New York Jets 2016 NFL Draft Selections

butterscotch

Jets/Cards
Jets Global
Overall, I'm happy with this draft. If Hackenberg eventually becomes the starter, this will go down as a great draft. It should be noted that Mac, TB, the head scout, Gailey,and the QB coach all attended a private workout with Hackenberg, and presumably had a long talk with him. If we are say that we, as laymen and outsiders know better than all of the above men, then we are quite frankly nuts. I did a great deal of reading yesterday, and one of the articles listed all of the QBs that Gailey has worked with. Almost all of them had their best years under Gailey. As our prime example, look at what Chan did with Fitz, whom we all want to return! My main concern with Hack is that he has become gun-shy, as happened with David Carr in Houston. We shall see. In any case, we did NOT give up the farm to draft Hackenberg. It's not as if we traded up and gave up half of our draft, as the first two teams in the draft did this year.

A few other general points: I was the person who first posted the negative evaluations of Pro Football Focus, and I did this *before* the draft started. I do have a great deal of respect for their views, *but*, after my additional reading of other sources, I have realized something about PFF. Their analyses, although extremely sophisticated in most respects, lack context in some instances. For example, with regard to Darron Lee, who was #1 on their "Buyer Beware" list, the analysis mentioned him missing tackles, taking poor angles, etc. However, the PFF write-up did *not* reference the fact that Lee had only been playing linebacker for a short time. Also, an analysis written before the draft would not know that Lee will be playing behind perhaps the best defensive line in the league, thereby providing protection for a light LB. Context is important. It's like a handicapper noting that a horse only finished 6th in his last race, without mentioning that he was trapped along the rail.

Last point for this post: I know that we're all fans, but the knee-jerk negativity of some on this board (and it's worse, I know, on other boards) is monotonous and frustrating. If the Jets don't draft exactly whom *you* want, then everyone involved with the pick is an idiot. There's a phrase for this in psychology: "confirmation bias." There's another word that fits:"childish." Some of the same posters who complained when we *didn't* draft a QB in the 1st round complained when we *did* draft a QB in the 2nd round!! Do you *ever* check yourselves out? If you want to bring up Hackenberg's negatives, go ahead, but...do you realize that the top pick in the draft had a losing record? Most likely, this paragraph will have no effect on those to whom it is directed; it's like trying to argue with a bigot. End of rant.


It goes both ways the people that say everything is great have the same odds of being wrong as the people that say everything is wrong. It works both ways...Bottom line is we should all want super stars out of every pick.. I do on all my picks for the Cards & jets.
 

butterscotch

Jets/Cards
Jets Global
Only this is NOT a great team and you know that. they are looking at 6 wins and I believe I am being truly generous when I say that. More like 5-11.

You may be right but The league stinks now in my book. So almost any team can win now at least in the Conf. So even if the Jets are not that good this year they could still win.

But as the G man said we need to wait to see what else happens this year before the first game.

My problem is I really don't like many of the players on the team even if they are good. I guess Revis is my favorite Jet now along with TB. I hope with this draft I will have some players I like.

We may carry two punters this year because with one he might get a tired leg. It is the O that has me worried
 

AFA2017

Pro Bowl 1st Team
Jet Fanatics
I also don't think this was a great Draft. I don't see Lee as a perfect fit. Hackenberg is a hit or miss and was taken WAY to early. As far as the Jets are concerned, 2nd Rd picks in there history have been awful. 3rd Rd pick Jenkins I feel will be the best pick of the draft along with the punters. I hope I am wrong. I would love to see Hackenberg become the next Joe Namath.
 

lounap23

Legend
Jet Fanatics
I also don't think this was a great Draft. I don't see Lee as a perfect fit. Hackenberg is a hit or miss and was taken WAY to early. As far as the Jets are concerned, 2nd Rd picks in there history have been awful. 3rd Rd pick Jenkins I feel will be the best pick of the draft along with the punters. I hope I am wrong. I would love to see Hackenberg become the next Joe Namath.

MAcc talked about Lee and how eveyone doesn't see him as a fit for the Jets D.... He stated Lee is the perfect for the MoLB'er Bowles loves to implement and tjhey couldn't utilize that role last year cause they didn't have a guy that can do it, now they do...... So that should squash that analysis of Lee not being a fit.... Pat Kirwan talked today about how Lee is the perfect fit to be that MoLB'er Bowles loves to scheme for.... Not the question should shift from is he the right fit, cause he is, to can he play it on the NFL level.....


Can't argue with you on our 2nd rd picks over the years... I like Hackenberg but damn the omen of being a Jets 2nd round pick is jyst terrifying.

I love the Jenkins and Peake picks.
 

Namath12

Pro Bowl Alternate
Jet Fanatics
We all would prefer getting our picks later, but do you know for sure that Hackenberg would have been available later? Gruden thought he'd be a *first* round pick. It would be nice if we could look at the draft boards of the other teams so that we'd know when to trade down or wait to draft someone, but that's not how it works.
 

AFA2017

Pro Bowl 1st Team
Jet Fanatics
We all would prefer getting our picks later, but do you know for sure that Hackenberg would have been available later? Gruden thought he'd be a *first* round pick. It would be nice if we could look at the draft boards of the other teams so that we'd know when to trade down or wait to draft someone, but that's not how it works.

No one has a crystal ball when someone will be drafted. It was my opinion!
 

Oraelo

Franchise Tagged
Jet Fanatics
WTH are you talking about? Leonard Williams was drafted last season. I am talking about THIS season, get it?

I also believe that their 1st round selection is a miscast. He cannot play in this defense. He lacks the prototypical size. So IMO he does NOT benefit the defense now or in time. It's a bad pick.

A direct quote from your post.
 

AFA2017

Pro Bowl 1st Team
Jet Fanatics
We all would prefer getting our picks later, but do you know for sure that Hackenberg would have been available later? Gruden thought he'd be a *first* round pick. It would be nice if we could look at the draft boards of the other teams so that we'd know when to trade down or wait to draft someone, but that's not how it works.

I could care less what Gruden thinks. If he was such a great judge of talent he would be a GM. Blair Thomas was a can't miss star. Gholston was rated as a top 10 pick. IMO I felt it was a reach to take him in the 2nd Rd as was Jaylon Smith with the Cowgirls. I have hope that he is the next Peyton Manning.
 

soj

retired Veteran
Jet Fanatics
I also believe that their 1st round selection is a miscast. He cannot play in this defense. He lacks the prototypical size. So IMO he does NOT benefit the defense now or in time. It's a bad pick.

A direct quote from your post.

With all due respect gents.... Due to his size (6'2/235 lbs) along with god-gifted like athletic abilities? I'm not one bit worried about his size being "too small" because if anything, he has the ability and overall making to cause havoc as a tackling machine for many of years to come. In todays game he's ideal for the LB position in terms of developing into a play-making star. For an example, just take a look at the players in which ranked top 20 in NFL tackles last year (and you'll see some explosive LB's). NaVorro Bowman led the NFL with 154 tackles at 6'0/242bs. D'Qwell Jackson ranked #2 in tackles with 150 at 6'0/242 lbs. Lavonte David ranked 3rd in NFL tackles with 147 at 6'1/233 lbs. Paul Posluszny ranked 5th in tackles with 133 at 6'2/240 lbs. Sean Lee ranked 6th with 128 tackles @ 6'2/238 lbs. Even Telvin Smith ranked 6th with 128 tackles at only 6'3/223 lbs. Malcolm Smith ranked ninth with 122 tackles at only 6'0/225 lbs. Lawrence Timmons ranked 12th with 119 tackles at only 6'1/234 lbs. Luke Kuechly ranked 13th with 118 tackles at 6'3/238 lbs. C.J Mosley ranked 14th with 117 tackles at 6'2/235. Derrick Johnson ranked 16th with 116 tackles at 6'3/242 lbs. Bobby Wagner ranked 19th with 114 tackles at 6'0/241 lbs & last but not least Jerrell Freeman rounded out the top 20 (20th) with 112 tackles at 6'0/240 lbs. None of these LB's even have a full 8 lbs on Derron Lee who's 6'2/235. All finished top 20 in tackles. Behind our enormous defensive-line & alongside a gritty David Harris taking on blocks I'm pretty sure Todd Bowles can not wait to unleash this kids overall talents/athletic ability within different schemes come Lee's rookie season.
 

DonMaynard

5th Year Team Option
Jet Fanatics
With all due respect gents.... Due to his size (6'2/235 lbs) along with god-gifted like athletic abilities? I'm not one bit worried about his size being "too small" because if anything, he has the ability and overall making to cause havoc as a tackling machine for many of years to come. In todays game he's ideal for the LB position in terms of developing into a play-making star. For an example, just take a look at the players in which ranked top 20 in NFL tackles last year (and you'll see some explosive LB's). NaVorro Bowman led the NFL with 154 tackles at 6'0/242bs. D'Qwell Jackson ranked #2 in tackles with 150 at 6'0/242 lbs. Lavonte David ranked 3rd in NFL tackles with 147 at 6'1/233 lbs. Paul Posluszny ranked 5th in tackles with 133 at 6'2/240 lbs. Sean Lee ranked 6th with 128 tackles @ 6'2/238 lbs. Even Telvin Smith ranked 6th with 128 tackles at only 6'3/223 lbs. Malcolm Smith ranked ninth with 122 tackles at only 6'0/225 lbs. Lawrence Timmons ranked 12th with 119 tackles at only 6'1/234 lbs. Luke Kuechly ranked 13th with 118 tackles at 6'3/238 lbs. C.J Mosley ranked 14th with 117 tackles at 6'2/235. Derrick Johnson ranked 16th with 116 tackles at 6'3/242 lbs. Bobby Wagner ranked 19th with 114 tackles at 6'0/241 lbs & last but not least Jerrell Freeman rounded out the top 20 (20th) with 112 tackles at 6'0/240 lbs. None of these LB's even have a full 8 lbs on Derron Lee who's 6'2/235. All finished top 20 in tackles. Behind our enormous defensive-line & alongside a gritty David Harris taking on blocks I'm pretty sure Todd Bowles can not wait to unleash this kids overall talents/athletic ability within different schemes come Lee's rookie season.

Excellent post SOJ. Those are all perfect examples.Good job!
 
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flgreen

Guest
JMO

Darron Lee

At the end of the season TB said one of the prime objectives in the draft was to add speed to the LB'ers. They did. No Lee doesn't have prototypical ILB size, but he's going to used in a specific role in TB D, that might keep him on the field for all 3 downs when it is all said and done. B+

Christian Hackenberg

Don't like where this pick was made at all. Project, Boom or bust. If he was taken in the 4th, like Petty, would have been a much higher grade. C-. With that said, if he hits, the draft spot won't matter.

Jordan Jenkins

Versitile tough guy, who will have a bit a learning to do to get up to NFL speed, but I see this guy as a contributor right out of the box in filling Pace's roll. B+

Juston Burris
Has man to man skills, but not much speed. Probably get to play some this year in a multi back sets. If any injuries could get a larger roll. B

Lach Edwards

Also fills a need. Kids got a big leg, between him and Hackett, Jets probably will have a very good punter from one of them. B+



Bradon Shell

Never like trading future picks in a draft unless it's for a "special" player. Shell fills a need, and most likely will provide some back up. B

Charone Peake

Love this pick. Like Hackenberg a boom or bust guy. Difference is Peake is a 7th. Don't really understand why he was still on the board, but he could be an immediate contributor. A+
 

gastineau

Transition Tagged
Jet Fanatics
Hi GMF! I didn't care for Mac's Draft. until 3rd pick. 1st pick was based on speed & all high lights are of him sacking QB's when no blockers in front. He is too small to get by O-Linemen. Maybe Safety-MLB? 2nd Pick Hackenburg...great Freshman year & bad ever since. Cant handle Blitz-Pressure and throws a lot of INT's. Looks like Geno being inaccurate passer. Both thos issues is even worse in NFL where handling Blitzes -pressure & being accurate is most important. If Jets was Drafting a QB (I agree to draft until we get one) Draft a good one with less troubles. I rather had Paxton Lynch & if Jets are drafting a QB every year then draft the best available in first 2 rounds. GM Mikey Mac Draft wasn't good IMO & I expected him to be solid on Defense Drafting & awful at QB's drafting like he was in Texans. Both 2 picks were very high risk prospects that are boom or bust. I almost thought Idzik was back.
 
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flgreen

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Hi GMF! I didn't care for Mac's Draft. until 3rd pick. 1st pick was based on speed & all high lights are of him sacking QB's when no blockers in front. He is too small to get by O-Linemen. Maybe Safety-MLB? 2nd Pick Hackenburg...great Freshman year & bad ever since. Cant handle Blitz-Pressure and throws a lot of INT's. Looks like Geno being inaccurate passer. Both thos issues is even worse in NFL where handling Blitzes -pressure & being accurate is most important. If Jets was Drafting a QB (I agree to draft until we get one) Draft a good one with less troubles. I rather had Paxton Lynch & if Jets are drafting a QB every year then draft the best available in first 2 rounds. GM Mikey Mac Draft wasn't good IMO & I expected him to be solid on Defense Drafting & awful at QB's drafting like he was in Texans. Both 2 picks were very high risk prospects that are boom or bust. I almost thought Idzik was back.
WOW

Didn't know that the only film Macc and the scouts watched was high light film.
 

gastineau

Transition Tagged
Jet Fanatics
Hey flgreen! First, I wanted Mac hired as GM & Bowles as Coach & was excited when it happened. Mac was a scout & knows talent of Defense but as far as QB's....well not good in Houston. This is the first time I ever heard Mac reasoning for picks in Draft as speed 1st pick- strong arm 2nd pick. If Mac wants speed as a deciding factor draft a sprinter from Olympics like Raiders did. Also strong arm is just silly. Smith & HACKENBURG have the same stats in College. Cant handle pressure & inaccurate passing for INT's. Both those issues are bigger problems in NFL. Lee is to small against NFL O Linemen but could be a good Safety/MLB but will be learning a new position doing so. Lee puts on weight he will not be the speed that Jets reasoning for Drafting him. I'm very disappointed of high risk picks & felt there were better picks. I like Jets take QB's until getting it right, but take the best one in 1st round that doesn't have the same stats that Geno has with INTs.
 

Old#15

Old Wise Tale
Jet Fanatics
Not sure how important Wonderlic scores are regarding a players performance on the field, but I thought I would post this anyway from Cimini's column:

"Most of the current draft class posted above-average scores on the Wonderlic intelligence test (max grade: 50). In fact, Jordan Jenkins (33) and Darron Lee (31) were among the highest for linebackers. Cornerback Juston Burris (27) and punter Lachlan Edwards (30) also scored high for their respective positions. Quarterback Christian Hackenberg (24) and wide receiver Charone Peake (18) were average, and tackle Brandon Shell (17) was below average, based on their positions."
 
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Mainejet

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I believe is a big fat ZERO in regards to how the Jets will fare this season. It's clear Mac did NOT do his job if the Jets regress this season and they will. I can't see them, even with Fitz, winning any more than 6 games. Darron Lee is at best a niche player.
 

Old#15

Old Wise Tale
Jet Fanatics
What's the deal with unsigned #1 pick Lee? He is one of three first rounders unsigned at this point and has appointed his mother as agent. Perhaps the mother-agent's (ex-news person) inexperience is the problem?
 
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flgreen

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What's the deal with unsigned #1 pick Lee? He is one of three first rounders unsigned at this point and has appointed his mother as agent. Perhaps the mother-agent's (ex-news person) inexperience is the problem?

His mom isn't his "agent" in negotiating contracts with the NFL, she's his "business agent". She's in charge of any non-football contracts, like endorsements. Sanchez had a similar arrangement with his brother. With the way rookies are slotted, there really isn't a whole lot of wiggle room for agents to operate in.

IMO the hold up is the uncertainty of Fitz's contract. They are going to have to make roster moves, or more likely restructures, to accommodate both Fitz's and Lee's contract.

As yet they don't know what that is going to be, and don't have the money to pay him until the re-structures are made.
 

Old#15

Old Wise Tale
Jet Fanatics
His mom isn't his "agent" in negotiating contracts with the NFL, she's his "business agent". She's in charge of any non-football contracts, like endorsements. Sanchez had a similar arrangement with his brother. With the way rookies are slotted, there really isn't a whole lot of wiggle room for agents to operate in.

IMO the hold up is the uncertainty of Fitz's contract. They are going to have to make roster moves, or more likely restructures, to accommodate both Fitz's and Lee's contract.

As yet they don't know what that is going to be, and don't have the money to pay him until the re-structures are made.

Got it, thanks.
 
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