No Players In Their Prime

[Namath12]

This year we are really seeing the ramifications of the failed drafts of John Idzik. On any good team, there will roughly a 1/3,1/3.1/3 mix of still-good veterans, players with 3-5 years experience who are reaching their peaks, and promising young players. We don't have anyone in that middle group due to terrible drafting. Coples is gone, Milliner is gone, etc. Even Wilkerson can no longer be viewed as a sure thing.Nor can Richardson, in my opinion. What exactly is his position? Please, let's not change this to a thread about the coaching. That's a separate issue.

If you look at the Jets roster, almost all of our best players are in their 30s, past their prime years. We are like a doughnut, with a hole in that all-important middle group. Our current GM has his work cut out for him.

 

[gmf1369]

Sheldon Richardson is a 4-3 defensive tackle, 3-4 defensive end...

But all this outside linebacker play is ridiculous seems like the Quinton Coples saga all over again...

As for the rest of the line the only reason they are not able to get a pass rush is because the lack of speed in the secondary... Because of the lack of vertical speed our press man coverage is more off man coverage which is opening us up to get beat short which is eliminating any pass rush from the d line to linebackers and even blitz packages...

Expect in rounds 1-3 to target this upcoming draft a CB that is fluid in man bump n run coverage...

 

[Namath12]

Sheldon Richardson is a 4-3 defensive tackle, 3-4 defensive end...

But all this outside linebacker play is ridiculous seems like the Quinton Coples saga all over again...

As for the rest of the line the only reason they are not able to get a pass rush is because the lack of speed in the secondary... Because of the lack of vertical speed our press man coverage is more off man coverage which is opening us up to get beat short which is eliminating any pass rush from the d line to linebackers and even blitz packages...

Expect in rounds 1-3 to target this upcoming draft a CB that is fluid in man bump n run coverage...

You're making my point. Based on where they were drafted, you'd think that Milliner and McDougle would be playing those roles. If they had panned out, one would be starting opposite Revis, and one would be ready to start next year if Revis switches to safety. And we never would have had to acquire Skrine, who appears to be nothing special.

 

[gmf1369]

You're making my point. Based on where they were drafted, you'd think that Milliner and McDougle would be playing those roles. If they had panned out, one would be starting opposite Revis, and one would be ready to start next year if Revis switches to safety. And we never would have had to acquire Skrine, who appears to be nothing special.

the point is Milliner who has all the ability is injury prone... same goes for McDougle...

Skrine a nickel is a need in a 3-4 in certain downs but he is less effective because he is more of a zone cover corner... He did impress in the Az game showing ability to jam at the line but he is a liability in this defensive scheme TB wants to run...

Now the silver lining the majority of these players GM Macc signed -- their majority of guarantees are gone after this year: Skrine, Gilchrist are expendable if Revis moves to safety and we find a pair of quality man bump n run cover corners (draft or free agency)...

 

[Namath12]

Would you agree with my basic premise that our best players should for the most part have been acquired in the 2011 and 2012 drafts?

 

[gmf1369]

Would you agree with my basic premise that our best players should for the most part have been acquired in the 2011 and 2012 drafts?

every draft is important but the 1st & 2nd round picks you have to do a better job as they are suppose to be your core for years...

usually nowadays 3rd round picks are the sleeper picks of players that climb from day three or fall out of the first two rounds and they are hit or miss...

day three picks round four on are developmental players that could suffice as depth but are considered not to be staple players for years...

but we have had the luxury of having poor drafts with hitting on some key guys that developed nicely from the latter part of their respective drafts like a Brian Winters ( who could leave in FA this year ), Bilal Powell ( a staple on offense, versatile ), Quincy Enunwa ( developed into a starter ), etc...

it all comes down to the scouts, combine, pro days and team needs on who they will target but each individual are different in nature when they come to this level you still can hit or miss with them...

 

[Old#15]

The Tannenbaum era is a big contributor to the problem as well. Furthermore, the barren drafts are not only a GM deficiency, but a HC deficiency as well. HCs have a lot of say in who gets picked and then they have to develop the players properly. The Jets did a horrendous job of adding and developing players in the six (6) years Ryan was HC. So when you lump the roster issues on John Idzik, you are only citing 1/3 of the problem.

 

[gmf1369]

62 of 110 players selected by the Jets have had somewhat of decent careers since 2000 draft...

of those 62 only 14 have extended a second contract with the Jets...

Until last season we had 4 from the '06 & '07 draft until Brick retired, leaving us with '06 Mangold, '07 Revis and '07 D. Harris...

'11 Mo & B. Powell successful careers... Jeremy Kerley was the best fair catcher for us now in Santa Clara becoming a receiver...
'12 Antonio Allen

'11 draft Jets took Kenrick Ellis in the 3rd literally 8 spots before Jordan Cameron -- grade Fail... I actually like K-Dog but really?
'11 2 7th round selections were throw away prospects Greg McElroy & Scotty McKnight, could of taken LB Malcolm Smith (Sea) & DB Jimmy Wilson (Mia)...

So its not only GMs and HCs but the scouting department not looking hard enough for gems... Then you have players endorsing prospects like Mark Sanchez begging the team to draft his friend Scotty McKnight, what a joke...

'12 Quinton Coples wasn't a bad pick because they ruined him moving him from DT to DE to OLB... He was successful when on the interior of the d line but that wasn't good enough for the almighty Rex Ryan... We passed up on taking players like Chandler Jones, Dont'e Hightower, DB Harrison Smith...

'12 Stephen Hill could of had Alshon Jeffrey, Lavonte David -- grade Fail...
'12 Demario Davis could of had T.Y. Hilton, Mohammad Sanu or Kirk Cousins...
'12 6th Round -- Josh Bush one spot before Danny Trevathan 2 other picks after that never panned out...

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@Namath12 so yes looking back our '11 & '12 drafts were the biggest fail that this team ever had... but it didn't end there...

 

[McJet]

62 of 110 players selected by the Jets have had somewhat of decent careers since 2000 draft...

of those 62 only 14 have extended a second contract with the Jets...

Until last season we had 4 from the '06 & '07 draft until Brick retired, leaving us with '06 Mangold, '07 Revis and '07 D. Harris...

'11 Mo & B. Powell successful careers... Jeremy Kerley was the best fair catcher for us now in Santa Clara becoming a receiver...
'12 Antonio Allen

'11 draft Jets took Kenrick Ellis in the 3rd literally 8 spots before Jordan Cameron -- grade Fail... I actually like K-Dog but really?
'11 2 7th round selections were throw away prospects Greg McElroy & Scotty McKnight, could of taken LB Malcolm Smith (Sea) & DB Jimmy Wilson (Mia)...

So its not only GMs and HCs but the scouting department not looking hard enough for gems... Then you have players endorsing prospects like Mark Sanchez begging the team to draft his friend Scotty McKnight, what a joke...

'12 Quinton Coples wasn't a bad pick because they ruined him moving him from DT to DE to OLB... He was successful when on the interior of the d line but that wasn't good enough for the almighty Rex Ryan... We passed up on taking players like Chandler Jones, Dont'e Hightower, DB Harrison Smith...

'12 Stephen Hill could of had Alshon Jeffrey, Lavonte David -- grade Fail...
'12 Demario Davis could of had T.Y. Hilton, Mohammad Sanu or Kirk Cousins...
'12 6th Round -- Josh Bush one spot before Danny Trevathan 2 other picks after that never panned out...

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@Namath12 so yes looking back our '11 & '12 drafts were the biggest fail that this team ever had... but it didn't end there...

:wtf::17:

 

[gastineau]

Jets have done awful over the years with Izdick doing the worse with the most picks of all Jets GM's. Even with 2 top first round picks, the besty he could muster in entire Draft was Richardson who is a major head case wanting mega bucks & then fall off into oblivion like Wilkerson. Mike Mac I thought being a scout would help! NOPE! This years first 2 picks are BUSTS at their positions! One for as a LB & speed because he is way to small at LBer & other is PRO READY QB who he is trying to hide because of BUST. I'm sick of it & Woody spending big money for these GM's & HC who are either lazy or draft DART Board OF NAMES! We needed a LBer NOW that can play!