Mike Maccagnan drafted 9 skill position players

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Mike Maccagnan drafted 9 skill position players who have combined for 248 NFL games - the best single-season scrimmage yardage total by any of them was Chris Herndon with 502 in 2018

Michael Carter already has 673 scrimmage yards in 9 games
 

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While on one hand he couldn't evaluate position players, on the other hand, he didn't draft offensive linemen, either.

Later
 

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So not to pile on but drafting isn't an exact science and every GM will have their share of misses. But just looking at what Mac did, I would be hard pressed to claim he was a HORRIBLE GM who didn't draft anything worth keeping.

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Leonard Williams
Jordan Jenkins
Jamal Adams
Marcus Maye
Sam Darnold
Nathan Shepherd
Chris Herndon
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All of these players are GOOD NFL players with a few studs in there! I've yet to see trader Joe pick up a "stud" or even "very GOOD" player! Accumulating a ton of draft capital to keep drafting busts is NOT a strength.
 

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So not to pile on but drafting isn't an exact science and every GM will have their share of misses. But just looking at what Mac did, I would be hard pressed to claim he was a HORRIBLE GM who didn't draft anything worth keeping.

Mike Maccagnan

Leonard Williams
Jordan Jenkins
Jamal Adams
Marcus Maye
Sam Darnold
Nathan Shepherd
Chris Herndon
Folorunso Fatukasi

All of these players are GOOD NFL players with a few studs in there! I've yet to see trader Joe pick up a "stud" or even "very GOOD" player! Accumulating a ton of draft capital to keep drafting busts is NOT a strength.
How would you characterize Alijah Vera Tucker? Mekhi Becton? Bryce Hall?
And despite his troubles this year, I am still high on Denzel Mims.
 

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How would you characterize Alijah Vera Tucker? Mekhi Becton? Bryce Hall?
And despite his troubles this year, I am still high on Denzel Mims.
Denzel Mims I would love to see more of.

Becton can't stay healthy, AVT looks great so far, but way too early to judge anything on him. Bryce Hall was a low risk/high reward pick, but with our secondary being "dead last" in the NFL very hard to grade anyone out well there.

How exactly does this all of that translate to Mac was a Horrible GM? You specifically pick one part of an entire post to try to get your jolly's barking about?

My post was specifically to highlight that MAC didn't do "the worst job in the history of being a GM" and point out that he made a ton of good/great pickups, so just calling him a failure and not looking at the "less than stellar" job JD has done is not realistic.
 

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Jets won 20 games in his 1st 3 years with Mac. Jets have won 11 with Joe Douglas and everyone says the 1st year with JD shouldn't count so they have won 4 games with Douglas. I'm not impressed with JD except he knows how to make trades. If this team is not competitive in 100% of their games next year and winning close to half of them then I'm done with JD. Mac sucked as a GM and so far JD is headed down the same path.
 

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Jets won 20 games in his 1st 3 years with Mac. Jets have won 11 with Joe Douglas and everyone says the 1st year with JD shouldn't count so they have won 4 games with Douglas. I'm not impressed with JD except he knows how to make trades. If this team is not competitive in 100% of their games next year and winning close to half of them then I'm done with JD. Mac sucked as a GM and so far JD is headed down the same path.

I totally get the "exclude year 1" because he inherited that team (so essentially he didn't have any input or contribution there).

I agree 100% that so far, his strength has been trading away established players for draft capital!! And I haven't been impressed with what he has done with that capital. He is amassing more picks than he can use! We have drafted players that didn't even make the roster this year.
 

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I totally get the "exclude year 1" because he inherited that team (so essentially he didn't have any input or contribution there).

I agree 100% that so far, his strength has been trading away established players for draft capital!! And I haven't been impressed with what he has done with that capital. He is amassing more picks than he can use! We have drafted players that didn't even make the roster this year.

Plus he hired what seems to me an incompetent coaching staff so far. He has tons of picks and money so next year has to be a year in which they aren't eliminated by October 1st.
 

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All JD has to be right on is Zach Wilson and the rest of the team will fall into place. I have my doubts that he got it right. If he didn't we will be picking top 3 for next 5 years.
 

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Well everyone knows I've been asking for Mims since day 1! He showed promise last year but the new CS don't seem to want to have anything to do with him.

I won't call them incompetent yet, but I will say they have been extremely rigid and inflexible! The name of the game is being agile and adjusting! We seem "unwilling" to do that. I get forcing your will, but if it isn't working, you need to change it up!
 

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Well everyone knows I've been asking for Mims since day 1! He showed promise last year but the new CS don't seem to want to have anything to do with him.

I won't call them incompetent yet, but I will say they have been extremely rigid and inflexible! The name of the game is being agile and adjusting! We seem "unwilling" to do that. I get forcing your will, but if it isn't working, you need to change it up!
Mims had several chances to make plays looked lethargic and lost... I don't think he is ready... His route running out of college was the 9 route and thats it... Now they are asking him to learn the route tree while trying to understand his role and he seems to be a slow learner but he has talent and they have not given up on him...
 

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Well everyone knows I've been asking for Mims since day 1! He showed promise last year but the new CS don't seem to want to have anything to do with him.

I won't call them incompetent yet, but I will say they have been extremely rigid and inflexible! The name of the game is being agile and adjusting! We seem "unwilling" to do that. I get forcing your will, but if it isn't working, you need to change it up!

You get to be rigid when you win games. This staff has two wins. We will be hiring a new staff soon if this continues.
 

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What happens if we hire a new staff and the DC wants to go to a 3-4 or the OC wants to go to a 3 TE, FB, HB run, run, run. To top that off he wants our running game to follow behind RG Greg Van Roten. Give Saleh and his staff there 3 years to develop there team.
 

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What happens if we hire a new staff and the DC wants to go to a 3-4 or the OC wants to go to a 3 TE, FB, HB run, run, run. To top that off he wants our running game to follow behind RG Greg Van Roten. Give Saleh and his staff there 3 years to develop there team.
If that happens we will be back where we started (trying to fit square pegs into round holes to fit a system, rather than design a system to fit your players) 🤣 🤣
 

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Joe has had 2 draft classes so far - and already he's been judged? talk about shortsightedness. Can't blame a GM for a player being hurt. As for Mikey Mac -he hit on the obvious top 5 picks and is very so-so on anything beyond. Worst GM? No - that would be Idzik who was a complete zero. Roster is showing now 4-5 years down the road what happens when you miss on the draft. It's also why 1+ years isn't enough to evaluate so I don't want to hear the crap about a bad Joe D draft. Players are playing and contributing - his first draft has been marked more by injury than anything. This one is taking some injury hits but also some good signs (Tucker, Moore, Carter, Carter as starters). Now he has had a curious pick or two - James Morgan for one. Mims another - Baylor not known for WRs that translate well to NFL despite gaudy numbers in college. I have to ask how much Gase contributed or did not to that Mims pick - they were equals whereas now Joe hired Saleh and though I believe the HC has input, Joe has final say. Is there really grounds to complain about this draft class?
 
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