colt McCoy, Detmer, or Feeley when they got their chances...where they used no scouting tape on them to put some highlights on film....

One can mostly say Simms didn't look awesome for the same reason Geno didnt, no weapons to make him look good. But simms hasnt shown anything, IMO, to hitch a wagon to. If he looks amazing in OTAs as you say, great! give him a shot...but this will be his 3rd OC, if 3/3 OCs dont believe in giving Simms a shot, guess what, its Simms, not the OCs, issues not getting him in games. I havent seen anyone think he's the next Rich Gannon, but you never know.
 
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if gailey sees something in him then I trust him.........I wouldn't mind he get a few extra snaps maybe he can be the other starter in the green/white game.
 

Superman55

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You get the impression we'll be drafting someone. I still think it's 50-50 he even makes the roster...but he beat out Boyd last year and McElroy before him, so Simms continues to get a shot to beat these guys. I just wonder how long he'll keep surviving.
 
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flgreen

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Well, all I've seen from him when he comes in games is a live arm. I remember Geno's rookie year he came in the Bills game and the Bills dropped 3 INTs in that game that should have been picked. he didn't look any better to me; however, I will always give Simms credit for trusting in his ability, eyes, and taking shots down the field.

I dont know, he's had a few shots, and in those shots didn't look like Foles, Shaub, Kolb, Cousins, Colt McCoy, Detmer, or Feeley when they got their chances...where they used no scouting tape on them to put some highlights on film....

One can mostly say Simms didn't look awesome for the same reason Geno didnt, no weapons to make him look good. But simms hasnt shown anything, IMO, to hitch a wagon to. If he looks amazing in OTAs as you say, great! give him a shot...but this will be his 3rd OC, if 3/3 OCs dont believe in giving Simms a shot, guess what, its Simms, not the OCs, issues not getting him in games. I havent seen anyone think he's the next Rich Gannon, but you never know.

Never said he's the next anything. All I've said here is that with all the attention, and pampering that Smith has had in his two seasons, Simms has looked at least as good, if not better, with out any game prep, then Smith has.

That's not saying much, Smith has been awful. The point of it was that with the circumstances being what they are going into OTA's that Simms should be given an opportunity to actually compete with Smith, rather then just hand Smith the "it's his job to lose" BS. Smith hasn't earned that. As I see it right now Smith is just another camp arm until he proves he has earned it.

I agree, if Simms is given a realistic chance to compete, and just can't do it, well off to his career selling insurance, or whatever. We really don't know what the past OC's have felt about Simms, or Smith for that matter. Their was no choice, Smith was the anointed starter by the front office from day one.

I'd like to see what some one else can do in a "fair" competition
 
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I know, a lot of posters who watch college football, and their memory of Simms at Tenn is what they are going to rate him on, are going to feel, "He sucks, forget it". I agree, his play in college was bad to the point, that unless you are a Vols fan, it was funny.

When the Jets first signed him in 2012 I was very surprised. Figured it was just a favor to Phil, and he was going to be a camp arm, and gone. Couldn't believe he was still on the team in 2013. Figured Phil must have something on Woody.

During the great QB competition of 2013 between Sanchez/Smith, Marty was asked which QB had the best arm. To deflect Marty answered "If a strong arm is the measurement stick, Simms will clearly be the opening day starter". He went on to say a few nice things about Simms so he didn't have to make a direct comment on the sorry state of affairs between his two would be starters. I laughed.

Simms started the final meaningless game against the Eagles. Yes, this game is mostly played by future phy ed teachers, but keep in mind, even with that, they are still better then 95% of the guys who play NCAA football. These guys aren't the elite of the NFL, but they are some of the best college has to offer. They are highly motivated. This might be their last chance to make an NFL roster.

I couldn't believe what I was seeing out there. Simms wasn't the same guy who put on a comedy routine for the Vols two years ago. He actually looked like an NFL QB. They didn't have him just hand the ball off either, as teams often do in this game to avoid bad QB's from making fools of themselves. He went 33-44, with a 91.6 RTG. I became very intrigued. We haven't seen much of him since, but in the few times we have seen him in emergency's he hasn't lit it up, but, with out any prep during the week, he played IMO, better then Smith. 19-39 1-1.

Kid is still on the team, and was one of the first guys they gave an extension to when the season ended. Doesn't mean that he will be on the team in Sept, but some body on the Jets' also seems intrigued.

Bowles has announced that Fitz won't be ready until at least camp, and Smith will get the majority of the reps with the #1 's during OTA's. Simms, unless they draft Mariota, will get the other reps, which will be substantial.

Gailey IMO, is a very bad HC, but an elite QB guru. I really hope they give Simms a good look at. I think if they do, perhaps the QB competition in camp won't be between Smith and Fitz, but between Simms and Fitz.

Simms does have pro-typical QB traits. 6'3" 218, mobility, and a legitimate cannon arm. I watched an interview with him a few months ago, after he was re-signed, on NYjets.com. Eric Allen was teasing him and asked about why he was still living in his parents house. To paraphrase, he said, "I'd like to say that me and Dad work out in the back yard every day, but my Dad is a very busy man, and on the road a lot during the season. In the off season he has more time, and what better QB coach could I have then just talking to my Dad?"

Seems to me that Simms has the tools, the arm, and has improved every season. Personally I'm hoping for a Charismatic type finish in the 99 Kentucky Derby, for Simms in this years OTA's.

Ok, I can take the green tinted glasses off now.
As long as we don't get a Charismatic like Belmont from him, I'm on board.

Fitz, the rook we draft...a good three way competition in TC...best man starts
 
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flgreen

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You get the impression we'll be drafting someone. I still think it's 50-50 he even makes the roster...but he beat out Boyd last year and McElroy before him, so Simms continues to get a shot to beat these guys. I just wonder how long he'll keep surviving.

That's the point. Simms looked like dead man walking last year when the Jets took Rex's hand picked guy in Boyd. Simms found a way to stay on the team. Suspecting that was Marty's doing. I just wonder how it would have come out if Simms actually had a chance to compete with Smith, and some one that knew something about QB's was making the decisions. Not a bean counter.

Don't know if it would have come out any different, but there was never that chance.

This will most likely be Simms last chance to show if he has anything. As bad as Smith has been, if Bowles and Macc are serious about competition, Gailey should be the one deciding who fights Fitz for the job in camp.
 

Superman55

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That's the point. Simms looked like dead man walking last year when the Jets took Rex's hand picked guy in Boyd. Simms found a way to stay on the team. Suspecting that was Marty's doing. I just wonder how it would have come out if Simms actually had a chance to compete with Smith, and some one that knew something about QB's was making the decisions. Not a bean counter.

Don't know if it would have come out any different, but there was never that chance.

This will most likely be Simms last chance to show if he has anything. As bad as Smith has been, if Bowles and Macc are serious about competition, Gailey should be the one deciding who fights Fitz for the job in camp.

Are you implying Bowles naming Smith the #1 QB was without Gaily's input?

See how jaded Smith haters are? if Smith plays, its because Bowles and mac wants it, Gaily obviously had no say if Smith is playing...

Already saying there is a crack in the pavement before they've even met Smith, seen the coaching staff work together, etc, huh? You know the 3 of them haven't even met Smith but somehow the coaching staff is already making decisions without Gaily's input.

jets fans are amazing.
 

Old#15

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I don't know why you even bother 55, the depth chart is going to be Fitz, Simms and rookie and not necessarily in that order.
 
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flgreen

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Are you implying Bowles naming Smith the #1 QB was without Gaily's input?

See how jaded Smith haters are? if Smith plays, its because Bowles and mac wants it, Gaily obviously had no say if Smith is playing...

Already saying there is a crack in the pavement before they've even met Smith, seen the coaching staff work together, etc, huh? You know the 3 of them haven't even met Smith but somehow the coaching staff is already making decisions without Gaily's input.

jets fans are amazing.

Actually Jets fans are amazing. Particularly the ones who like to pretend they can read people's minds, twist, take out of context, and brand people as haters, because they disagree with their view on a player, and elevate their self laudatory persona.

Actually, like yourself, I have no idea what has transpired between Gailey the CS, and FO. What I am observing is a HC, who doesn't want to make any kind of commitment to what game review says is a bad QB. He also doesn't want to appoint an injured vet QB, who won't have any OTA's with a new team, as his starter.

He strongly qualified his "Smith is the current Starter" statement, with a less then complimentary "He's all we got right now" I don't think I have ever heard a HC make a statement like that about his stating QB before.

Guess he's a Smith hater to. Or maybe he has reviewed some game film
 

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AS another poster said, if he excels in OTA, then we are better off know? I like to see a fair competition myself meaning did Smith get all the Reps because the FO mandated it last year? Let Fits, Smith, and simms get equal reps and see who is the best. One final point, ball security should be either #1 or 2 in the eval criteria for any starter this year....
 

Superman55

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He strongly qualified his "Smith is the current Starter" statement, with a less then complimentary "He's all we got right now" I don't think I have ever heard a HC make a statement like that about his stating QB before.

Well, what the HC says above isn't a ringing endorsement for Simms, is it?
 

Superman55

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I don't know why you even bother 55, the depth chart is going to be Fitz, Simms and rookie and not necessarily in that order.

hahahahaha...in some people's minds...

Its funny, to me, this makes as much sense as saying Hugh Hefner will be the next president of the Unites States. People will scream at the top of their lungs, "no, no, this opinion isn't as dumb as thinking Hefner will be the next president."

Well, I'll be the first to say, "yes, little jimmy, it's just as dumb to think so."

 
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flgreen

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Well, what the HC says above isn't a ringing endorsement for Simms, is it?

As I stated several times in the OP, and in following posts, "I'm not saying Simms is the next anything" other then he is an intriguing player, who has earned the right, just by surviving with the odds stacked against him to compete, with what appears to be a failed QB, to see who competes with an established veteran for the starting job this summer.

Jets news is in a dead zone right now between FA and the draft. As I have attempted to do since this site started was put up a thread that might bring out some good natured debate, and keep the site entertaining.

Some posters can't deal with good natured debate and feel compelled to go with demeaning personal retorts. Oh well
 

Superman55

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As I stated several times in the OP, and in following posts, "I'm not saying Simms is the next anything" other then he is an intriguing player, who has earned the right, just by surviving with the odds stacked against him to compete, with what appears to be a failed QB, to see who competes with an established veteran for the starting job this summer.

Jets news is in a dead zone right now between FA and the draft. As I have attempted to do since this site started was put up a thread that might bring out some good natured debate, and keep the site entertaining.

Some posters can't deal with good natured debate and feel compelled to go with demeaning personal retorts. Oh well

if you have concerns about posters posting this way, you should stick to the topic and not keep referring your posts at the posters.

The point was, Bowles said Geno is all we have with Fitz injured, he also referred to adding Qbs during the draft, and also said "we have nothing else."

In none of my posts did I refer Simms to being the next anything, only that in discussions so far with the media, he's been referred to directly as nothing, because geno is all we got, and also referred to as Geno, Fitz, and we'll be adding more to the position...again, referred to as "nothing."

The point of my post, was about the topic, and if we're going to say "so far Bowles hasn't said anything that's a ringing endorsement of geno and our future with him," which seems to be what you're implying, he's provided even less lackluster feedback on Simms, which is also telling...

What's good for the goose also has to be good for the gander. you cant pick and choose when that example is appropriate.
 

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I've always been curious to see what Simms could do given an extended opportunity (a few games).

The coaching staff evaluates Simms everyday throughout practice and during the course of the season.

Something tells me that if the coaching staff felt he was any better than what we already have (or had) he would have found his way onto the field.
 

Superman55

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I've always been curious to see what Simms could do given an extended opportunity (a few games).

The coaching staff evaluates Simms everyday throughout practice and during the course of the season.

Something tells me that if the coaching staff felt he was any better than what we already have (or had) he would have found his way onto the field.

I agree with flgreen he'll get another shot during OTAs. I am sure if he can make the coaches eyes real big and gets them excited, he'll get a shot. He's 0 for 2 so far with OCs and QB coaches making that happen, but maybe Gaily sees him as a fit. It will likely be Simms, Geno, and a rookie for awhile, so we shall see.

Not that stats mean anything, as people like to throw out, but here's Simms stats last preseason in Marty's system, definitely not bad: 29/49 (59%) 323 yards (6.6/attempt, not bad) 1 TD and 0 INTs.

Big chunks of yards per completion and 0 turnovers. What's not to like. Lets see if new coaches bring new hope and perspective to his career. So far, they speak of him as another arm at camp. Maybe he'll show them more. Time will tell.
 

TurboJet

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I agree with flgreen he'll get another shot during OTAs. I am sure if he can make the coaches eyes real big and gets them excited, he'll get a shot. He's 0 for 2 so far with OCs and QB coaches making that happen, but maybe Gaily sees him as a fit. It will likely be Simms, Geno, and a rookie for awhile, so we shall see.

Not that stats mean anything, as people like to throw out, but here's Simms stats last preseason in Marty's system, definitely not bad: 29/49 (59%) 323 yards (6.6/attempt, not bad) 1 TD and 0 INTs.

Big chunks of yards per completion and 0 turnovers. What's not to like. Lets see if new coaches bring new hope and perspective to his career. So far, they speak of him as another arm at camp. Maybe he'll show them more. Time will tell.

Maybe Simms "turns a few heads" in camp and impresses Coach Gailey.
But if we draft another QB Simms may not even make the team.
The way the coaching staff is speaking about the QB situation suggests Simms isn't even in their plans.
 
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flgreen

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if you have concerns about posters posting this way, you should stick to the topic and not keep referring your posts at the posters.

The point was, Bowles said Geno is all we have with Fitz injured, he also referred to adding Qbs during the draft, and also said "we have nothing else."

In none of my posts did I refer Simms to being the next anything, only that in discussions so far with the media, he's been referred to directly as nothing, because geno is all we got, and also referred to as Geno, Fitz, and we'll be adding more to the position...again, referred to as "nothing."

The point of my post, was about the topic, and if we're going to say "so far Bowles hasn't said anything that's a ringing endorsement of geno and our future with him," which seems to be what you're implying, he's provided even less lackluster feedback on Simms, which is also telling...

What's good for the goose also has to be good for the gander. you cant pick and choose when that example is appropriate.


Actually the point of the thread that I started was that Simms should be given a fair chance to compete with Smith, because Smith hasn't shown anything to guarantee him anything.

The thread took a dramatic turn off topic when you started with the usual badly veiled personal attack,

"See how jaded Smith haters are?" Or just flat making things up by saying something was said as fact which, as a fact, were never said. " Gaily obviously had no say if Smith is playing..."

Then trying to blame another poster for derailing the thread. LOL

If you have an opinion that Simms is a horrible QB, or that Smith has had a a great few years here, and deserves to have the starting job handed to him in the OTA's. Great. That's what the thread is for. People to express, and debate their options. When you start again to try to be cute, and defame another poster by referring to them as a "hater", or act condescending, and superior, with "Jets' fans are amazing" you present yourself as not such a sharp tack.

Feel free to carry on with your act.
 

Superman55

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Maybe Simms "turns a few heads" in camp and impresses Coach Gailey.
But if we draft another QB Simms may not even make the team.
The way the coaching staff is speaking about the QB situation suggests Simms isn't even in their plans.

Coaching staff and front office.

There's a listening and hearing analogy that should be cut and paste <insert here>.

What have the Jets said? We're going into camp with Geno as the #1 , Fitz recovering until he can step in and compete, and we're not finished adding to the position.

If you listen to the coaching staff and front office, there doesn't seem like much of a future for Matt Simms and the Jets.

If you're hearing the Jets, they're not done at the QB position for our roster, Geno and Fitz are in the equation in a yet to determined capacity till we know all players we'll have at that position, and Matt Simms has never crossed our mind as a possible solution unless the question is who our #4 QB will be going into camp once we finished addressing the position.

There are obviously some who feel Simms will beat out Geno and Geno will be cut (the agenda behind the thread;)). It's way too early to start predicting our QB depth chart.
 
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