Mehta: Geno, Not Mariota, is The Jets Better QB Option

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Mehta: Geno, not Mariota, is Jets' better QB option

Manish Mehta

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INDIANAPOLIS − WARNING: The following column is recommended for mature audiences only. It contains explicit language about a quarterback quandary that is not suitable for children or exasperated grownups. Parental guidance is suggested.

Geno Smith is a better option for the Jets than Oregon star Marcus Mariota.

For all the criticism heaped on Smith the past two seasons, an offensive philosophical shift to a spread system under new offensive coordinator Chan Gailey this season makes him the more sensible choice.

Mariota is the ultimate enigma of a relatively weak 2015 quarterback draft class, the latest signal caller from a college spread system transitioning to the next level. Smith has endured two years of physical and mental growing pains after coming from a spread system where he racked up cartoonish numbers. Gailey’s ability to employ a similar style might give Smith new life after he sank in a complicated West Coast offense.

So, why should the Jets use the coveted sixth pick in the upcoming draft on a spread-system quarterback when they already have one?

New general manager Mike Maccagnan should explore trading the No. 6 pick if Mariota is still on the board − Knock, knock. Who’s there? Chip Kelly, obviously − to upgrade at quarterback and/or accumulate premium future draft picks. Selecting Mariota at No. 6 given the current roster makeup shouldn’t be the priority.

“My goal is to make an impact from Day One,” Mariota said Thursday at the NFL Scouting Combine, but so many questions linger.




The Heisman Trophy winner admitted that calling plays in a huddle, the most fundamental responsibility of a NFL quarterback, will be different for him. “I haven’t huddled in a while,” Mariota said. “It seems like a little detail, but that is kind of a big thing.”

There are more pivotal issues that can’t be ignored by intrigued teams. Mariota’s transition to playing under center and making anticipatory throws by going through his progressions has tripped up spread quarterbacks in recent years.

The uneven returns from quarterbacks such as Colin Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III and Smith, who have come from spread college systems, should give teams with conventional pro-style offenses pause for concern.

“I think it’ll be an adjustment that I’ll be able to handle,” Mariota said, but it’s easier said than done.

Although Mariota, who has received pointers recently from Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers, maintains that he’s made strides in his offseason work in the run-up to the Combine, Smith will be the first to admit that the conversion takes much more than a few weeks or months.





Like Geno Smith, Marcus Mariota is a spread-system quarterback. For that reason alone, he"s not worth a coveted No. 6 draft pick.


Smith needed most of his rookie year to sharpen footwork on drop-backs from under center. Mariota hasn’t picked the brains of any of the young NFL quarterbacks who made the transition from predominantly playing in the shotgun, but it’s clear that teams that don’t employ significant elements of the spread system will have to be patient with Mariota with no guarantee that he’ll become the star he was at Oregon.

“My motivation isn’t to prove anybody wrong,” Mariota said. “My motivation is to make a dream come true for me.”

There’s a growing sentiment that the Buccaneers will take Florida State’s Jameis Winston with the top pick in the draft on April 30. Although the Titans have a need at quarterback, it would hardly be a surprise if they passed on Mariota at No. 2 to continue to develop second-year signal caller Zach Mettenberger. The Jaguars, Raiders and Washington, the next three teams on the clock, won’t be looking for quarterbacks, leaving Mariota on the board for the Jets.

Mariota’s college production — 105 touchdowns and only 14 interceptions in three seasons as a starter − makes it so tempting to envision what he might become at the next level. He racked up 58 total touchdowns (42 passing, 15 rushing and 1 receiving) with 750 rushing yards this season.

Smith’s college production as a passer was equally impressive in his final two seasons (73 touchdowns and 13 INTs), but the realities of playing in one of the most complicated and verbose pro systems helped turn him into a statistical nightmare with the Jets.

At times, Smith’s play was not suitable for any audience. It was cringe-worthy stuff, but he has confronted the physical and mental hurdles that Mariota has yet to face.

The Jets should try to upgrade at the game’s most important position by any means necessary. Smith might not be the answer, but he makes more sense for the Jets right now than another quarterback from a college spread system.
 
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Well, I guess that settles it for me, if Mehta thinks Smith is better then Mariota, I'm all in with Mariota
 
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Been thinking about this for a few years now. Why would a talented kid, who is being recruited by several schools select a school that runs a spread offense if he wants to be a pro?
 

Superman55

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I dont think anything said is anything new...Mariota is Geno 2 years ago...was Geno ready to play? No. Was Alex Smith day 1 as a rookie, was Aaron Rodgers, was Kapernick? No, no, and no.

Mariota doesn't know how to call plays, has zero NFL footwork, has never progressed through reads (or even turned his head to the other side of the field for a play), or had to read defensive fronts or coverage packages...why is it a shock Mariota isn't the answer for the Jets? If we draft him, he isn't the answer till 2016 or 2017...Geno is a better answer until then. I dont think that's devil's advocate. I think that's fact. Mariota said he spends all night in bed reading a play sheet while staring at the ceiling just learning how to say plays out loud...he doesn't even know how to call plays...

The guy is as elementary when it comes to knowing how to play QB in the pros as a kid right out of high school...
 
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I dont think anything said is anything new...Mariota is Geno 2 years ago...was Geno ready to play? No. Was Alex Smith day 1 as a rookie, was Aaron Rodgers, was Kapernick? No, no, and no.

Mariota doesn't know how to call plays, has zero NFL footwork, has never progressed through reads (or even turned his head to the other side of the field for a play), or had to read defensive fronts or coverage packages...why is it a shock Mariota isn't the answer for the Jets? If we draft him, he isn't the answer till 2016 or 2017...Geno is a better answer until then. I dont think that's devil's advocate. I think that's fact. Mariota said he spends all night in bed reading a play sheet while staring at the ceiling just learning how to say plays out loud...he doesn't even know how to call plays...

The guy is as elementary when it comes to knowing how to play QB in the pros as a kid right out of high school...


Just because they are both from a spread offense doesn't mean they are the same player. Mariota is taller then Smith, more elusive then smith, better arm then Smith, and just a better football player then Smith.

In a fair competition IMO Mariota would beat Smith out this year, regardless of what Mehta thinks. That wouldn't be a good thing for Mariota, he needs to sit this year.

IMO, Mariota's floor is going to be a good QB in the NFL. Smith's ceiling is going to be a back up.
 
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Gonna be tough for Clark Kent when Mariota comes in as a rookie, hopefully as a Jet, and lights it up on the field for a decade or more including hoisting multiple Lombardis.

Will he be able to say .... I was completely wrong in comparing a great NFL QB with Geno the bust??

Stay tuned
 

Superman55

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Just because they are both from a spread offense doesn't mean they are the same player. Mariota is taller then Smith, more elusive then smith, better arm then Smith, and just a better football player then Smith.

In a fair competition IMO Mariota would beat Smith out this year, regardless of what Mehta thinks. That wouldn't be a good thing for Mariota, he needs to sit this year.

IMO, Mariota's floor is going to be a good QB in the NFL. Smith's ceiling is going to be a back up.

He's working out right now with Rivers and if he's as smart as they say he is, he'll absorb a lot of the fundamentals and verbiage. I am sure he'll pick up a lot, but I still think he needs two NFL off seasons, training camps, and a year of absorbing how offenses game plan against defensive schemes under Gaily. I think he would be best served waiting a year to challenge for the #1 . But maybe you think his brains match his 40 time. We'll see.
 

jetgreen13

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I dont think anything said is anything new...Mariota is Geno 2 years ago...was Geno ready to play? No. Was Alex Smith day 1 as a rookie, was Aaron Rodgers, was Kapernick? No, no, and no.

Mariota doesn't know how to call plays, has zero NFL footwork, has never progressed through reads (or even turned his head to the other side of the field for a play), or had to read defensive fronts or coverage packages...why is it a shock Mariota isn't the answer for the Jets? If we draft him, he isn't the answer till 2016 or 2017...Geno is a better answer until then. I dont think that's devil's advocate. I think that's fact. Mariota said he spends all night in bed reading a play sheet while staring at the ceiling just learning how to say plays out loud...he doesn't even know how to call plays...

The guy is as elementary when it comes to knowing how to play QB in the pros as a kid right out of high school...
OK, how about semantics?? like you said, we all realize mariota is going to need to watch, study & learn how to run a pro offense in the pros.. that certainly hasn't prevented him from being everyone's first or second QB prospect in the draft for months..

metha could have written this fluff without watching mariota or smith ever play football..
 
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He's working out right now with Rivers and if he's as smart as they say he is, he'll absorb a lot of the fundamentals and verbiage. I am sure he'll pick up a lot, but I still think he needs two NFL off seasons, training camps, and a year of absorbing how offenses game plan against defensive schemes under Gaily. I think he would be best served waiting a year to challenge for the #1 . But maybe you think his brains match his 40 time. We'll see.

What your saying is fundamentality true. Mariota has a lot of hard work and catching up to do. That's why I prefer Winston in this draft.

What I was reacting to was this statement

"Mariota is Geno 2 years ago"

I probably over reacted, but they just aren't the same player.

Mariota IMO is going to be a good football player, and your right, It's down the road.

Smith isn't
 

BlindsideD'Brick

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He's working out right now with Rivers and if he's as smart as they say he is, he'll absorb a lot of the fundamentals and verbiage. I am sure he'll pick up a lot, but I still think he needs two NFL off seasons, training camps, and a year of absorbing how offenses game plan against defensive schemes under Gaily. I think he would be best served waiting a year to challenge for the #1 . But maybe you think his brains match his 40 time. We'll see.

I haven't always agreed with 55. As a matter of fact, I've had some serious beefs with him.

And I absolutely despise Manish Mehta. He's an asshat of the worst variety.

But on this issue, I think I'm in agreement with both. I think Geno just might be a better option than Mariota for the aforementioned reasons given. Year 3, spread offense roots, and Geno has experience. Gailey just might turn this kid around. It's not as far-fetched as some anti-Geno fans wanna believe.

(Side note: 55, im not putting you in the same category as Mehta. I would never stoop that low).
 

NickSINYC

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I haven't always agreed with 55. As a matter of fact, I've had some serious beefs with him.

And I absolutely despise Manish Mehta. He's an asshat of the worst variety.

But on this issue, I think I'm in agreement with both. I think Geno just might be a better option than Mariota for the aforementioned reasons given. Year 3, spread offense roots, and Geno has experience. Gailey just might turn this kid around. It's not as far-fetched as some anti-Geno fans wanna believe.

(Side note: 55, im not putting you in the same category as Mehta. I would never stoop that low).

I have never been real high where Geno is concerned. With that said I believe Gailey can turn him in to a winning serviceable QB.

My problem is I think he can turn Mariota or Winston in to good QBs. I don't want to settle foe serviceable when I have a chance at better than that.
 
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I have never been real high where Geno is concerned. With that said I believe Gailey can turn him in to a winning serviceable QB.

My problem is I think he can turn Mariota or Winston in to good QBs. I don't want to settle foe serviceable when I have a chance at better than that.

I just couldn't agree with you more. Gaily has a sensational history of making Meh QB's look good. He's going to play to Smith's strong points, Make him, as you said

"a winning serviceable QB"

I would just love to see what he can do with a young QB who has a high ceiling
 

jetgreen13

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I have never been real high where Geno is concerned. With that said I believe Gailey can turn him in to a winning serviceable QB.

My problem is I think he can turn Mariota or Winston in to good QBs. I don't want to settle foe serviceable when I have a chance at better than that.
a lot of us here were pushing for gailey (before you guys got here) because of exactly what you just described.. he's done really well with marginal/average QB talent.. i'm still pumped we got him..
 
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manish will say anything last year he was ripping geno now all of a sudden he is a good option?
 

Jet Fan RI

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I agree with Mehta. Using the #6 pick on Mariota would be a waste. The Jets need to fill the other holes in the team, pick up a journeyman QB somewhere, and keep working with Geno.
 

Football51

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manish will say anything last year he was ripping geno now all of a sudden he is a good option?



Last year, he wrote an article predicting Mariota would be the Jets qb in 2015. He said that would finally give the Jets a franchise qb because Smith stinks. I wish I could find it. He did the same thing with Revis. When Idzik was hired, he blamed Woody for the Revis trade. Then, a couple of months ago, he wrote an article saying the exact opposite that it was Idzik and not Woody who wanted Revis gone. Mehta is a TMZ reporter at best.
 

McJet

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He's working out right now with Rivers and if he's as smart as they say he is, he'll absorb a lot of the fundamentals and verbiage. I am sure he'll pick up a lot, but I still think he needs two NFL off seasons, training camps, and a year of absorbing how offenses game plan against defensive schemes under Gaily. I think he would be best served waiting a year to challenge for the #1 . But maybe you think his brains match his 40 time. We'll see.

So what if Geno sat for the two training camps and seasons to learn the pro game. Instead, he was thrust into the starting line up week one and went 8-8 with some horrible games but also with some good ones. Last year there was some really bad games, BAD. He also had a few promising moments and an actual complete game against Miami.
Who knows what Gailey can do with Smith, nobody knows what Mariota will become. If the Jets draft Mariota and Geno actually excels with Gailey then at least they could turn Mariota or Smith into a future pick. Probably wouldn't be a top ten though.
we'll see.
I know we all want the same thing, a winning QB that'll put the Jets into the play offs season after season. Just like we have been watching the Patriots do for over a decade.
 

Copernicus

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I dont think anything said is anything new...Mariota is Geno 2 years ago...was Geno ready to play? No. Was Alex Smith day 1 as a rookie, was Aaron Rodgers, was Kapernick? No, no, and no.

Mariota doesn't know how to call plays, has zero NFL footwork, has never progressed through reads (or even turned his head to the other side of the field for a play), or had to read defensive fronts or coverage packages...why is it a shock Mariota isn't the answer for the Jets? If we draft him, he isn't the answer till 2016 or 2017...Geno is a better answer until then. I dont think that's devil's advocate. I think that's fact. Mariota said he spends all night in bed reading a play sheet while staring at the ceiling just learning how to say plays out loud...he doesn't even know how to call plays...

The guy is as elementary when it comes to knowing how to play QB in the pros as a kid right out of high school...

I mentioned this in another thread. I am leaning towards this way of thinking more and more. My perfect scenario in this moment, Mariotta is there at 6 we trade down, gain picks, and still draft Kevin White. Am I asking for too much?
 
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