My overall thoughts on the Jets draft

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First, I obviously hated the idea of taking Safeties with the first two picks and nothing has changed in that regard. Its not even anything against Marcus Maye, the kid is a good football player and I'm well aware of the fact that I could be singing a different tune if this turns into Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor, which is obviously what Mac & Bowles had in mind. If that wasn't what they envisioned with these two picks, there's no way in hell they would have done this, no matter how stupid you think they are or aren't.

So if that happens, then I'll be eating some serious crow and I'll have plenty of company at that dinner table, and make no mistake about it, I'm not one of those guys who would rather be right if its bad for the team that I root for. I would be thrilled if the backend of this defense turns into the LOB 2.0, but IMO thats what has to happen for this to make sense, otherwise it was a dumb, ill conceived idea and a poor allocation resources (i.e. draft picks), especially with guys like Sid Jones, Dalvin Cook and two stud TE's (Everett & Shaheen) still on the board, all of whom went off the board quickly after we selected Maye within the next six picks. But again, if this turns into Thomas & Chancellor then I'll gladly take my crow well done, and I'll keep an open mind.

As for the rest of the draft, let me start by getting my last big complaint out of the way, and thats the value Mac received on his trade downs. I have zero problem with trading down in theory, I like more picks as much as the next guy, but if I can't AT LEAST receive chart value for trading down, my response to opposing GM's is GFY and Goodbye. If you want to trade up, you obviously have a specific player targeted that you really covet, and fear losing. If you can't AT LEAST give me chart value for that player, then GFY and Goodbye.

As for the actual picks, and now I'm grading them in a vacuum WITHOUT considering all of the above, just solely based on talent and upside, and here's where I probably have a more favorable view of this draft than you might suspect, considering how most of my time the past few days was spent venting over all of the above.

RD 1. Jamal Adams, S, LSU

Clearly a consensus TOP 3 player in this draft, most ranked him #2 and some had him at #3, and a few had him behind Fournette at #4, very few, so the bottom line is, much like Leonard Williams a kid fell into our laps who nobody anticipated sliding to #6, only Adams filled a much bigger need than Williams, so the actual pick was a no brainier. Whether you love the idea of a Safety that high or hate it, doesn't matter if Safety is not a sexy pick, he clearly carried the highest grade when the Jets went on the clock and they'd have been negligent to pass on him. A+

RD 2. Marcus Maye, S, Florida


As promised I will discount the idea of back-to-back Safeties here, but I can't discount the players who were still on the board because much of the draft is not only about who you picked, but also who you didn't pick when you selected said player. For example, what made Ken O'Brien such an awful pick back in the day was not so much that Ken O'Brien sucked, HE DIDN'T, before he became shell-shocked he was actually quite good, but passing on Dan Marino was always what made KOB a dumb pick. Ditto passing on Ed Reed for Brady or Becht or some other useless clown. That said, I like Marcus Maye as a player and think he has a chance to form the previously mentioned LOB 2.0 in the backend with Adams, but HE BETTER because we left some damn good prospects on the board when we picked him, arguably the best CB in the draft (Jones) when healthy and two young TE's that I loved. I would have taken any one of those three ahead of Maye if given the choice, and Dalvin Cook too, so I'm gonna pay special close attention to their careers and his, but as a player I like Maye so I''ll be fair and give this pick a C+

RD 3) ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama


At this point in the draft there wasn't much to choose from, so I have no real complaints other than I would NOT have traded down and would have taken Tim Williams who IMO was one of the best pure edge rushers in this class, a first round talent, early 2 at worst, but slid to the 3rd because of failed drug tests and a gun charge. Yes it would have been a colossal risk, but IMO this kid has legit 15 Sacks potential and I would have taken that gamble in RD 3. But that aside, having traded down and missed Williams by ONE PICK, I like the Bama' WR, reminds me of Anquan Boldin, so I like the player we selected. I don't love him, but I like him and think he has a chance to become a solid contributor. B

RD 4) Chad Hansen, WR, California


I'm going to say something politically incorrect here, so skip this one SJW's and Snowflakes because you might not like what it suggests, but IMO this kid fell to the 4th RD largely because he's white and NFL talent evaluators are as human as the rest of us, they know quality white WR's are an anomaly, which is not to suggest that there aren't any, just that its pretty rare, so they are naturally predisposed towards being a little more dismissive of kids like Hansen than they should be. I mean you watch his tape and look at the numbers he put up, and IMO if he was black he would have been a consensus 2nd RD Pick, probably gets drafted ahead of Stewart who we took in the 3rd. This pick has genuine steal potential. B+

RD 5) Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson


With Clemson being such a prominent program these past two years, back to back trips to the National Title Game and winning the second, naturally that means they were on TV quite often on the east coast and I got to watch a lot of their games, thus a lot of Leggett. There were times, particularly in the biggest games, where I thought I was watching a 1st RD Pick. If you let me pick some of his best games and that was the only tape you could look at, you would have tagged him a 1st RD Pick too. His size, athleticism and penchant for making big plays in the passing game made him look like the prototypical receiving TE that NFL teams covet. 6' 6" and a playmaker, plain and simple. But then there were games where he did absolutely nothing. Disappeared. You would not even have known he was in the game if you didn't go out of your way to look for him, which was inexplicable, that guy had the talent to dominate week after week, but the same can be said of OJ Howard, he too should have been way more dominant week after week, but at least he had the excuse of a novice QB who wasn't much of a thrower, not Deshaun Watson. So Leggett is a bit of an enigma, the size and skill are apparent, there were games where all of that was on display, the kid has big-time potential as a playmaker, but the inconsistency and "lazy" label is why a 2nd RD talent slid all the way to the 5th. That said, it was well worth the gamble in RD 5, if you can unlock his potential you will have a serious weapon at TE. B

RD 5) Dylan Donahue, ER, West Georgia


Anyone who knows me, knows I have a special affinity for small school studs. Its always been one of my favorite parts of the draft, trying to discover the small school guys who have a real chance to make some noise in the NFL, and those guys are not as rare as you might think, the league is littered with them and always has been, its just a matter of finding them. That said, when I watched this kids highlight reel I was blown away by his quickness, strength and variety of pass rushing moves off the edge and even inside on stunts. I swear I felt like I was watching Kevin Greene, who ironically will be his position coach with the Jets. I don't know if he was just a man against boys at that lower level, if what he did there can translate to the NFL, I'm no dummy, I know the leap up in competition is gigantic, but this kid has legit NFL 3-4 OLB size and those pass rush skills I saw were special, and relentless. This is the kind of gamble I LOVE taking in the later rounds. B+

RD 6) Elijah McGuire, RB, Louisiana-Lafayette


Didn't know anything at all about this kid until we drafted him, but watched his tape and was impressed by his quickness, acceleration and cuts. I also know that he played with a foot injury this year and because of that his 2016 season was not nearly as impressive as 2015. That could be a good thing. That could be the reason why his draft status took a hit and he was there for us in the 6th RD, or maybe not, I can't say for sure either way, I just know we needed another RB for depth and I like what I saw on his tape. B-

RD 6) Jeremy Clark, CB, Michigan

Coming off a torn ACL so 2017 will probably be a redshirt year, perhaps a year on IR or the PUP, but 6' 3"/220 CB's don't grow on trees and this kid has some skills as a physical bump & run corner we can possibly develop. As a developmental prospect, I like the idea of drafting such a big, physical corner who slid in the draft due to a serious injury. I was ready to take Sidney Jones in the 2nd RD for the same reason, though obviously Jones is on another level. But again, in theory its a good idea and worth a try. B

RD 6) Derrick Jones, CB, Ole Miss


Another worthy gamble on a CB with terrific size. Jones is a converted WR who has flashed some real skills in man coverage. Undoubtedly he's a project, but you can't teach 6' 2"/190 and he had a terrific pro day. Again, IMO this type of project is the right way to use a late round pick, even if it fails. B

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Overall Grade: B-


The sad part is, this had the potential to draw an A, but the 2nd RD and settling for less than market value on their first two trade downs (haven't checked the last two) knocks this down to a B- for me. You have to maximize the value when you trade draft picks, or at least receive fair market value. Doing neither of the two is unacceptable in my view, and it sends a message to the rest of the league that you are an easy mark. And there's no reason to beat a dead horse about my feelings regarding RD 2, so all things considered, while I like most of the picks, the idea behind them and the value, those two negatives drop the overall grade to a B- for me.
 
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Great job Ham, a lot of effort went into that. Thanks

Would reply more but I have church, and fishing today. :)
 

NewMFS62

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I think that Mac must have been sexually abused as a child by an offensive tackle. That's why he still refuses to utter those words, especially on draft day.

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lounap23

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I said it before. We have a lot of holes to fill and S was huge. With Gilchrist injured and the cloud over Pryor. I don't hate going back to back Safeties. The WR's were a shock at first but the thing I think Macc and Bowles wanted was not only quality WR's but also WR's that can play on ST and unfortunately outside of J Marshall last year, and he was shaky, the rest of them couldn't these guys can.

I think your Grades are fair with the exception of Maye... I watched this kid play at Florida and he is a solid player. Totally understand your take with Cook on the board but Maye is a B+ pick in that spot IMO even with Cook on the board... I know you hae 2 safeties back to back but if these Kids play to their ability you'll be singing a different tune and quickly.. Also what people fail to realize their are a lot of character issues with Cook. So that did scare teams away. Macc and Bowles selected guys that fit a few criteria..

1. Can they Play and are they rated high enough on their board to be picked at that spot
2. Do they have good Characther
3 Were they considered leaders in their locker rooms
 

hobson54

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excellent analysis. i think you are a little too harsh on the 2nd rounder, which impacts your overall grade. you have every pick being a B or better, except maye being a C+ and one of the late picks being a B-. not sure how you take all that, including an A+ for the 1st pick (and you forgot to add we have an extra 2018 5th rounder) and come up to an overall B- grade.

also, if not for the trade down you didn't like on value, you would only be grading 7 players, not 9 plus a future asset.

but still, nice write up.
 

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I agree that Maye is a B+

I downgraded him to a C+ solely based on the talent that was still left on the board when we picked him.

The grade had more to do with that than it did with Maye, but I agree that Maye is a B+ prospect in RD 2

Read the write-up, it explains my logic behind the grade.
 
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ReallyBigfan

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Ham, maybe this will help you feel better about the trade-downs (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/n...ur-picks-into-seven-while-making-five-trades/):

"Newer-school draft thinkers that prefer to use the AV-based draft value chart popularized by Chase Stuart (explained here and here) and favored by more analytically-inclined front offices will likely think of this series of deals as a clear win. There, the Jets surrendered four picks totaling 13.6 points, and received six picks totaling 14.4 points in this year's draft, and a fifth-round selection that will yield between 2.3 and 3.7 points in the 2018 draft, depending on where the Cowboys finish next season That's the equivalent of generating a fourth or fifth-round pick out of mid-air, and you get to make seven selections out of four. That's a win no matter how you slice it."
 
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Well, despite the fact that this draft flies directly in the face of conventional type thinking, like building from the inside out, it's pretty obvious this is a much better draft than any Mac's had in NY.

I really don't think the Jets will win many games in 2017. Maybe 2 or 3? This team has no OL and once again it was completely ignored. With all of the suspect starters and ZERO depth it's easy to see that ANY QB used will struggle mightily behind this OL.

But I also tend to believe that if and when they get an OL, this team could easily look a lot more talented than in quite some time?

I also see true common sense virtue in some of Mac's thinking. He knew that the drafting of Devin Smith is a bust. He knows it was stupid to acquire Marcus Gilchrist. He thinks Calvin Pryor will never improve as a player. So he just cuts to the chase and doesn't waste time? I admire that his actions over the last couple days is him saying he knows he fucked up. As a result, there's a good possibility the following players could be cut or traded:

Calvin Pryor
Marcus Gilchrist
Devin Smith
Eric Decker

As much as I hate to see Decker go, Decker is not a number 1 WR, nor will he ever be. Enunwa is good enough to take over as a number 2. But he is also not good enough to be a number 1 WR. There's no one right now on the team capable of being a number 1 WR.
 

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Well, despite the fact that this draft flies directly in the face of conventional type thinking, like building from the inside out, it's pretty obvious this is a much better draft than any Mac's had in NY.

I really don't think the Jets will win many games in 2017. Maybe 2 or 3? This team has no OL and once again it was completely ignored. With all of the suspect starters and ZERO depth it's easy to see that ANY QB used will struggle mightily behind this OL.

But I also tend to believe that if and when they get an OL, this team could easily look a lot more talented than in quite some time?

I also see true common sense virtue in some of Mac's thinking. He knew that the drafting of Devin Smith is a bust. He knows it was stupid to acquire Marcus Gilchrist. He thinks Calvin Pryor will never improve as a player. So he just cuts to the chase and doesn't waste time? I admire that his actions over the last couple days is him saying he knows he fucked up. As a result, there's a good possibility the following players could be cut or traded:

Calvin Pryor
Marcus Gilchrist
Devin Smith
Eric Decker

As much as I hate to see Decker go, Decker is not a number 1 WR, nor will he ever be. Enunwa is good enough to take over as a number 2. But he is also not good enough to be a number 1 WR. There's no one right now on the team capable of being a number 1 WR.

I think our oline will be fine.

We have a decent LT in Beachum (our highest paid off season acquisition)
Carpenter who was our best lineman last year
Wes Johnson who played well in Mangolds absence
Brian Winters who is developing into a great player
Brandon Shell or whoever wins the job in the offseason.

These guys will be more than serviceable. When Fitz was in the game last season they looked good. When Petty took the field they started letting defenders in. I blame Petty for that not being able to make the right reads and not making decisions early.

Yes, it would have been great to spend on an lineman just to add some depth but there were other positions of need. Next offseason we will add to the line in both the draft and free agency. We have many holes and Mac chose to address the secondary first. many would agree that it was a disaster last year. I know we didn't get any CBs but safety may have been one of the reasons why our secondary looked like shit last season. Pryor and Gilchrist were always slow and made the wrong reads.

Our secondary is also more improved.

Claiborne
Darryl Roberts - who played good last season and was one of the bright spots of the shitty secondary
Skrine
Burris
Marcus Williams

I hope we keep Decker. He's a solid veteran and can put up decent numbers. He's a big body who runs great routes and always gets open.
 

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Next offseason we will add to the line in both the draft and free agency.
How many years have we been saying that? I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I see a lot of three-and-outs in the Jets future.

Later
 

Elias

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How many years have we been saying that? I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I see a lot of three-and-outs in the Jets future.

Later

Truth is we can't blame Mac for the failure of the past regimes. Based off how they drafted and how everything played out it seems like they know their job is safe for at least one more season. My guess is that he will do that next season but you are right, we've said this way too many times.
 
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Mainejet

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Truth is we can't blame Mac for the failure of the past regimes. Based off how they drafted and how everything played out it seems like they know their job is safe for at least one more season. My guess is that he will do that next season but you are right, we've said this way too many times.

To be fair, you really can't blame Mac for not getting any OL talent in this draft. OL was just exceptionally thin in this draft. We should blame him because he never addressed OL last draft. There were tons of good OL talent. Mac viewed Hackenberg a as more important than trading up to get Laremy Tunsil? Darron Lee was merely extra damage done by such a poor decision. Now we have a QB that sucks so bad the CS doesn't even trust him to take a single snap and an incompetent linebacker that's the same size as the Safeties we just drafted? But Mac has still neglected the OL in his own right.
 

soj

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IMHO the reason they took two WR was Devin Smith injury. Good analysis and when your team is essentially devoid of talent, BPA at the given time makes a lot of sense... As sack suggested in another thread we better hope the FO and CS R on the same page or this will be very ugly instead of just ugly.
 

Elias

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To be fair, you really can't blame Mac for not getting any OL talent in this draft. OL was just exceptionally thin in this draft. We should blame him because he never addressed OL last draft. There were tons of good OL talent. Mac viewed Hackenberg a as more important than trading up to get Laremy Tunsil? Darron Lee was merely extra damage done by such a poor decision. Now we have a QB that sucks so bad the CS doesn't even trust him to take a single snap and an incompetent linebacker that's the same size as the Safeties we just drafted? But Mac has still neglected the OL in his own right.

Do you really think Lee will not be a productive player? Have you seen enough of him to make that judgment?
i feel like last year was a terrible season and we can't really evaluate anyone due to how easy it was for teams to throw on our secondary. I still have hope for Lee, he was close on a lot of plays just always a step slow. Maybe this year with more experience he'll be more productive. He certainly has the speed.
 

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Ham, maybe this will help you feel better about the trade-downs (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/n...ur-picks-into-seven-while-making-five-trades/):

"Newer-school draft thinkers that prefer to use the AV-based draft value chart popularized by Chase Stuart (explained here and here) and favored by more analytically-inclined front offices will likely think of this series of deals as a clear win. There, the Jets surrendered four picks totaling 13.6 points, and received six picks totaling 14.4 points in this year's draft, and a fifth-round selection that will yield between 2.3 and 3.7 points in the 2018 draft, depending on where the Cowboys finish next season That's the equivalent of generating a fourth or fifth-round pick out of mid-air, and you get to make seven selections out of four. That's a win no matter how you slice it."
Thanks RBF, I had never seen or heard of that chart before, but I just tagged it for future reference.
 

Green Jets & Ham

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To be fair, you really can't blame Mac for not getting any OL talent in this draft. OL was just exceptionally thin in this draft.
Good Point, this was arguably the worst O-line class I have ever seen. Honestly, I can't remember worse, and I follow the draft religiously.
 
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Do you really think Lee will not be a productive player? Have you seen enough of him to make that judgment?
i feel like last year was a terrible season and we can't really evaluate anyone due to how easy it was for teams to throw on our secondary. I still have hope for Lee, he was close on a lot of plays just always a step slow. Maybe this year with more experience he'll be more productive. He certainly has the speed.

Well, I certainly don't think he was meant to play inside? Whenever, the lead Guard engaged him on running plays it was immediate game over. In pass coverage, he made opposing QB's look like Montana? The linebackers overall looked so bad that Toilet had Sheldon playing linebacker. Honestly, the whole unit was an embarrassment. Nothing Mac did in this draft is going to change that.

Do I think Lee can be a productive player? Hard telling really. What I do know is that the pick was very poorly utilized. Because Mac wanted Hack so much, he was willing to completely ignore a glaring need and reach horribly on an undersized linebacker.

But I do know that even if the CS plans on utilizing Lee on the outside he's going to have to gain weight and that makes him a project. A project the Jets can ill afford.
 

Green Jets & Ham

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My thoughts on Lee, I'm NOT optimistic, but its still too early to make a final judgement and I'm hoping for the best.

Like Maine, I didn't like the pick when we made it and I said so at the time, loud and clear, I had serious reservations and last year confirmed a lot of them, but I WANT TO BE WRONG and I'm hoping year two shows us a totally different player worthy of the first round pick we spent to get him.
 

hobson54

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another thing to add on not taking an OL this year, technically speaking, brandon shell was acquired with a 2017 4th round draft pick
 
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