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agreed
well hopefully they will. i just found (and hopefully sack and 51 agree from our old days doing it on scout) that having separate threads on each pick the jets make allows you to discuss each player and not get lost in the clutter surrounding the draft. much easier (imo) to discuss each player individually and not have to sort through a really long thread (which this will ultimately become).
Ditto
Right now White is my odds on favorite to the Jets if they stay put at 6
Dupree is my bet if I'm looking for slightly better odds.
Look, I'd take either guy. Both would be huge upgrades for us and over anyone in this crummy draft class for sure. But give me the guy with the NFL brain, from an NFL system, that has been coached by NFL coaches since he was 17, with the NFL arm.
Can Cook be a stronger armed Pennington? Yes. I do think Cook can be that good. Will he? Im not so sure. Hackenberg can be a better version of Matt Ryan, IMO. Both are 6'4 220ish, big, pro style QBs.
...the kind we've been waiting to see in the draft for years...and they'll likely be in the same one.
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Speaking of odds
I like a 15-1 ML odds horse on Saturday named Frosted
A one run closer we with a good shot IMO to run down the two way over bet Baffart nags
I like a 15-1 ML odds horse on Saturday named Frosted
A one run closer we with a good shot IMO to run down the two way over bet Baffart nags
When considering QB prospects for the Jets, you always have to take conditions into account.
For example, I thought Matt Ryan was a terrific pick for Atlanta the year he came out, but I didn't love him for the Jets.
Why?
Atlanta plays 8 Games every year in a dome, and their four division road games are all in domes (Saints) and warm weather cities (Tampa and Carolina), so you don't necessarily need a strong arm to excel in that environment.
The Jets, OTOH, play their home games in arguably the most brutal conditions for a QB in the league when the weather turns chilly, because if you ask any QB, most will tell you they have no problem playing in snow or rain, what bothers them is wind, and the swirling winds at the Meadowlands when it gets cold is probably the worst in the league, or right up there, the old Shea Stadium might have been even worse, and its hard to throw in those conditions with any degree of effectiveness and accuracy if you can't really spin it (spiral) with velocity.
Make no mistake, thats partly what made Namath such a great fit with the Jets. That dude could zip it. I mean his passes would hum, and his deep ball had no loft, he threw frozen-ropes and those suckers looked like they were hydroplaning.
Thats the ideal QB for the Jets and in the AFC East, where only Miami offers a brief respite from brutal conditions. So IMO Ryan, who has an average NFL arm but not a cannon, was a better fit in Atlanta than with the Jets.
That said, if I'm rating the QB's for the Jets in next years draft, right now I see Hack & Jones battling for the top spot, the loser is #2 , then Cook comes in at #3 . Of course a lot can happen between now and next year, but that would be my early ranking for the Jets.
For example, I thought Matt Ryan was a terrific pick for Atlanta the year he came out, but I didn't love him for the Jets.
Why?
Atlanta plays 8 Games every year in a dome, and their four division road games are all in domes (Saints) and warm weather cities (Tampa and Carolina), so you don't necessarily need a strong arm to excel in that environment.
The Jets, OTOH, play their home games in arguably the most brutal conditions for a QB in the league when the weather turns chilly, because if you ask any QB, most will tell you they have no problem playing in snow or rain, what bothers them is wind, and the swirling winds at the Meadowlands when it gets cold is probably the worst in the league, or right up there, the old Shea Stadium might have been even worse, and its hard to throw in those conditions with any degree of effectiveness and accuracy if you can't really spin it (spiral) with velocity.
Make no mistake, thats partly what made Namath such a great fit with the Jets. That dude could zip it. I mean his passes would hum, and his deep ball had no loft, he threw frozen-ropes and those suckers looked like they were hydroplaning.
Thats the ideal QB for the Jets and in the AFC East, where only Miami offers a brief respite from brutal conditions. So IMO Ryan, who has an average NFL arm but not a cannon, was a better fit in Atlanta than with the Jets.
That said, if I'm rating the QB's for the Jets in next years draft, right now I see Hack & Jones battling for the top spot, the loser is #2 , then Cook comes in at #3 . Of course a lot can happen between now and next year, but that would be my early ranking for the Jets.
Needs more time to evaluate. id put an incomplete draft grade on him and very boom or bust at this point...plus he comes from Urban Meyer...not exactly known to develop pro style QBs.
I agree that he's raw, thats why I said "he has a chance" to make himself the #1 Pick, because his measurables and physical talent are jaw-dropping, but absolutely he has to show that he can A) win the starting job in Ohio State this year, and B) play at the same high level he played at last year.
But if he does those two things, mark my words, he's a TOP 3 lock in next years draft.
We can have a thread for each Jets pick. Each player gets only one thread, so posters need to make sure that someone didn't already start the thread. We don't want a half dozen threads started for each player.
Tony Pauline @TonyPauline · 3h3 hours agoTold Cowboys, Texans, Cardinals have been calling St Louis Rams trying to strike a deal for Michael Brockers. Dolphins also interested.
Tony Pauline @TonyPauline · 3h3 hours agoSeparate sources have confirmed Eric Kendricks/LB/UCLA in the mix as the Arizona Cardinals pick in round one.
If you don't like the kid because he needed to go to a small school, build his grades, then transfer to D1 to play football, fine. I won't hold that against the kid. As a JR, after the transfer, they started him the last 5 games...he had 35 catches and 5 TDs in those 5 games. The next season he had 100+ receptions.
From the moment he transferred, he was a stud. The fact he chose a different path to the pros than Cooper isn't something I'll hold against him. He's Larry Fitzgerald to Coopers Reggie Wayne. If you wants a smaller, slower, route runner, fine. I'd love the bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic, and also proven talent White...I can live with either, to be honest...I just won't knock a kid who needs more time to adjust to college before shining their star on D1 sports. But id like to point out, he was a stud the year before too...
JETS!!!!!
Louis Riddick @LRiddickESPN · 17h17 hours agoHilarious watching this Baylor pass offense. Has zero application to the #NFL.
Louis Riddick @LRiddickESPN · 17h17 hours agoProjecting B. Petty to the #NFL is not a real projection. It is a flat-out guess.
Louis Riddick @LRiddickESPN · 16h16 hours ago.@JeremySanders28 No comparison between how Mariota was asked to play the position and how Petty played the position.
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RG3 played in the same system at the same school and he was the #2 overall pick.
With Petty you are not drafting him based on the pinball machine stats he put up in that offense. That you can take with a grain of salt. You are drafting his physical attributes and the accuracy he's displayed for the most part. I agree that the system makes it exceedingly difficult to get a good read on Petty, he has a huge learning curve ahead of him, but he's a big kid and a real good thrower of the football, and that you can see regardless of the system.
With Petty you are not drafting him based on the pinball machine stats he put up in that offense. That you can take with a grain of salt. You are drafting his physical attributes and the accuracy he's displayed for the most part. I agree that the system makes it exceedingly difficult to get a good read on Petty, he has a huge learning curve ahead of him, but he's a big kid and a real good thrower of the football, and that you can see regardless of the system.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 1h1 hour agoHave heard from a number of teams impressed with Shane Ray's handling of the fallout of his marijuana citation. Should help him tonight.
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